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Posted By: Lance-W Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Thu Mar 12 2015 04:37 PM
Hello,
I'm a long time lurker and first time poster. I bought my first visible pump and thought I'd give everybody a look and ask a few questions of all the experts here. I've restored lot's of stuff over the year but never a gas pump. So I have skills just not experience on the pumps.

So a few pictures:













The only thing I've done so far is clean the crud off the inside of the glass.



I have a couple of questions already though:
Does any one recognize any kind of color scheme that might lead to figuring out what brand it was during it's life?

Does anyone know where I can get repop numbers/markers? They're the sheet aluminum anodized/etched style. I've found cast ones but not ones like these. I'll have to get a better picture of the style.

Is there a specific nozzle that I should look for to go with this pump that would be era correct or brand correct?

The locks on both the access door are destroyed. Is there somewhere folks here have found replacements for the locks?

Thank you to anyone that responds and I'll keep posting pictures as I make progress.

Lance
Posted By: Done4 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Thu Mar 12 2015 05:06 PM
I've restored many pumps over the years and the shine has become old to me and now I'm cleaning them and lightly blocking them 600 then sealing with clear satin. But if you want to restore it, you'll have fun and be careful, one leads to another. Again that pump would be a great candidate to clean and seal in my opinion.

It appears to have started blue - west coast maybe Richfield - red lots of others.
Try gaspumpheaven,com on line. As for the nozzle I'm sure others will pipe in on that. You may have to fabricate your access doors but I'm not sure what they look like. Additional pics may help.
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Thu Mar 12 2015 05:30 PM
Thanks for the response.
I have the long skinny access door but someone broke the hinges on it to get it off so I'll either have to fix the hinges or re-create them.

When I sand blasted the access door it seemed like it had a white primer then a layer of teal or light blue and then all those other colors that are peeling off. Maybe when I blast the big panels a logo will show up buried under all those colors. One can hope.
Posted By: Done4 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Thu Mar 12 2015 06:36 PM
Not sure on the teal. Someone here will give you better info.
Posted By: bowtiefan Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Thu Mar 12 2015 11:06 PM
I picked up my second pump in Nov. and it's just like yours only it's stamped 89B. From what I've learned here, the BD pumps were made in So. Cal, and primarily a west coast pump. BD was bought out by Wayne in 1928, so your pump, and mine, date from not long after that. As mentioned, check out Gas Pump Heaven. They have several parts including the square door and gallon markers.
Have fun
Ken
Posted By: MATT ALVAREZ Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 02:55 AM
The pale green looks like Wilshire. Wilshire went from green to blue so that may explain the blue. Also the rusted pricer looks like it may have been a Wilshire piece as well. The ones I have seen are painted with no embossed lettering.
Posted By: jlinds11 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 04:09 AM
That camaro is a beaut!
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 01:10 PM
The pictures of the markers. As the picture shows 19 out of the twenty are beyond saving. I've found other styles out there for sale but does anyone know where I can get a set like this? Even a used set in good condition? Is there somewhere that's like a junkyard for pumps that might have something like this?



Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 01:15 PM
Originally Posted By: MATT ALVAREZ
The pale green looks like Wilshire. Wilshire went from green to blue so that may explain the blue. Also the rusted pricer looks like it may have been a Wilshire piece as well. The ones I have seen are painted with no embossed lettering.


Could you expand on "Wilshire"? I googled Wilshire oil and Wilshire visible pump, etc... and all I found was gas stations on Wilshire blvd. Mostly black and white pictures.

The pricer has little tabs for paper or cardboard numbers. If you look close you can see the 6/10's paper still on there. No embossed features or numbers. I should take a picture with out the leaded plaque on it.
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 04:11 PM
So the search for the brand is on this morning. I spent about 2 hours carefully scraping layers and layers of old paint off before I blow it all off with the sandblaster. This where I was at after scraping.











Then I got it wet. What a difference. Things just popped out.

In this one it looks like there's two logos on top of each other. Kinda looks like a MOHAWK logo (that you see a few pictures down) and something that says ?VEU? in dark blue at the top under it and on a little curved banner on the bottom ?SUPER?___?




Then something on the top of that side that you really can't make out.


The bottom of the other skin clearly says MOHAWK





Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 04:12 PM
Hmm for some reason the last picture wouldn't show. There must be a limit....

Then on top by the plaque there something else that is maybe some kind of ETHYL logo?
Posted By: tbert1 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 06:08 PM
I would put it back together, clear coat it and leave it like it is. It would look cool just like that.
Posted By: MATT ALVAREZ Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 13 2015 10:53 PM
Looks like Mohawk Ethyl

Posted By: bsplichal95 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 14 2015 01:54 AM
It is always your choice to do as you choose since it is your pump, BUT I would seriously consider putting it back together as is and leave it. All those layers of paint are just SO cool!
Posted By: Jack Sim Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 14 2015 05:34 AM
As a contributor to OG for over 25 years I am always amazied at the first time collectors wanting to restore their first pump back to the original company that first supplied the gas that first came out of the nozzle. While I don't have a problem with this, consider pumps were treated just like used cars, they passed down thru the service station business. When the large oil companies purchased new pumps they traded in the old ones, the used pump business was a very large business. Restore your pump to whatever company you want to, but I will say that most B-D pumps carried Calif. oil companies colors.

B-D pumps were probably in more movies than any other company's pumps, why, they were made in L.A., and more B-D pumps were sold in Calif, and most movies made in the 1930s were made in Calif.

Now your pump, it is pictured on page 112 of my Gas Pump ID book and some literature is available.

Jack Sim
Posted By: Paul Bell Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 14 2015 12:31 PM
Lance, I agree with Jack about do the pump to whatever brand you like, but I'm sure Mohawk ethyl would be cool (good catch Matt). When I'm restoring a pump and I want to have an original paint scheme or something close, I like to leaf through the PCM guide to gas pump restoration. Has image standards for pumps by brand in there. I glanced in there but didn't see Mohawk but I might have missed it.

Locks usually can find at a hardware store with decent collection. Other sources of parts potentially Pergyl, Gas pump heaven, vics66, Ron scobie enterprises, many others.

Cool Camaro by the way!
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 14 2015 01:46 PM
Originally Posted By: bsplichal95
It is always your choice to do as you choose since it is your pump, BUT I would seriously consider putting it back together as is and leave it. All those layers of paint are just SO cool!


You're not the first one in this thread that has suggested that smile . I somewhat agree about the layers of paint and the "cool" factor but what you can't see in the pictures is that the paint in in horrible shape. Touch it and it falls off in giant flakes. I don't think if I dipped it in a giant vat of the modern Urethane (think thick as honey) that it would keep it from falling off. So this one is gonna get stripped and re-born. Maybe the next one wink Did I actually admit to that...........
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 14 2015 01:54 PM
Originally Posted By: Jack Sim
As a contributor to OG for over 25 years I am always amazed at the first time collectors wanting to restore their first pump back to the original company that first supplied the gas that first came out of the nozzle. While I don't have a problem with this, consider pumps were treated just like used cars, they passed down thru the service station business. When the large oil companies purchased new pumps they traded in the old ones, the used pump business was a very large business. Restore your pump to whatever company you want to, but I will say that most B-D pumps carried Calif. oil companies colors.

B-D pumps were probably in more movies than any other company's pumps, why, they were made in L.A., and more B-D pumps were sold in Calif, and most movies made in the 1930s were made in Calif.

Now your pump, it is pictured on page 112 of my Gas Pump ID book and some literature is available.

Jack Sim


I've actually had some thoughts along the same lines you mention. When I first got the pump standing around talking about it with people we discussed what brand it was going to be and my thoughts were along the lines of "I want to do something that not in business anymore, something era correct, and something with a cool logo, something along the lines of Gulf which is at this point only a memory of my childhood". So I went to the restoration sites and started looking to see what was available as far as graphics. I was very interested in Richfield High Octane. The Eagle appealed to me. Then yesterday I got inquisitive and decided I would look closer at the skins and see what I could find. Well I found Mohawk Ethyl which pretty much fit the requirements. So Mohawk Ethyl I think it will be.

Your Book? I'm unfamiliar with your book. Can I buy a copy on Amazon or somewhere? What is the correct title so I can google it? Is the picture in it on page 112 in color? I could definitely use a reference for the paint pattern and the colors.

Thanks, Lance
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 14 2015 01:55 PM
Originally Posted By: MATT ALVAREZ
Looks like Mohawk Ethyl



AWESOME catch. THANK YOU!
Posted By: Jack Sim Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sun Mar 15 2015 12:49 AM
My book is titled: Gas Pump Identification book and Value Guide. Actually I have written the 1st & 2nd Editions and am presently finishing up the 3rd Edition. Both 1 & 2 are out of print and out of stock. Once in a while one will show up on Ebay or Amazon with the asking price of $125.00+ (original price was $34.95).
First edition identified about 1000 pumps, 2nd about 1400. The 3rd edition will ID about 2100. My hope the 3rd Ed. will be ready in late spring or early summer.
In the meantime a E-book of the 2nd Edition can be purchase on Amazon for about $20.00. One major thing about the E-book, the caption for every pump is always below the picture, so if you are looking at a pump and the caption is above the pump, this caption is for the previous pump.

Send me your Email address and I will add your name to the list of people who want a copy of the book.

I never posted a picture of the 89 on my website but if you want to see pictures of other B-D pumps go to: http://petrolianacollectibles.com/boyle-dayton.htm

Not many of those B-D pumps around so you are starting on a nice one, gook luck.

Jack Sim
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Fri Mar 27 2015 11:52 PM
A few pictures of the progress so far.

The pump. The upper cylinder cleaned up awesome the bottom one have a rotten ring in the middle of the stroke. Nothing a little action with the cylinder hone didn't improve but it's far from 100 percent. The socket for the pump handle was busted so I fixed it the best way I could think of... Anybody know where to buy the correct pump handle for this? All I can find are the ones that go in the other direction relative to the pump axis. I know that's a bad way to describe it but I can't think of another at the moment.









The gallon meter came out amazing. The porcelain face cleaned up with only a little WD-40 on a rag.












And then there's this. What to do about this. It's really tempting to recreate the "hook" part on the old one and not loose the ornateness(is that a word) that the new re-pop one doesn't reflect.

Posted By: Dave's Garage Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Sat Mar 28 2015 02:17 AM
You could take the reproduction door and put it on the original access door frame. Cut the piece out of the repro aluminum frame and use an automotive body panel adhesive to bond the new piece to the original cast iron. They are gluing body panels on cars and the glued seam is suppose to be stronger than the surrounding metal.
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Apr 22 2015 10:49 PM
I have a little progress to share.

I started doing the bodywork on the skins which in my opinion is the worst part of any project (the bodywork/sanding phase). But the sanding is over and it's ready for paint. Now to just wait for a nice sunny 75 degree day..........

Where it started. I pounded out the dents and scabbed a piece on the bottom to replace the rusted out part.
















And I started putting together the rest of it. I made a oak base for it to keep it off the floor I wet mop all the time (think rust on the floor).

Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 02:50 AM
Well it's done.

One of the bigger hurdles was recreating the door that the nozzle hangs one. I posted this picture earlier showing the difference between the original and the repop door. I decided to fix the the original.






















and the picture of the access door






I decided to use the existing corroded locks and just remove the tumbler and made a new key that only activated the mechanism.


Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 02:51 AM
This part came out great.












Posted By: Oilcanman87 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 03:14 AM
Nice pump. That's some fantastic welding
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 03:47 AM
Originally Posted By Oilcanman87
Nice pump. That's some fantastic welding


Thanks. Welding the cast iron was kinda weird but not that hard. I don't know if I trust my life to the weld but for this it was fine.
Posted By: Gasman84470 Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 03:49 AM
Nice work and a great look.
Posted By: Dave's Garage Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 05:02 AM
Looks good. Impressive repair on the access door.
Posted By: JimT Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 08:24 AM
Impressive fabricating on the repair. You did a beautiful job.
Posted By: 1PetroFan Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 11:49 AM
Wow, seeing what you have done is what seperates the men from the boys. Nice work! Brady
Posted By: Craig Osbeck Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 12:41 PM
Outstanding repairs done, Many of us would have just bought new skins and saved the time. It all came together nicely and the paint scheme looks great. Now on to the next one.
Posted By: Lance-W Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 12:56 PM
Originally Posted By Craig Osbeck
Outstanding repairs done, Many of us would have just bought new skins and saved the time. It all came together nicely and the paint scheme looks great. Now on to the next one.


Trust me I HATE doing bodywork or at least the sanding part. I thought about "Why didn't I just buy new skins" while I was fixing these. I guess I enjoy the fact that they're the original parts. Kinda like the access door I fixed instead of replacing. Just a personal thing for me smile
Posted By: SKomatinsky Re: Wayne 89A questions for a restoration - Wed Jul 08 2015 03:16 PM
That is really sharp. Love it. Great fabrication
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