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I feel stupid asking this with as many of these pumps as I have owned over the years, However, this is the first one I have had that needed the support pipes replaced. Can someone give me the overall length of these 3 inner support pipes? I need to make new ones and instead of guessing I'd like to have the exact dimensions.



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Zack, I'm assuming by your question that you don't have the originals. Or. they are rusted away so badly that measuring is not possible. You may be aware, two of the support pipes are not straight. They have bends in them to clear the pump mechanism. I good plumbing shop should have tooling to both thread the pipes and bend as needed. After all that, I can't answer your question about overall length. Good luck.

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Hi Morgan. Yes, mine are rusted away and long gone. Yes, I am aware about the 2 bent pipes but the pump mechanism will not be going back in so I'm planning to make them all straight now. I am thinking of just getting some pipe and welding in some all thread in each end of the pipes. I have the all thread and nuts already.

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I believe the pipes are 67 3/4" long with 2 1/2" of threads on each end.

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And the threads are the mechanical (straight) pipe thread and not the tapered. I had to make new frame pipes for my Bennett 76 and bought the mechanical pipe dies to do the job. My 615 did not need this restoration of the frame pipes. Looks like you have your answer.


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Snoopy,

AWD is exactly correct. I just wanted to ad a few things.

I suggest using black pipe. It takes paint better than galvanized pipe, and I think it looks better, if you decide you don’t want to paint it.

And if you still want to ad the pump mechanism (so you can ad a pump handle to the outside) and your worried about bending the pipe, you don’t really have to bend it. I put the pipe in the top frame, added the triangular support frame in the correct position (about 1/2 way down) then I took a ratchet strap, looped around the three pipes towards the bottom and then just ratcheted them in until they fit in the bottom base. They don’t have to bend that much. They just flex into place.

-Steve

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67 3/4 is the correct length. Speedracer is giving pretty fair advice when he talks about the ratchet strap and squeezing the legs together until the base will slip on. I have done it this way and it works well.
I also used the regular tapered pipe thread and it worked out ok, but its nice to use the straight thread.
I am currently parting out two 615's if you need any parts? I have a lot of stuff from these 2.


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KW,

I learned from the best. Some guy named Kevin F. from ND helped me with this a few years back and it worked great. wink

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Thanks everyone. I already have 6 pieces of 1" all-thread & the nuts that I am planning to slip into the pipe ends, weld the seam and go with it. I will have to shave off some of the threads to get a good fit but I feel that is the least expensive route for me at this time. Again, no one is going to see it so my only focus is making sure everything is securely attached and rigid.

If anyone has these pipes for sale I could be interested depending on the cost of shipping of course.

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Zack

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Zack-- Hard to understand exactly what you're talking about, but it seems that you are planning to weld threaded one inch stock into some pipes and weld it in? Seems like you are taking the long way around for a very simple procedure? Use the standard pipe, get it threaded on each end and put the puzzle together! Using threaded pipe will look better and be easier to work with. This isn't rocket science and the procedure should be very easy!


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I agree with Kevin. I just bought black pipe at a big box store, cut to length, then have a pipe fitter or plumbing place thread each end 2.5”. Very simple piece.

Plus, by doing it the way you describe Zack, your leaving the pump mechanism off, which means you have nothing to attach the handle to. If your restoring this pump or trying to make a complete display piece, I would think you’d want a handle on it and the return pipe (the thing with the valve on top).

Both of these make the pump look cool and complete, if not you’re going to have two holes in your skins.

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Hey guys, got it done as I had planned. It was extremely simple and basically cost nothing. I already had the 1" nuts, 1" all-thread and the 1" pipe was essentially free. I can weld and fabricate so it was not a big thing doing it this way. I was just mainly needing the overall length of the pipes to get it as close as possible.

Speedracer...... It does not have a pump or any other internals. I will be fabricating a fake pump handle rod and attach the handle this way. However, I agree totally on the "cool factor" but since I have new skins and there is no provision for a return pipe (hole) and since I don't have any piping or internals, it will be omitted for now. Maybe at some point before it is painted I will go back and add the piping as you described above. Right now I am just trying to get it put together and in one piece instead of being scattered.

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