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#109743 Thu Mar 27 2008 07:27 AM
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Does anybody know if this Ford globe is authentic? I have no idea one way or another, but would like to hear what some of the experts have to say.

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I'm on the fence on this one also, maybe Lonnie can help if he's watching it..........Ron

#109745 Thu Mar 27 2008 05:04 PM
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I was wondering if this is the same globe that showed up at the Indy Ad show? Does anyone know if it is the same one or not?

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Roger was the one at Indy real?

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#109747 Thu Mar 27 2008 07:50 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140218866874&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fws%2Fsearch%2FSaleSearch%3Fsofocus%3Dbs%26satitle%3D140218866874%26sacat%3D-1 %2526catref%253DC5%26dfsp%3D32%26from%3DR7%26nojspr%3Dy%26pfid%3D0%26fsop%3D32%2526fsoo%253D2%26fcl%3D3%26frpp%3D50%26fvi%3D1

#109748 Fri Mar 28 2008 04:19 AM
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TeeTee, I don't know if the one there was right or not. I talked to several people who went, and everyone did not know for sure. I did'nt attend either, so I did not get a chance to look at it.

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#109749 Fri Mar 28 2008 06:46 AM
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i seen the globe & I know the person who had it at Indy....Price was $10,000 & one of the premire Ford memorabilia dealers (Dan) was set up there also & he didn't come close to buying it.......I really don't know what to look for on a one piece globe like this.....It appeared to be an old body with new paint, but could'nt somebody take a blank nos body & etch whatever they wanted into it??

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Solar Electric Co. did exist, I believe they made an unusual size 3 piece glass body and lenses....maybe 14". Wagonner, Rosebud, Mayflower are a few of the odd size lenses. I wouldn't be suprised if they also made one piece globes. One could speculate if someone took an original blank globe and ethced the Ford Universal logo into the body.


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I looked at the listing and globe again, the Solar electric is upside down on the base. My theory is that it is an original canopy globe possibly originaly meant for Odd Fellows, Masons, Knights of Columbus, etc. that was never ethced and someone later etched the Ford logo on the original molded body.


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I had a small exit globe that had solar electric company on the base and I think it was upside down just like this one.


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#109753 Fri Mar 28 2008 02:49 PM
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I spoke with the guy that owns the globe now and has it on ebay. After reading the post on here he called me. I know this guy personally, have done business with him on several occasions, and believe him to be very honest and forthcoming. I would even call him a good friend except he is harder than Charles Smith to get on the phone because he works alot. LOL The worries about the globe I believe may be unfounded, as the guy is offering a 100% money-back quarantee if you are unhappy with it for any reason. He told me also, that anyone who wants to can come and inspect the globe BEFORE they buy it. I know where the globe came from and I can assure everyone on here it was nowhere near Sidney OHIO. I personally believe the globe now to be real after talking to the owner.

#109754 Fri Mar 28 2008 04:14 PM
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Roger,

Where did he get it?

Thanks,
Wes

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To quote a line off the old movie "Miracle on 34th street", ---- "DOES MACY TELL GIMBLE?" I am sworn to keep my mouth shut and this time I will.

#109756 Fri Mar 28 2008 08:56 PM
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Roger Why won't He tell where or Who He got it from ???? If it's original there should be no problem saying. I personally would not touch this globe, especially if it originated out of Mi.


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#109757 Sat Mar 29 2008 01:00 AM
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No offense to the seller but I showed this to a very knowledgable Model T guy today and he said the font is all wrong for the vintage it's supposed to be. He said definately a fantasy piece.

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Dave Green from Cincinnati had the globe at Indy, & i don't know this "littlebuster" the person who has it on ebay...Maybe its Dave..

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The person on ebay is Dave Green. Any of you out there that know him can atest he is as straight as the day is long. Dave is NOT a globe collector but is one of the best at hunting down stuff in the wild.
Russ, the globe definatly did not come from anywhere around Michigan or from any of Glen's old stuff that may have migrated there. The reason Dave don't want to tell exactly is the reason alot of us don't tell---- There may be more where it came from and he don't want any overaggresive pickers messing up his deal. I understand and respect that. Thats all I am saying and if Dave wants to sign up and speak he can. I believe he is a "lurker". Like I said, honest and forthcoming guy, just not going to give up the farm. I don't see how 100% money back guarentee can be confused. Just to let you guys know, I am right now the back-up bidder and plan to go much higher. I don't know how much my wallet will let me go, so does anyone want one of the big tractor signs I bought last weekend? I will not try and sell here but will post in "For Sale" section.

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Hi Guys;
In 24 years of collecting I have only seen one Ford 1-piece globe like the one in question. That was many, many, years ago. I will have Aaron post a photo of it in Globe of the Month. As you will see from the photo the body style of the known original is different from the one listed on Ebay. Read these next words carfully - This does NOT mean that the one Ebay is a fake! However, it does mean that anyone thinking about buying it should move cautiously. I would not buy any valuable 1-piece without first inspecting it in person.

There have been many 1-piece globes reproduced in the last 10-14 years and there have been some that have turned up recently in Southeastern Michigan that are somewhat suspicious. There are always exceptions, but some things to look for when evaluating a 1-piece globe are - body style, letter style, type of paint and paint style on baked globes, type and depth of etching on 1-piece globes, as well as any other things that may not add up with a particular globe.

There are a few simple rules to follow when buying valuable 1-piece globes. Rule #1 Know who you are dealing with, buy from reputable people. Rule #2 Get a money back guarantee. Rule #3 Inspect the globe in person if at all posssible. Rule #4 Take it to the next show and get an honest opinion on the authenticity of the globe from several knowledgable long time collectors.

It seems that the vendor of this globe is willing to allow the potential buyer to follow these rules.

There are some good honest people out there that have sold (or have for sale) questionable 1-piece globes without knowing it, so don't be to quick to condem anyone even if a globe is a repo. It is impossible to tell for sure if a 1-piece globe is an original for sure with just a photo. These ramblings are just my 2 cents and you can take them for what they are worth!

Lonnie

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Well I certainly believe what you say Lonnie about honest people who sell stuff that they aren't aware that what they are selling is either original or reproduction.. I recently bought a sign that looked every bit original on the internet, but when I got it and unpacked it, there was no question it was a reproduction sign. I contacted the sellers and they gladly refunded my money minus the shipping both ways which I was quite happy to do.. They just didn't know about what they were selling, maybe they got taken I don't know,it was all very innocent on their part,,," Honest people make mistakes". But the fellow selling the Ford globe offers a money back guarantee,no problem..


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Lonnie, I know Rick Bonenberger has the upside down version of this same globe.(canopy style). Do you or Aaron have a photo of it to post so we could compare it to? Also, I believe the original you are talking about went through Collectors Auction Service around 98 or 99 right?

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Here is a photo of the original Ford Service globe that was in Iowa in '97. This is the same globe that did get run through Collectors Auction shortly there after. As you can see this example from Iowa Gas is a little shorter (especially in the neck of the base) and wider than that of the one that's on ebay right now. The second photo is one of the seller's for easier comparison of the two globes.

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Wanted: Ripple Body Globes, picture globe, any Dixie Distributors keyhole gas pump globe and ANYTHING from Old Dutch Refining, Muskegon, MI Musgo sign
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Thanks much for the info.....after seeing the globe in person & hearing from the well informed people here, i now have enough information to make my own decision...

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If the top globe is original then the bottom looks to be original also....lets say the exact stencil was used...it is a rare bird thats for sure....maybe the buyer could get first dibbs on other Ford goodies to come hey Dave!!


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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 10,200.00 $$$$$$$$$$$$ Not bad. Great globe. I wish I could have afforded it right now.

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Had it not been for the discusion here and Lonnies pic of a known original to compare it to i dont think it would have brought half as much. I myself at first guessed it was a fake, This site worked very well for both seller and buyers. Congrads!

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Still on the fence;;;;;;;;;;;;Ron

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