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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111645
Fri Jul 13 2007 06:26 AM
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Pablo, you should send e-bay a huge bill for acting as their auction police.

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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111646
Fri Jul 13 2007 07:14 AM
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way to go Pablo....you should actually send ebay a class action lawsuit on behalf of the many people who have been screwed because ebay does not respond to these complaints most of the time, this case was so aggregious, obvious, and probably recieved many emails regarding it .... i am starting to believe they could care less just as long as they get their percentage....

Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111647
Fri Jul 13 2007 05:53 PM
Fri Jul 13 2007 05:53 PM
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mobil100 - Ethically speaking, your act of submitting a false quote for "$100,000.00", in which you have no intention of following through on the transaction, is no more legitimate than the seller's actions.

There are plenty of ways in which to bring this matter to the attention of ebay and potential buyers.


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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111648
Fri Jul 13 2007 06:22 PM
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Chadhaas,

Desperate means require desperate measures. I wouldn't pass judgment on someone (mobil100) who knows that a fraud is being committed. The greater risk is someone being taken by an unscrupulous dirbag who hacks a ligitimate seller and tries to sell merchandise that he doesn't have--- because no one took action to stop the madness.

Lighten up. Nobody asked for the "ethics" police to step in. The fraud was stopped in his tracks....assuming that the eBay member was hacked and fell victim to the scum that pulls these types of cons, he too should be thankful for people like mobil100. I find no fault with him for stepping up. He saved at least a couple of people money and their eBay reputation. If you'd been hacked by someone and they were selling something under your eBay identity, you'd be thanking mobil100 instead of finding fault in this "ethically questionable" actions. He did the right thing and if anyone disagrees on this, they need their head examined.


Mac

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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111649
Fri Jul 13 2007 06:56 PM
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to-chadhaas: Ethically speaking you are correct, but e-bay did nothing, I could go on and on, but that turns in to one of those debates, that sometimes gets out of hand on this site. thank you Mac for your comments

Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111650
Fri Jul 13 2007 07:41 PM
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chadhaas,.....do you have any suggestions on how to stop this fraud ?? Have you personnally tried ?? I give mobil100 kudos for DOING something.....read the last posts, ebay does almost nothing to stop this......I know what you're trying to say, 2 wrong frauds don't make a right, however in this case the second wrong may have saved a totally ignorant innocent victim $37,000 without hurting a sole..... so i would not call what mobil100 did wrong, i'd call it more like a guy with some balls who decided to step up & do something himself.....i could come up with 100's of analagies...., i seen a bank robbery & somebody was killed, do i follow this killer in my car when he speeds away from the bank or is that stalking him ?? can i break the speed limit when i follow him to get his license plate #, or i am breaking the law ??....... We need these kinds of people to make difficult decisions to make change, not somebody who does not want to get involved......


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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111651
Fri Jul 13 2007 10:08 PM
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If the moral of the story here is that it is OK to commit a crime to prevent a crime, then I don't have much more to say about this topic.


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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111652
Fri Jul 13 2007 11:14 PM
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In this jurisdiction,

Imaginary bids

on Imaginary items,

is NOT, I repeat NOT an indictable offense..

Now everyone can sleep.....

Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111653
Sat Jul 14 2007 04:01 AM
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i am sure glad all of us are not "holier than thou"........keep up the good work with these rip-off artists.....

Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111654
Sat Jul 14 2007 01:18 PM
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chadhaas--tell us the many ways to bring this problem to the attention of others and ebay as you stated.
Bob

Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111655
Sat Jul 14 2007 01:40 PM
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Dodogas..... I like your reply
Imaginary bids, on Imaginary items,
Is NOT an indictable offense..

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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111656
Sat Jul 14 2007 02:09 PM
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unfortunately it is not an imaginary bid, however the product is imaginary

Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111657
Sat Jul 14 2007 02:15 PM
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I always thought this forum was a discussion site for all points of view. To belittle someone because they don't hold the same point of view as someone else. STUPID!!!!!!!!! The question was brought up "can one break the law to help stop someone else who has broken the law". According to the courts NO, especially in this age of cell phones. If you chase someone, lets say a bank robber and you cause an accident you are charged in the accident, not the bank robber. This has happened in a number of states and to a varity of people including off-duty police officers. I understand the frustration with ebay where it comes to ebay scams. I have been burned myself and have reported a number of auctions and at times nothing seems to have been done. To make a fraudlent bid one better be positive that the auction item is not real, either that or better have a great attorney on retainer. All it will take is one $100,000.00 mistake on an item that is real and one has lost everything. And before we hear "I would know its a fake", look back at the posts where there has been a question on if an item is original. We partake in a hobby that is based on items manufactured in the past, not the recent past. I have never met a person who is 100% sure of anything. Jack, has written a great book and is doing a revision to it with added material. I have read here where he has pointed out that someone has come up with an item he hadn't seen before. So how about taking a step back and let anyone have their say without ridicule? At times I have been guilty of this, didn't make it right then and doesn't make it right now.


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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111658
Sat Jul 14 2007 02:36 PM
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get real, i will take my chances getting a license plate number of a murdering bank robber & i may even have to break the speed limit to do it, however if safety becomes an issue i will back off..... the law breaking speeder would be on a pedastal at a press confrence as a hero & the courts would give a commendation of courage.......every state has these types of situations where people take the law into their own hands & are commended for it........yes we do have our own opinions & I for one will stand up for the rights of the PEOPLE , not some dirtbag rip-off.........oh, poor rip off had a schill bid put on his fraud item & his rights were violated ?? is that your stance ??........By the way some of us KNOW the auction was a scam & you should get filled in on all the facts, the sign is real, the picture is stolen..... ebay finally pulled it.........i have not seen any other posts where somebody called the people on this forum or their opinions STUPID!!!!!!!!, except one......




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Re: Get A Rope!!!! #111659
Sat Jul 14 2007 03:27 PM
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Roadrelic, I honestly hope you never get the chance to live out your fantasy. If by some stretch of imagination you do get the opportunity, I hope someone doesn't lose their life or their loved one's lives by making a legal turn or pass while you are playing avenger.


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