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ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110925
Fri Dec 26 2008 07:44 PM
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Does anyone have some input on the origin of these Ebay auctions 200291984532 and 300282665796 , it seems that Missouri is a popular place for repop's if you research Ebay current/completed auctions, craigslist, yahoo, etc etc etc. Be sure to post directly to oldgas in order to help/educate future members. M

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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110926
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Matt--I sent him an email letting him know that it is a reproduction and that there are a lot of people watching his auction for the outcome, with him knowing its a repop!
I'll bet he does nothing!!


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110927
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Heres the email I sent him!
I asked about your knowledge of the originality of this sign before and I have since researched it a lot. This is a reproduction as is this other one I have provided the link to. Be aware that a lot of individuals are watching the outcome of this auction and the actions that you take. Thanks http://cgi.ebay.com/Pegasus-Mobil-gas-Or...1QQcmdZViewItem


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110928
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About the only way to blow these known fakes auctions, is to have access to multi computers & sign in with a new user names. Then throw a Mega bid on the item & let the seller file a Non Paying Bidder.
But then the sellers will be forced to click the PAYPAL REQUIRED box.

Ebay has yet to refund my Non paying Bidder Final Value Fees for 9 items in Aug. & Sept.

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110929
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yes i have some input...i believe they are fake also as i seen approx. 20 of them at the Chicgo coin-op show...a friend of mine was at the show & he is from the Appleton area of Wisconsin...he owns a neon shop & he also has a big oven & makes his own porcelain signs....i went & got him right away to look at these 20 horses strewn all over the ground...I already knew they were not original for many reasons & i just wanted his input as to the technical end of manufacturing...he said they were bogus & we told the seller this who then told us a friend of his from Illinois bought a bunch of NOS ones from Canada & now you will see them every where...


Thanks M for bringing these & the other junk to our attention.....you are right it is good info for the new collector...It does not seem many people here care or even want to get involved, unless it happens to them....then you will see them post about the problem...i get emails about these people how they should be exposed & when i see them in person they say they will get involved, but i sure don't see them posting here or in the repo section.....hopefully they are doing something behind the scenes....i for one appreciate it & keep it up........

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110930
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I have been in contact with the seller on this item and I believe that he is just another victim! He feels bad about all of it and is a little hurt from some of the accusations he has received. I gave him some advice and he intends to contact the person he bought it from and try to return it. I also advised him to post on the item that its a reproduction and let the buyers know. He is currently enroute and away from the computer and said he will have to deal with it later. We'll just have to watch and see what happens.
Its too bad when a chain of victims develops and there ends up a person along the line somewhere that has no recourse!
I notified the seller on the other one that he also has a repop in his hands. Time will tell on that one too I guess!
Have a good day all and remember---Be careful out there!!!


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110931
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WOW i see this seller below has ended his auction of this repo horse. he must have been a victim himself as hes not trying to pass off his mistake
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200291984532


however this seller below is still trying to sell his repo & only a few hours left..... lets see how this one does...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300282665796



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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110932
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I'm suprised! The one thats left has talked to me on the phone and he knows its a repop and I really thought he'd either pull it or make a notation on the listing! I really believe that he's a victim too but that should never be passed along that way! Hope he does something soon. I emailed the other guy and he pulled it off ebay. Haven't heard back from him tho!


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110933
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I received a response to an email I sent to the seller of the sign ending soon. It was from his wife(?) telling me I wasn't very nice. She also said that an OLDGAS member is the "Petrolina Moderator", the seller mentions in the auction. She just wouldn't say who this member is. I maybe wrong but, I don't believe that the email came from his "wife" and don't believe that an well-known OLDGAS member said the sign is original. As I said I could be wrong on this assumption. I believe enough OLDGAS members have sent emails, that he is throwing out BS until the sign sells. I wonder if he doesn't have more than one of these signs? Just heard back from wife, says that they bought the sign for $1500 from someone on west coast. She says that the original seller is suppost to buy sign back, but the auction still goes on. Not sure what to make of these emails. Since again, they know it's a repop and they now admit it and aren't stopping the auction, figure they are just trying to pass the sign along to the next sucker.

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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110934
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I just got a surprise email from the seller/wife. I had apologised if my tone was harsh with them.They said it wasn't, but said that someone who claimed to be from OLDGAS was quite abusive.I am passing her/their email on to Jim. No need to throwout words like mother****er and use OLDGAS as a reason.


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Just to set things straight -

The Pegasus seller said this in the auction description:

"It is not a reproduction as confirmed by a very well known Petrolinia Moderator here in Mo. and others."

I have had nothing to do with this seller and gave no such confirmation of originality. There are no other Shop Talk moderators in Missouri other than me. I contacted the seller and he would not explain who the person is.

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Well, I hope one of us hears from him as to the disposition of the sale! Possibly he had someone he knows purchase the sign? I see the 2nd bidder had a 30% activity with him and in only 10 sales, so that tells you that he had a schill bidder participating!
I sure hope he didn't pass his problem along to someone else, that never makes it go away!
I know I sure plan to start a list of sellers with bogus items on ebay for my own information and I believe we all should.


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110937
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Just for kicks I emailed the seller and ask Since this sign will probably sell at a high price if they would guarantee it to be original. This is the response “We paid $1500 for the sign from a well known gas guy here in Mo. He said it was original but I have had guys say that it may not be. My husband has several vintage gas memorabilia friends and they say it is. I don't know what else to tell you really. We weren't afraid of it. Thanks” The response danced all around the question but did not offer to guarantee it.

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It's my understanding that someone found 200 of these signs and sold most of them to one person.

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i heard they found these 200 in Canada & Wes already said he's never seen one ....I would not beleive one word these guys are saying, they are probably made in Mexico or India or who knows where...one thing for sure is they are not real old, they are repo , bogus, fantasy what ever word you want to use....

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Are you guys saying that the following is fake too?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300282665796&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020

If so how can you tell that it's fake? Color? White lines not right width? etc?

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110941
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...I read and reread this post (and might have missed it in all this discussion) and I've looked at all of the photos...but...can anyone tell me how these signs, with no holes, or mounting tabs on the backside, are/were supposed to be attached to the Mobil station??...why would Mobil have such a sign made if they couldn't hang them??

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"Supposedly" there were 200 of these found/made, so they will be a problem for many years to come, AND A LOT OF PI** OFF BUYERS when they find out they bought a REPO.

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110943
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Kosmo---Read all of the posts and it will help you understand. Noone intends to degrade an actual antique from the past but too many people get taken for a loss on these repop signs and its actually hurting the sale of legitimate signs!


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Kosmo, yes this sign is a fake. According to the Mobil Collectors guide, the size is wrong, there are no brackets to hang sign to wall and the pegasus signs weren't marked with a date. This seller knows he sold a fake, as I and others contacted him. I gave him the page #'s in the Guide so he could check the info himself.
Gulfiend! the original signs were made to be wall and building hangers. They all need to have brackets on the back, so they could be hung.


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some of the cookie cutter pegasus's were dated at the bottom of the belly...

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These signs were made off of a picture of a T-53 cookie cutter pegasus. They were made, either down south, or in Europe somewhere. I've said this a million times, but I'll say it again. The big antique fairs, Brimfield or Round Top or Canton or wherever, always has these pieces of shizzle show up about a year before they start really passing around the hobby. I saw about 7-10 of these at Round Top in April of '07. They were scattered around the field typically in booths that specialized in Mexican/European import furniture or decor. I'll go again this April and invariably, there will be a new repop. These small T-53 horses are ALL repo. Don't buy some bogus BS story about 200 were found somewhere.

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Seth,

Round Top PA?

Brimfield Ohio? When is that show with signs?

Canton Ohio?

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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110949
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Daryl and Seth thanks for the "heads up" on some of the cookie cutters having markings. The book says nothing about markings and the pegasus in the photos have no markings.


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your welcome Bob
yes kosmos thats another fake & thanks for the heads up.........its Roundtop Texas, Brimfield Massachusetts, & Canton Texas...

it seems the same people show up with these bogus signs & i sure wish there was a way to stop them as it really is hurting this hobby..

..its nice to see some new names getting involved with spreading the word about these bogus signs....i wished some of the more expierenced & expert people like Seth (does) would get involved ...

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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110951
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Another one of these suckers going off in 12 hours! It was stuck under 300 for the longest time and I was hoping that people had wised up but its almost to 800 by now. I sent him an email several days ago telling him it was a repop and got no answer.
Maybe it would be a good idea for a bunch of people to email him on it! I think I'll send another one thats a little stronger.
I wish there was something we could do to make it a crime to misrepresent these repops!If it was a fraud action, I bet they wouldn't fly so fast!
I guess I'm just frustrated with having to wade thru the fraudulent signs to make sure I'm getting an honest one for my money!
Thanks for letting me vent!-----KEVIN
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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? #110952
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Heres the email I sent him. Will it do any good?
I doubt it!
"I had sent you an email some time back, notifying you that this was a reproduction sign and you have not posted that information on the item! You should realize that it constitutes fraud to knowingly misrepresent an item for sale!
If you ever get taken to task for this action, there is a lot of evidence for ebay to draw from that would absolve them and leave you holding the bag!
Please don't take offense as I'm only trying to be helpful and for you to be informed!"


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Several have came from a dealer in Springfield MO. I will not mention a name but it is a person that I do not trust b/c of past dealings and some of his associations.


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Yeah and they are being sold for $350 in Missouri

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One of the most obvious things is the red hoof on the front leg is all the way to the edge of the sign. Nowhere else on the sign that I can tell does the red touch the edge. Also, as I mentioned before, the T-53 marking is disproportionate to the size of the sign.

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what a shame.....the worst part of it all....is that legitimate dealers with authentic pieces are losing out on the money that people are willing to spend in the hobby. sounds like they are filtering in at shows wear dealers might think that an expert would not call them out on their little scheme


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Anyone seen any more of these popping up on ebay?

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Right now there is 1 pegasus on ebay marked T-53. There are 10 pegusas' that are not marked as far as I could tell from the auctions. Plus 2 original pegasus, one being sold by Ron Bettin. So in a few years there will be atleast 10 more "frauds" out there confusing the average collector.


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Another one on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-3-Mobil-Pegasus-Flying-Horse-Porcelain-Sign_W0QQitemZ160312739071QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item160312739071&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A16|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Item number: 160312739071

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Kosmo] #130335
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Make that 2 more:

Item number: 120372907219

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120372907219

$555.00

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Kosmo] #131130
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160312739071

$535.19

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Kosmo] #131189
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seems like these things are reproducing??like wabbits!!


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: oldnfuelish] #131190
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thanks for keeping us updated Kosmo, nice to see who's selling these......

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: roadrelics] #131467
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JUST SAW THIS ON EBAY I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SIGNS SO IM NOT SAYING ITS A FAKE. BUT IT IS FROM MO AND HAS THE T53 ON IT, AND THE LEFT HOOF ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE SIGN. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK. 120378322738


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: s932] #131487
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Originally Posted By: s932
JUST SAW THIS ON EBAY I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SIGNS SO IM NOT SAYING ITS A FAKE. BUT IT IS FROM MO AND HAS THE T53 ON IT, AND THE LEFT HOOF ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE SIGN. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK. 120378322738


Same seller as the one that sold for $555.


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Lastgas15] #131488
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I sent him a message but it probably won't do any good. frown

Wondering why you don't advertise this sign as a reproduction? Maybe you didn't know? ALL of these T53 signs are reproductions! mad


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: K W FRITH] #131527
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Heres his answer:These signs are not reproductions. They are heavy porcelain and were made in Canada.


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: K W FRITH] #131528
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Sent him another Email:They may be heavy porcelain and I don't care where they were made but they are REPRODUCTION signs! You need to get a copy of the Mobil gas collectors guide!
Not sure why I feel the need to inform these crooks but it really bothers me that they are taking advantagre of people, whether they are aware of it or not!


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: K W FRITH] #131568
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I also received an answer from the "gentleman", LOL. Here is his answer on the sign being a reproduction:

"Dear rain3482001,

These signs came out of Canada, they were found in a old factory and were never finished up. Some have slight flaws and were rejects. There was 200 of them found."

- ugolini67

He didn't ask me if I wanted to buy some Ocean Front property in Arizonia, so I guess his answer could have been worse, LOL.

Thinking more about this, I have to wonder if he left out a couple of zeros? The way these signs keep multiplying, I think they are magic. Or at the very least part rabbit.

Last edited by Bob Richards; Sun Feb 15 2009 10:38 AM.

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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Bob Richards] #131579
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The saga continues; The seller wrote me back after I imformed him I was posting his comments here on the site, here is his reply:

"Dear rain3482001,

We have not misrepresented these signs. These are heavy porcelain signs from Canada and there were only 200. I can understand you being upset if I sold these signs for 2500.00 to 3000.00. However, not everyone can afford an American sign. I am very sorry that this is all you have to do with your time and unless you want to discuss purchasing one of these signs for your collection we have no further reasons to discuss this matter any further. Thank-you for your interest and concern."
Regards

- ugolini67

As I promised him, here is his words for all to read. Each and everyone will need to decide for themselves if they believe that the sign is original. For me, I think this guy is a "scam artist" and there seems to be more and more of them coming out from under their rocks.


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Bob Richards] #132083
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Just informed the ebay seller "havnagas", who is trying to sell one of these T53 Peggies for $1900, that it is a fake. 140301200532 - will report back if I get any answer.
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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: fast66] #132097
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if you look at this "havnagas" other auction you will see he is selling a sign "bear wheel alignment" that was on this froum a while back.....

http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=21488&Number=130667#Post130667

Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: roadrelics] #132166
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Im not a sign guy but have followed this with interest. One thing I have not seen addressed: If 200 of these "original" signs were found, as some are claiming, why would they command a high price? If 200 Poly globes were found, the price would plummet. Have any of the sellers stated in their ad that 200 were found?
John


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: mattthegasman] #132168
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too many stories. i heard about the 200 found in canada,yet in the above auction he states"THIS IS THE LAST ONE OF THE 10 THAT WERE FOUND! " just a note.


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: oldnfuelish] #132203
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Got a respons from HAVNAGAS (auction 14301200532) on ebay to whom I sent information about the details on the Pegasus that clearly told me it was a fake. He responded: "Whatever, still very desireable and have passed on some good offers. Thanks for your input, GG"
Also sent the link to this post...

He also has a lot of cans and stuff that seem as good as any..
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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: fast66] #133058
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Jim, how about moving this subject to "known reproductions" ?
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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Bob Richards] #133346
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just saw this on ebay looks like another one to me what do you guys think item number 15032898403. how did all of these end up in mo there giving my state a bad name


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: s932] #133347
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this is the second one this guy has sold


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Vermonter] #133357
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Hey guys,,, maybe this is the KEY words,,
"We have not misrepresented these signs. These are heavy porcelain signs from Canada and there were only 200"

He isn't saying here they are old and original from the 30's or any other time,,
Sounds to me like what he is saying, is they came from Canada and there are only 200 of them,,,We've all heard that line before, no different than saying they are from the USA and there are only 200 of them.. ( I guess thats all they made.),, ha,ha,ha,
ONLY IN CANADA EH ? grin


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: s932] #133358
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NOT ONLY THAT , THEY ARE GIVING MY COUNTRY A BAD NAME,,


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Wes Hague] #133359
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Shawn's ebay # is missing a zero. The # is 150328980403 and yes it is another T-53 repop.


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: Bob Richards] #133362
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thanks bob sometimes i get in a hurry when typing. bad habit


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: s932] #133654
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OK THIS IS GETTING OLD BUT HERE POPS ANOTHER ONE FROM MISSOURI. THIS GUY ISNT SAYING ORIGINAL OR REPRODUCTION KINDA MISLEADING IF YOU ASK ME EBAY #120387668746


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Re: ANOTHER ONE ? NO WAIT 2 MORE T-53 PEGASUS SIGNS FROM MISSOURI ???????????????????? [Re: s932] #133733
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Your right this is getting old,,,,


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