Primarily Petroliana Shop Talk Forums Shop Talk Petroliana Forums Known & Suspected Unmarked Petro Reproductions Fake SOHIO Globes

Anyone heard of any FAKE SOHIO Globes being sold in Mich. in the last few years?

Dick,
Last thing i read was Ron Bettin was doing some research on this and do an article in PCM. I have not seen anything yet.
Only thing i know is to stay away from fresh caulked Sohio globes.

I've heard of a lot of fake globes coming out of Michigan. I've also specifically heard about the Sohios.

Wes

Are we able to tell these fakes from originals by the appearance of the back sides or are they done in a manner that would mimic the originals?

FYI - as I have been told.

Ron bought a grouping of SHOIO globes a year or so ago at auction from another collector that had purchased them earlier and never un-boxed/displayed them. Ron thought 'some' of them were suspect.

ALL were 'calked' in on BRAND NEW glass bodies.

Upon removal of the lenses from the bodies for inspection - a number of them were shown to be hand-painted fakes. No markings to indicate that they were not old and no mention to the 'first' purchaser that they were not original lenses on new bodies.

Now . . .IMO, there is no other reason that you would caulk a hand painted lens to a new body other than intentional "Fruad".

These were back-tracked to an operation in Michigan that does a lot of lens restoration.

You draw you own conclusions.

Later . . .

Jim

Aaaaahhhhh---Gotcha!

are the fake or restored? if restored for a customer who later sells them as original, who's to be blamed there?

it almost sounds like you're blaming the mechanic who repaired an old car that was later sold as barn fresh.

am I missing something or does someone have an personal axe to grind?

just asking.

So far I think everyone has gone out of their way to not make this personal. Lets hope this discussion remains civil.

I know some of the people that got burned on these globes.
They did some investigating and this is what I was told they found...
The first group to be discovered was pretty much as T-way said, although some may have only had one fake lens. Once those were discovered word got out and others were discovered. Of those that were discovered later I believe some globes had one original lens and one fake. I believe some were also on original bodies. ALL were caulked.
The first group and at least some of those discovered later were traced back through different collectors and dealers to one source.
That person openly admits to making globes so I don't see why there should be an issue with this topic.

As much as we (collectors of original globes) would like to see all repros marked, we know that's not going to happen. the best we can do is encourage other collectors to educate themselves about the unmarked repros.
Caulked in lenses aren't necessarily a bad thing. It's just something to check out before buying a globe.

I personally wouldn't buy caulked globes. Don't think i haven't thought about caulking a few so the lenses don't fall off the body and get broke but them i think other people like myself would like to see the back to see if it is real or not.

Morgan,
Restored lenses first came about was a great thing!!! 10% restored to touch up a little washing at the bottom and make them look nice was great. Than everyone found that 10% restored lenses were 100% restored. When that happened many decided not to buy them and the market for them went down hill fast. Restored lenses and unmarked lenses hurt the hobby. Why didn't we mark restored lenses at the bottom "restored"? Maybe the restored market wouldn't have went south? Who knows. Guys that have knowledge in globes can tell but new people don't know and decide to stay clear or them.


Maybe the article that is/was being written in PCM will come out soon and everyone that reads the magazine will know what was found. I do know the article will have facts and not hear say!

The answer is yes.

But if we dress it up like we have a genuine care and concern for the hobby maybe nobody will notice.

Two Sohio globes that fall into this category are the Sohio Marine and the Sohio Heat. The backside of the lens on both is a flat white in color and in no way ressembles what an original lens looks like. Both examples that I have seen were caulked to the body with a white silicone type caulk. They have been around for many years as I got a Sohio Marine about 10 years ago from a reputable dealer who was not aware that anyone was making these globes. I don't think they are restored but are entirely new. I also believe that the Sohio Premix Outboard fuel globe has been reproduced. I saw a photo with 3 of these very rare globes in it. What's the chance of that being real? Originals exist of these globes so don't give up on them. Just be very cautious if the lens is caulked in and you can't examine it thoroughly.

So I guess the 10 new ones I have in the box ....no one wants to buy 1.....lol

Let's remember that some globes were originally caulked in from the factory, however it's fairly easy to tell the difference.

The old orignal globes have a fery thin line, where these other globes have a thicker brighter caulk, (looks like caulk you would buy at Lowe's)

As for Morgan I don't know you, but there's no personal axe anyone is grinding.

When they "restore", PRODUCE, AND MAKE globes up there in Michigan no one should be shocked that they are called out on it.

...older globes used window glazing compound...it's very different from white silicone caulk...

Yes SOME used glazing putty. Some used caulk. Most didn't use anything.