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#644574 Fri Jan 22 2016 04:03 PM
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Can someone please give me an explanation as to what is the difference between a "survivor" and a "unrestored" pump?

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I think I sense a bit of sarcasm, but I'll give my opinion.

To me, "Survivor" hints towards some degree of condition. Meaning there is enough still there that it could almost go back into service just as it sits.

"Unrestored" Could and would included the above, but would of course include any pump this side of the dump.


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Well said Steve!!!

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Survivor didn't get scarped during the war time metal drives.

Unrestored is just that.

1 can be both if its before mid forties.


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Steve got it EXACTLY correct!


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Steve thats perfection! Haha. Great response.


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So in keeping with Steve's explanation. A advertisement of a great survivor with internal pump removed is incorrect. Correct?


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You're a survivor Jack and if you've had any knee or hip replacements then you've been partially restored ! 😁



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Steve, you are correct about the sarcasm.

From what is said above a survivor can be a unrestored, but a unrestored might not be a survivor. Is there a particular line that devides the two?

(Things here on old gas have been so bland lately I had to come up with something to dicuss).

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Originally Posted By Jack Sim

(Things here on old gas have been so bland lately I had to come up with something to dicuss).
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I agree!! Heck it's winter, I thought people would be inside more talking on Oldgas but it has seemed slow around here lately. So it's 3:58am, what else have I to do? I'll put in another 2 cents on this one.

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From what is said above a survivor can be a unrestored,
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Not really, a survivor MUST be unrestored!

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Is there a particular line that devides the two?
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Presentation? Which of course falls subject to opinion.

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I'll throw my two cents in on this.

A survivor has been used but not abused and thus 'survived' the common damage and use/misuse/modification most pumps would have seen over the years. A survivor retains a high degree of originality of condition so that it stands out from other pumps from the same era which have gone through multiple modifications, changes, misuse, coats of paint, rebranding, sunbaking, etc.

An unrestored pump is a pump which hasn't been restored to a condition as good or better than original. Paint, metal condition, parts, etc are often highly rusted/damaged or missing compared to a survivor.

Some will consider the terms interchangeable, but in my mind they are separate because a survivor retains the edge of originality. So while all survivor pumps could be called unrestored, not all unrestored pumps could be called survivors.

I would not expect the pumping mechanism to still draw fuel mainly due to seals being dried out, but it would need to be present. And I would expect a calculator mechanism to at least reset.

To give you an example in the car world... An unrestored 1957 FI Bel Air which has all OEM equipment intact and actually starts with a little tweaking of fuel/timing is a survivor. An unrestored 1957 FI Bel Air which runs and drives but has a later installed engine would not be a survivor.

The term survivor takes on a deeper meaning once you talk about scarce old things. Anything that overcame the obstacle of time and circumstance to a high degree then becomes a survivor and condition becomes secondary. I have a 1930s toy wind up ocean liner that survived time and a hurricane that I consider a survivor even though it has lost 40% of it's paint. In cases like that condition is trumped by the story.




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OK, I'll play. These two pumps are the way I found them, the Tokheim is porcelain and the Wayne has a new hose and I put on an old pricer box on it.

So when someone asks are these original, as found or a survivor what should I say?

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I would say original, as found.

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From the internet so it must be true, please see below:

"unrestored"

not restored or returned to a previous state or position
not restored to health

"survivor"

Survivor is an American rock band formed in Chicago in 1978 by Jim Peterik. The band achieved its greatest success in the 1980s, garnering many charting singles, especially in the United States. The band is best known for its double platinum-certified 1982 hit "Eye of the Tiger,"

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done4 I would call those two great looking pumps.

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