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I took a set of 866 faces and reduced them on paper in color so they would be the same size as a 40 face. I would like to get some opinions on this before making them.
Like them or hate them ?????????????
RSVP, ASAP...please
Thanks Joe

Are you planning on using the style with the red, black and gold lettering?
Ron

yes ...Is there a problem with that????
Is there a copyright on this design?????

I'm confused, the Wayne 40 was a computer pump. Why make them to fit a 40?


Brian

A Wayne 40 ,50, Tohiem 34 took an 8" computer
I have designed a clock to take the place of this computer if it is missing. The conversion of a 12" computer into an 8" computer is way too involved and would cost way too much.. This clock gives you something to put in the cabinet if you have no luck finding a computer. The 8" computers are hard to find....what good is a cabinet with no computer?These clocks work.I have already had inquiries about faces for the 40 from people who have no computers.
Thanks........Joe

Ok ...here is another idea....I could make a computer to take the place of an 8" but it would not be functional. All it would have are wheels,6 or 9 wheel. The cost would be about the same for either
Let's have a vote.....
Non-funtional restored computer or
funtional clock, for the 40, 50. Tokheim 34

You would have to send in O/S crankback computer core on either
Thanks ....Joe

If I could not find a computer, I would do a fake computer face until I could find a real one, I would never put a clock face in a 40. The Wayne 40 would be a very easy pump to change back over to the real thing.

Brian

I guess I should be flattered that you are considering copying that design instead of the original.
Ron

Joe why not use like an Erie U-10 face...just block out the Erie name and use on Wayne 40,50 and Tokheim 34...I think its a lot nicer face than the Wayne 861...mm

The 866 faces were the only ones I had.

I had an idea last night so I went to staples this morning.....and on the color printer they can reduce the image to fit
another size. I was amazed at the quality,
if the paper was laminated ...you could have a good looking face for next to nothing.
You could take a 36-B clock face and have them alter it to fit a #34.They can alter vertical and horizontal to fit.This of course would only work for the flat faces

cool huh???

Nice work!! I've never done a clockface pump to date... Dave

Why not spend some time/money and make up your own artwork. That way some of us won't be upset... I did that back in 1992 with the image you are showing. My artwork cost back then was $195.65. That included having an original 866 face scanned and then making film positives for the red (my idea), black and gold.
Ron

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I don't understand...are you flattered or angry.If this is your design I won't use it.
If it is the color scheme you are worried about, then I won't use it. Ron,
You were the first person I approached when I had a working prototype of this clock that I am trying to come up with faces for.You didn't seem too interested in it.apparently Andy wasn't either.Your 866,36-B,B-38,77,373, faces should work on my 12" clock so you can now change 60,36-B,
A-38,76,541, into a clock pump from a computer pump.This will help you sell faces.
I am almost positive people will start to copy my clock.....I really don't care.
Joe

You know, I have been holding back and did not want to give my two cents on this. BUT, WHY on gods green earth would anyone spend good money to have a veedor root restored AND converted to be a phoney clock face? Maybe its just me! But if ya' don't have a real clock face mechanism why not just use an inexpensive clock conversion??? THE PUMP is still a conversion and not worth more! COOL, SURE! Heck I like em'! BUT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A FAKE! I can completely understand having a veedor root restored. It is NOT something everyone can do! Or even wants to try.


LARRY

It is like tv...if you don't want one don't buy one..There are a lot of folks that want one.This is a clock that works made of gas pump parts....how can it be Fake. Ron's repro faces are "fake", Repro parts are Fake. Repro pumps are Fake. How many Fake parts are on your pumps???? Were your repro parts made from real ones?
My unit is $200, For about $300.00
you can have a working clock, faces and hands
That is only $50.00 more than the 36-B conversion, Why spend $50.00 less for static hand setup?My clock is not reproduction parts.It is a converted part. If you had a Fry 117-R 10 gallon that used to be a 5 gallon would you build it as a 10 or 5?
I make no claims as it to increase the value of your pump,But it will increase it's beauty.Isn't that the goal, a pump you think as beautiful??? And a static setup is even more fake than you are calling this, yet you are indorsing the static setup?????

There are not enough origional clock units out there to fill just the 866's that are missing their units.If you were to repro that unit noone could afford it.
Thanks ....Joe

I would have to say, it would probably decrease the value of the pump. The only people that would pay as much as a Wayne 40 costs, would be pump enthusiasts and they would (or should) know that that was a computer pump. So, with that said, I would be wrong and a collector would want it right. It would cost more to get a computer, restore it and put it in the pump.

I personally like to keep the pumps as original as possible. If we have to use repro parts to finish an project, than so be it but at least it will be like factory.

If there was a model of the Wayne 40 that came out with the clock face then yea that would be cool if you converted it. But, I don't like fantasy pumps.

But really what does it matter what the board thinks, Its your pump. We can fix it after you get rid of it...lol.

Reading this thread, reminded me that I need a veederoot for my Tok.34 pump. Does anyone have one for sale, or are they really that rare?
Thanks,
Don

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Don "oltoydoc" Sherwood
Vintage Gas

Most people don't even put origional oil co. paint scheme on their pumps.....basicly because most were not too apealing. Does this constitute a "fantasy pump" as well.

I did one such pump,a G.O.C. ,I forget what model,The stainless art deco top & corner trim..... School bus yellow , red base and clamshell ,Shell globe....It never existed, but it was beautiful.It would have been nicer as a clock.Once you stray from 100% origional it is no longer origional, so then the sky is the limit.If you do not restore the computer and just slap decals on it can you say the pump is restored?

When I built pumps I insisted on keeping them as authentic as possible.that is how & why I taught myself to build computers....I needed computers that worked and looked new to be able to call my pumps restored.

But as personal preference I would rather have a Bennett 541 in my house as a clock pump rather than a computer pump.

If you had two identical pumps, one a clock one a computer,let's say a 40, at a sale such as the general public would go to.
You have one price on computer and a slightly higher on clock.
You explain the repro clock and it is not origional, but the computer pump is . .......which do you think would sell first?????

I am mearly offering an alternative for people.And yes , it is totaly reversable,
just take out the clock, put computer back in, the only change would be lenght of reset link rod.
Thanks ....Joe

I like clockfaces!

Its in the same vein as the guys who buy a clockface conversion of there 60. I like it, lets see it on a pump all done up!

I think we are splitting some hairs onthis discussion of real vs repop parts. In terms of face plates, those are things that often are so weathered that they have to be replaced and I don't thinkthere are many "origianl" parts like that. Same as trim pieces and sheet metal. Having those repop pieces are not going to diminish a pump's value. But putting the wrong face on a pump I think would not add value. If a person wants to create a "fantasy pump" go ahead. I have a Bennet 76 and searched high and low and finally found the right bezel. (It was the Standard Oil version) I turned it into a Texaco Ethyl pump. Would I have bought a repop bezel? I would have looked hard and if I couldn't find one, I would probably have gone ahead. It's the same as car parts. How many original seat covers and headliners are in every 57 Chevy you see?

Same as globes. If you want to do a Visible with a 15inch Texaco globe, not everyone can find or afford an original. Anyway..lilke has been said many times, its your pump, do what you want and enjoy.

I'm sorry,,,20 yrs ago noone was making parts for computer pumps....I sold computer pump parts, origionals. I had access to all the original parts I needed.Faces ,skins,
frames, trim,etc.It was nice when it came time to restore something. I guess that corrupted me.

The only things on this pump that are not origional...paint scheme,retractor cable & ball. Thanks.Joe

I love reading these posts and getting the feel of everyone's opinion. It does not matter what you like or dislike. Fact is you do awesome work, Joe!
That's all I got to say about that.
Mike

Joe, I admire your creativity and your work. Like you said ,if you don't want it don't buy it. I have an Erie 20 (page 160 in Jack's book) that I have been hunting for a clock for a long time with no luck. If you could make me any kind of working clock to put in there I'd be happy to buy it. I don't care if it's original or not. I don't plan on selling it and it's just for my personal enjoyment. I'll have to buy a lot of repro. parts form Ron Scobie for this one as well. It won't make it any less valuable to me. When I die and it's sold at my sale then someone else can worry about the originality. It's not worth anything sitting there unfinished like it is.

The Wayne 40 is one of my favorite pumps. In my opinion and this is only my preference. I would rather see a repro. computer than a clock face.

Have fun, that's what it's all about! All this STUFF is just STUFF and in the long run it won't matter one bit! All this is just Worldly Treasures!

Mike

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Just an idea, but is the problem that people are having with this the idea that it's a clock mechanism being put in what was originally a computer pump?? If so, I would agree...I'm not even a fan of people who turn the 60's and Tok. 36B's in to clockfaces when they were originally computer, but that's just me. But if putting a fake clock unit in what was originally a clockface pump is the difference between bringing an otherwise complete pump back from the dead, I say go for it...better than scrapping it.

this is not unlike the car hobby....if you buy an original one owner car and choose to install late model drive train (engine/trans/rear/air ride etc.)its your choice! you own the damm thing!.some/most purest's will curse you...others will praise you!....if you paid 5000 for it and someone offers you 20-25k when your done the choice is yours to sell it or keep it....PEOPLE WILL PAY WHAT EVER THEY WANT/CAN TO GET WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY DESIRE.....i am doin my garage bay/facade with ALL REPRO..cause its cheaper, i get the results i want faster,and i wont have to worry about if i got "ripped off" ...it dont matter cause its my friggin garage!...enjoy your projects!

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"THE KRYLON KID"...Looks great,and tastes good too!

Wow..Joe. You got some people really excited over that question...LOL.

I didn't make the clock to make money,or to increase the value of a pump, or to deceive.
I made it to work in the 60 & 36-B for a good customer...I love a challenge..then I saw potential for the rest...B-38,77,etc. I have spent more time researching faces to fit
than it took to invent it. I thought other people might want or even need this unit, so
I came here.I know some of my computer customers hang out here a lot.
thanks...Joe