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#123483 - Sun Aug 05 2007 04:10 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
MarkMcK Offline
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Registered: Fri May 07 2004
Loc: Katy, TX 77449
Darrell, I would think the Olds sign would come from a time period that was prior to use of the PA abbreviation for Pennsylvania. The Post Office shortened all state abbreviations in 1963 to just two letters. Even then, it took a while to get the rest of society to use the new abbreviations.

Anything before made at before that date would have said Penna. to indicate Pennsylvaina.

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#123484 - Sun Aug 05 2007 05:54 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
I don't know the first thing about signs, but I do like cars. In 1960 Olds went to the "Rocket" logo and dropped their "circle the world"(my interperation of the logo). If Mark is right, and I think he is, the logo and the wording are wrong together on a sign. Hard for me to believe that GM and Olds would still be making signs 3 years after the logo change, but I have wrong so many times before. lol
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#123485 - Sun Aug 05 2007 06:10 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
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Registered: Mon Mar 01 2004
Loc: MI, USA
Tom, Did you happen to get a picture of the 30" GMC truck sign also?? Has a more yellow background instead of the orange,I did not get a pic. So beware of those to. Heard 3 showed up there but only seen one which I was told was also returned.
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#123486 - Sun Aug 05 2007 06:10 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
I don't know the first thing about signs, but I do like cars. In 1960 Olds went to the "Rocket" logo and dropped their "circle the world"(my interperation of the logo). If Mark is right, and I think he is, the logo and the wording are wrong together on a sign. Hard for me to believe that GM and Olds would still be making signs 3 years after the logo change, but I have wrong so many times before. lol Not sure why this reply showed up twice, sorry.

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#123487 - Sun Aug 05 2007 09:01 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Alex Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 08 2003
Loc: Butte, Montana USA
Hi guys. Have been reading this thread and I was wondering. Is it possible that the original sellers of these signs don't k now they are fake. Is it possible they were duped as well? I didn't see (maybe I missed it) where people have talked to them to see what there side of the story is. I am not taking sides and wholeheartedly agree these signs need to be stopped. I looked up their ebay feedback and it is pretty good. Was j ust wondering if anyone had talked to them.
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#123488 - Sun Aug 05 2007 10:01 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Pablo Offline
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Registered: Thu Jan 13 2005
Loc: El Dorado Hills, CA
Alex,
Here's "Ms." Carla Clifford's reply to my email explaining that her Humble sign was a repop (eBay item #150139733448 - Original Vintage Humble Don't Smoke On Drive Way Sign)...

"I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU THINK REPOS ARE COMING FROM HERE. WHO IS SAYING IT AND ABOUT WHOM??? YOU MUST BE AN OLD FART THAT HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN BASH PEOPLE'S
AUCTIONS. YOU PEOPLE ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH SIGN COLLECTING - YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT BAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF, UNLESS OF COURSE, IT'S YOURS THEN IT'S THE BEST IN THE WORLD. DO NOT THREATEN ME, YOU
******* - YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH."

Some "lady", huh? Talk about shooting the messenger!! They both have to know all these signs are repops!!
(Old Gas zapped her exact terminology but let the record show that the filthy mouthed broad had the nerve to call me an a--hole.)


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#123489 - Sun Aug 05 2007 10:26 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
I have seen this guy set up in Minneapolis, & Brimfield Mass.....He also sets up in RoundTop Texas among other places.......I have seen & discussed his dealings & travels to India in person with him, however supposedly he buys nautical, vaseline glass, etc......i have asked him personnally if he gets these signs from India & the answer is always vague......like Thunder II says, they will never admit it as there reputation is on the line however i am 99% sure he's deeply involved, but to what extent i don't know ...I will say however i did buy 2 great 100% original signs from him in Brimfield 2 years ago, but that does not negate the fact he is the biggest dealer of these repos.....
Mark & Pat who set up by the back door at Iowa gas have seen him in Round Top Texas with crates of this new stuff....
There were a couple of other guys who have been involved with these signs from India however they have not set up for a couple of years now but they could sure be involved as the signs appear to be made with the same process..........
Just keep the pressure on.......
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#123490 - Sun Aug 05 2007 10:33 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
st.rod Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 15 2002
Loc: Edgewater, Colorful Colorado
What should worry the hobby is that these signs are very close to being undetectable. Would not be very hard to put a little work in to them with grommets and then they would concentrate on the reverse side. After that what happens????? Kind of scarey from an investment stand point.

Larry
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#123491 - Sun Aug 05 2007 10:42 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
RARIN TO GO Offline
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Registered: Sat Aug 28 2004
Loc: Longmont, CO
I'm no lawyer but my bro is. I am going to talk to him and see if there is a way to file a legal complaint against someone who is doing this. Doesn't mean I will...I'm just curious. They have to know that these are fake signs if they are bringing them in from overseas and it seems like a lot of people are getting burned by them. If they are passing them off as real even though they are importing them and know they are not real then I would think that would have to be considered fraud.

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#123492 - Sun Aug 05 2007 11:31 PM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
Metro had a post entitled: "Fraud, fakes, repros...etc. In it is the email for Jeanne Bumpus, who I believe works for the FTC. I know I will be asking her to look long and hard at these people on ebay and direct her to this post. Maybe the FTC will do something if enough people contact them. Can't hurt. Nothing else seems to be working. As time goes by and prices keep climbing, repros are going to get better and better. Be nice to cut some of these people out of the loop.
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#123493 - Mon Aug 06 2007 12:57 AM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Tom Stover Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 07 2001
Loc: Left Coast
Glad you guys that were there are watching each other's backs!! A couple of those signs look pretty good, some not so good; seems to me that the original Mobilgas pump plates that I've seen are dated in the lower r/h corner, the I/R stamp in the fake is in the lower point & BADLY centered & the back looks really bad!! Some of the other signs look badly "pitted" & the backside......?????? I saw the same kind of **** when I was dealing in vintage sports collectables, scum rears it's ugly head whenever there's a buck to be made!!!!!!!!!!! Ray, VERY glad you got your money back, you can now afford to buy me a bullet (or two) at Fred's!!!!!!

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#123494 - Mon Aug 06 2007 07:57 AM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
Seth Robbins Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
I don't if it is the same people are not, but I have seen two "questionable" looking people in an old crusty van (with Indiana plates) at a lot of the Goodguy's & NSRA events lately. They are not in the commercial vending area, but in the little bitty swap meet areas. They have been at Louisville, Columbus, Indy, Kalamazoo, etc. I bought a 24" Pennzoil & a 29" Phillips Ethyl from them about 2.5 years ago. I came back the next day and they had two more exactly like them. I asked them about it and they said they had "found" a case of them. Anyway, I accused them of selling repros then and tried to basically shove the signs up their you know what, but never got my money back. I sold the signs as repos later.

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#123495 - Mon Aug 06 2007 08:10 AM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
Those are 2 different people Seth...I know who you are talking about & they will be at upcoming Auburn & i see them at Carlisle, Hershey.....Those 2 are bad news & i believe they have split up.... now the tall one with the long black hair & gotee is traveling with his girlfriend...
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#123496 - Mon Aug 06 2007 08:24 AM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Seth, Your talking of a different pair...I too have seen them in action also...A white van with 2 guys. 1 white, tall with pony tail and other is dark skin guy with long hair...They got run out of the streetrod nationals last year for selling repos!
Repo mccoy pottery, repo paper junk and repo signs!
The Cliffords are a middle aged couple and they know EXACTLY what they are doing!
They buy containers full of repo glass, ship brass nautical repo junk and signs then bring them back to deliberately mislead everyone they come into contact with! They then mix it up with originals!
I called the Monticello police dept to ask about a fraud charge possibility WITHOUT mentioning any names???
They said YES YES YES, would gladly file fraud charges against anyone selling new reproduction signs as originals!
Especially when the seller and/or importer knowingly had made to decieve and sell as originals!!! They chip them up and age them outside again to decieve!!!
Anyone who has EVER bought from them either directly or indirectly, ebay or flea market needs to get together with a class action suit!!!
I feel it's the ONLY way to stop them! They have made a ton of money off these repos and will probably use our own money to fight us!!!
I bought a repo gargoyle several years ago and know for a fact cliffords brought them in!!! Along with the rca and esso elephant repos...ALL from India!!!
~WHAT A SHAME~


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#123497 - Fri Dec 14 2007 06:39 AM Re: Several Monticello repos surfaced at Iowa Gas 2007 ~Please Read!~
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
~BUMP~ I had to give this topic the dreaded
"Bettin' Bump"...
Some of these are now being listed on ebay!
BEWARE!!!!


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