Who knows of any 30" red Indian signs ?

SERIOUSLY DAVE,,,, rarer than Hen's Teeth..

Come on out , with it where are they

that's like looking for a needle in a hay stack...

I found that needle in the hay stack but unfortunately my needle must have gone through the hay baler when they built the stack..Lol

I think the 30's may be harder than the 24s .

They are out there! I know of three of them.

Earl

Here's another one.

yep just have to get 0ne

have you seen a 30 inch dave??? most i have seen are 36 inch...
and are in the condition of the 2 above....all touched up or clear coated w/ restoration...

this sign isn't 30'' but its for sale

is one logo'd Red Indian sign more sought & rarer than the other?...

McColl Frontenac Products

Gasoline Motor Oils

I have a 30". If, I remember correctly, Randy the Gasoline Motor Oils is newer and Mc Coll Frontenac Products are older signs.

Here's mine. Good shine but chipped up. My little helper and the sign are both keepers.

Dave or anyone else don't the different chiefs influence value as well? The above pictures show two different busts.

Fred, never knew there were 2 different chiefs as the
gasoline motor oils above has white in the eyes,
my gasoline motor oils is like the other examples...

I can't believe the details you guys notice. I only have two Red Indian signs the 30" and a 60". My 60" has the white eyes as shown below. I just don't run into Red Indian around here...tough signs to find in any condition.

Dave,
which chief is earlier, white eye or black eye,
or is the diffence a different sign maker?-
must be nice too have both, now I need a white eye..

Randy, I don't know. I'm learning as this thread is progressing. We'll have to wait for one of the more experienced collector's to share that knowledge.

well from this thread you should know where all the Red Indian signs are...

Black eye Indian has feathers over his braids.
White eye Indian has no feathers.

Is black eye Indian a higher ranking member of the tribe?

I find this thread ironic considering it's nearly Columbus Day. White eye and black eye Indian probably won't be celebrating the holiday.

Mine...

Loving the Shell smalls in the display pump.. Wow!

Red Indian motor oil sign &
globe appear too be black eye-
3 sets of Red Indian playing cards,
top deck- white eye
bottom 2- black eye
service pin- can't tell...

Black eye looks more confident, aggressive, and younger. Has a real pointed face and long nose.

White eye looks older and kinda sad. His face is flattened out like an old retired boxer. The white eyes make him look way less aggressive.

From my research of pictures and conversations with Dave (Redindianguy) here is the order for their signs using #1 as the oldest. BTW, Dave does have an AMAZING collection and is definitely well educated and the go to guy on Red Indian info.

1.Gasoline/Motor Oils. White eye with black reliefs in head dress
2.Gasoline/Motor Oils. Black eye with white reliefs in head dress
3.McColl-Frontenac Products.

As far as which is the most difficult to find. It's all scarce, but the first 5' sign versions seem more plentiful compared to anything else. The early signage (teens-20's) is definitely hard to find and the Indian head uses a very primitive design compared to the others.

good info...

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www.google.com/search?q=red+indian+oil+signage&client=firefox&hs=Rg4&rls=com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk82cqZDHZM

great posts guys the white eye is earlier . Seen a few 30's but almost always rough . best I have seen is probably an 8 .

I like the older head stuff myself . But cond seems to drive price the most regardless of head . The smaller signs all have the later head as I am pretty sure they were all made in the later 30's to the later to mid 40's . Some are marked 1946 . I try to base everything on pictures and the cars in those pics to date stuff . Unless we have someone who was there , that's all we have left . So many of the stories are lost when these things get sold . Its unfortunate to me that so much of the history is lost . If only the signs could talk .

amazing place ray , amazing

There's a really good discussion on Red Indian items over on the other site. Prices may not be accurate but there is some really good info on the history of Red Indian Oil and most of the items they produced. I learned a lot from reading that thread.

http://cheesepitstop.com/viewtopic.php?t=12808

XLNT info.- worth a peek...

Yep read it but as with anyone the prices are an opinion . Try and find any good quality Red Indian stuff for sale . Very difficult . Unless its from India .

The last 3 ' in good shape sold for 15,500 plus taxes and premiums. When was the last time an aviation 26 x 72 sold ??? The 26 x 72 red and black which is more common has been extremely strong with condition . The flange signs . there are so few flange signs I would say they are more in the 10 plus range with cond . That aviation and red and black rack sign there are 3 known. So I would put a high value on that sign . etc etc . But there is some great history there, well done .Like any of this stuff , its old , so its worth what anyone is willing to pay .

oil king amazing page you posted

OK so this is timing! Ask and you shall see-a 30" RI DSP for sale. Apparently a little banged up and perforated but said to be 30".
http://www.mcsherryauction.com/sales/14VintageServiceNov8.html

sign of subject...

Looking at the mounting holes and listed as double sided, it appears to be a 36" sign

Bang on Junior. It looks like a 36"

I don't believe the 24" or 30" was ever produced in a DSP?

Earl

my 24" is double sided

Good to know Wes. I have seen pictures of the left and right small signs advertising McColl Frontenac but nothing double sided or nothing with motor oils advertised on them. Would you have a picture of your sign and is it dated or stamped?

Earl

Also Wes

Is it for sale?

Earl

it has P&M Orillia on it,, sold it a few years back

Fantastic condition on that sign. I'd like one like that.

It had a very slight crease in the middle and a touchup on the face, but it was nice , condition, 7-7.5

Just back on. I'll email the auctioneer and ask for a measurement.
It did look a little larger but not much to scale the sign against.

The 24 's when you see them in pics on mostly on truck doors and the 30's are mostly on the bank of small tanker trucks . I am assuming that is the reason they were all that I have seen single sided . But now we are finding out there are some double sided . RARE

Went and visited a collection today and asked about the owners 24" sign that he has. His is also double sided but again it's the McColl Frontenac sign. I'm thinking the McColl sign is the only version that came in 24 inch as I have now seen at least a half dozen examples and none of them advertise motor oils or gasoline, only products. I'd like to find one that is for sale.

How much does a 30" McColl-Frontenac Products Sign fetch these days anyway?