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Posted By: Old Racer

Relidding cans? - Tue Oct 09 2012 10:09 AM

Anyone know if someone other than DB relids cans? I have customers ask me all the time from our web site and would like to be able to refer them to someone, but DB has me set to: NO PRIVATE MESSAGES This user is ignoring you. You cannot send them a message. confused
Just trying to help some people out.
I don't collect cans any longer, so the ARE NOT for me. If fact I am going to be selling my cans, little by little.
Started last week, here and on Ebay.
Posted By: huskybob

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Oct 09 2012 12:44 PM

Kevin Lyons (Tee Tee) does them and had a real nice thread on taking a flat can and putting a new top and bottom on it..... as I recall he even had the dies to put the viscosity on the new top.

http://oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showprofile&User=2153
Posted By: Old Racer

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Oct 09 2012 02:50 PM

Kevin has done some for me in the past. For some reason I thought he quit. I will contact him.
Thanks
Posted By: coopersplace

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Oct 09 2012 03:58 PM

I also relid quarts, both US and Imperial, Canadian litres, US gallons and the early tall Canadian gallons, same size as the US 5-quart tins. My customers are from Canada but if someone from the US wants to pay for shipping both ways I will consider it if they want more than half-a-dozen done at a time. Cheers, Don.
Posted By: GasCan

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Oct 09 2012 04:41 PM

Thumbs up for Don (Coopersplace) who does a really nice job on the re-lids. One of the nicest guys you'll meet in this hobby too! smile
Posted By: huskybob

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Oct 10 2012 01:12 AM

Here's the link from 3 years ago when Tee Tee showed his process.
Thought some of the newer members might like to see it.

The Jarvis Hoosier Pete can...from "Flat to Phat"
http://oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=25390&Number=154702#Post154702
Posted By: Old Racer

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Oct 10 2012 01:40 AM

That that is great. Thanks Bob and Kevin.
Posted By: junior25

Re: Relidding cans? - Mon Nov 05 2012 05:45 PM

I seen this old thread and was curious.Can you relid a can and put motor oil in it again Don?
Posted By: pumpingethyl

Re: Relidding cans? - Mon Nov 05 2012 07:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Old Racer
Anyone know if someone other than DB relids cans? I have customers ask me all the time from our web site and would like to be able to refer them to someone, but DB has me set to: NO PRIVATE MESSAGES This user is ignoring you. You cannot send them a message. confused
Don't take it personally. Dick has his PM's shut off for everyone. If you click on his profile you can email him directly. Db does a GREAT job!
Posted By: Oldgas

Re: Relidding cans? - Mon Nov 05 2012 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: junior25
I seen this old thread and was curious.Can you relid a can and put motor oil in it again Don?


I understand some guys who relid cans can put oil in them before sealing. It complicates the process and the shipping, so expect to pay for it.
Posted By: junior25

Re: Relidding cans? - Mon Nov 05 2012 08:36 PM

Thanks for the info Jim.
Posted By: coopersplace

Re: Relidding cans? - Mon Nov 05 2012 09:09 PM

It probably can be done, but the way I attach the lid is just a single crimp. The originals were a double crimp and usually with a sealant applied on the edges to stop any leakage. One would have to unflatten the lip of the can which gets pressed down into the the lip of the lid to get a closed seal when it was originally lidded. If you have seen any quarts that have never been lidded you will notice that right angle lip at the top. I wouldn't want to get into handling oil to refill a can. It is bad enough draining full ones. I drain mine because of fire regulations, maximum of 5 gallons I believe are allowed in residences, plus a lot of sealed quarts start to leak on their own over the years. Also seen the results of a number of full quarts that have fallen from an upper shelf. Not a pretty sight! Cheers, Don.

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Posted By: junior25

Re: Relidding cans? - Mon Nov 05 2012 09:25 PM

Very informative...Thanks Don.
Posted By: Dick Bennett

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Nov 06 2012 12:44 AM

Originally Posted By: junior25
I seen this old thread and was curious.Can you relid a can and put motor oil in it again Don?

Most cans needing new lids attached have had the originals removed w/ a Can Opener & that leaves Tell Tale marks. Re-Filling these cans is NOT Recommended [BUT CAN BE DONE & I will only refill IF I remove the oil before removing a Dent in a full can. Using oil that was not removed from can is Fraud [replacing Mobil Oil w/ Pennzoil in a Mobil Can].
I Reseal new lids on like they were done originally [Rolled sealed just as Food cans are still done today].
Below is all the different Round cans I do & a quick drawing of how a sealed lid is attached.

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Posted By: junior25

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Nov 06 2012 01:09 AM

That is some great info Dick and the process seems quite complicated.Sounds like artwork.I just wonder that others doing this relidding are as honest as you and Don.What made me think of this thread was a person today trying to sell me a full Red Indian oil can with a hefty price tag because it was still full.This made me wonder if this could be done and how would i ever know the difference.
Posted By: coopersplace

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Nov 06 2012 02:42 PM

Daryl, if you were able compare the lid of the one for sale with another Red Indian quart you could see if they were similar or if there are any differences. The older cans usually had a single or double raised ring whereas the newer lids usually had more of a flatter style ring, though some didn't have any ring. You could also check to see that both lids on the quart are of a similar style. A different style on one end 'might' be a clue that the can has been re-lidded. I myself do not differentiate prices for cans whether they are full or empty. I buy and sell and collect cans, not the oil inside them. Great diagram Dick. Cheers, Don.
Posted By: GasCan

Re: Relidding cans? - Tue Nov 06 2012 11:47 PM

Great post Dick, and thanks for the drawing. Helped me to see how they are done and gives many of us a better understanding of the process. Daryl, although I like finding original cans with the contents intact, I too place little value on full ones.

I have a half dozen or so full ones and 2 of them are leakers that seep fluid now and then. They're now down on the bottom shelves in case they ever let go. I guess the trick in the great white north is not to heat the garage in the winter so the oil thickens and they stop leaking. lol
Posted By: Dick Bennett

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Nov 07 2012 12:39 AM

Anyone old enough to remember buying a full 24 can case will also remember that very seldom did you ever get a case that WASN'T oil soaked.

Gascan, Do you place the leaking full cans in Frig for the Summer?
Posted By: GasCan

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Nov 07 2012 03:29 AM

Nope...freezer only, but the Mobil 1 can is a bugger as that stuff never thickens?
Posted By: Dick Bennett

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Nov 07 2012 03:38 AM

Synthetic Oil, made for use in Polar/Tropical Regions!
Posted By: junior25

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Nov 07 2012 10:58 AM

Great stuff guys..Thanks for the info.Just checked my full Harley can that has been around for years.Heading after i type this to stuff it in the Christmas turkey in the freezer! Might end up with the best moist turkey ever...or the slippery scoots..lol.
Posted By: GasCan

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Nov 07 2012 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
Synthetic Oil, made for use in Polar/Tropical Regions!


My uncle owned a bulk Esso agency in Winnipeg back in the 70's and I worked weekends for him around the plant from the ages of 8 to 12. In the early 70's Esso released that oil and the stuff was unreal. Put it this way...if you didn't plug the block heater in at night, your vehicle simply wasn't going to start in the morning in the thick of winter because the oil would thicken so much that the engine wouldn't want to turn over.

When he poured that Mobil 1 into the 454 in his 75 Chevy crew cab, all he'd do is turn the key in -35 to -40 temps and that thing would fire right up. Never plugged his truck in again. It has its good points. lol
Posted By: Dave's Garage

Re: Relidding cans? - Wed Nov 07 2012 04:31 PM

Graeme, I grew up in Winnipeg. Early 70's to late 80's. We were in Winnipeg, at the same time. I lived in the north end, my uncle owned a Shell gas station.

When it gets to -40 (-60 with the wind chill) oil can only help so much. If vehicles not plugged in it's not going to start. Cylinders frost up and the air is so cold & dense the gasoline won't atomize. Been there, done that. Interior warmers were also a must. The vinyl car seats and interior door handles would freeze rock solid and when you sat on the seat all you would hear is the vinyl shattering or you'd close the door and the interior door handle would snap off because it was frozen rock hard.

Some things you never forget and never miss...the west coast is great.
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