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Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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And in a lot of cases, even paying attention won't always win the day for you.
On the service I would have thought for sure this was a legit globe. (1st & 2nd picture)
And no white haze on backside of lens. (something I'm still learning about)

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But if you look closely and compare it to the picture from the globe CD (3rd picture), I guess it's not. Count the number of little prongs on the crown. And the shape of the opening for your head in the crown.

Any thoughts??

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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Hmmmm....?? Another clue just hit me, the inside of the frame is not painted!!
Is that a legitimate issue on original frames? Was the inside always painted??


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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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compare the "O" in gasoline
there is definitely a difference
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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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I don't know....I think the globe is made up of original lenses in a repro body. I don't remember ever seeing known repros of this lens design. The back of the lenses look correct, as well as some slight honest wear showing in the lower red band area in one of the head on photos. Another thing we must keep in mind is there is always the possibility of multiple lens manufacturers, so differences are possible in originals.

I will say there are repro 15" lenses that I was told were made in Canada in the 1980's that do have the "original like" fritty, sandy feeling backs. Very well done in the original process, unlike the the white backs we see today. I have a repro 15" Texaco lens by this manufacturer.
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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Um... quick clue... "Made in USA" on the lens... not legit as far as I'm aware on supposed 15" early globes. I started noticing these a while back. Most of the time original markings are not seen or are 'Reg' marks or the like vs Made in USA.

I wouldn't expect 'Made in the USA' to particularly be on any vintage globe glass in the visible era. When it was used back then it was on products like knives, razors, etc. Typically this marking is on such 'consumer' items. It didn't become more widespread until the 1960s with the influx of cheap Japanese merchandise. Remember we use to call all that stuff 'Japanese junk' and would look for made in the USA. Then later it became a whole labeling campaign promoted by the federal government.

As far as the metal surround, the reproductions tend to have a slightly more silver/whiteness to the metal sheen due to more zinc in the metals being reprocessed by China and the like. The older NOS tend to look more like gunmetal grey overall in my experience, slightly duller on visual inspection.


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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Yea, I'm not a globe guy for sure but the "made in USA.to me would have been a dead give a way.

Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Originally Posted By carolinaskies
I started noticing these a while back.


On this globe design in particular or others as well?
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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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I snapped a pic when I was home at lunch of one of my Mobilgas globes, definitely original, with the Made In U.S.A. marking. I'm just posting so others can see an original globe with these markings.
I'm here to learn like everyone else, not to try and dispute other opinions, so the more talk on the globe in question the better.
Hopefully some globe experts can chime in for an opinion. We're all ears!!
Darin

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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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I forgot to mention I have only seen a couple of these USA marked Mobilgas lenses over the years.
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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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This is opening a whole new can of worms for me. My Sunoco DynaFuel lenses have the Made in USA on them. Dynafuel was only a Sunoco product in the 40's and into the early 50's I believe. I can check more once when home. But I sure would hate to find out they are fake!!!


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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Originally Posted By DWSheffer
I forgot to mention I have only seen a couple of these USA marked Mobilgas lenses over the years.
Darin


this mobil diesel pump plate has the same markings .. ... cool

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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Paul has some interesting comments regarding "made in USA", something I'll be leery of from here on out.

I only have a few globes so I'm no expert, but a quick look through the globe gallery here, and I don't see any globes with that marking. There's a lot of photos so it would take a while to go through them all. Some of the photos it's tough to tell though.

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You'll note I mentioned the early visible era globes. The examples presented are all post WW2, when Made in USA would have been much more prevalent. Again, it's just another bit of information out there.

Also, look at the positioning of the crown.. it appears high rather than centered and the outer red is much thinner. Dan Morphy auction for original one of these. Compare.


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Re: Man you have to pay attention in this hobby!!
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Here is a couple of pictures of my Standard globe for comparison , and I know for a fact that mine is original. Peter

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