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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: MetroPetro] #140355
Mon May 11 2009 03:45 AM
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I do not believe that you damaged the sign, I think it was Clear coated or something else was applied to give it a shine, all you did was take off that coating and brought back the sign to it's original state before being "Repaired". Try spraying it with WD40 and laying it out in the sun for a day, will probably look fresh. Until it is cleaned again. Just my opinion


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: KZ1000] #140358
Mon May 11 2009 04:43 AM
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I think KZ1000 is right. I would have a hard time believing any kind of wax would do that. I have used bar-keepers friend on many many signs including quite a few blue porcelain ones without any problems. My "secret" con-coction is mixing Bar-keepers freind with Gel-gloss porcelain polish. Works miricles by removing rust stains and leaving a show shine. Just my opinion
Good luck I know they were very beautiful signs you had.

Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Garage-A-GoGo] #140367
Mon May 11 2009 06:48 AM
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I too have used BKF on many signs without issue. The key is though to not leave it on for more than a couple minutes or it CAN etch older porcelain. The thing is though, if your sign looked fine after the BKF then looked wierd after the wax, that tells me it wasn't the BKF that did it.

Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: chrisbowers] #140385
Mon May 11 2009 04:20 PM
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Thanks again for all the replies and PM's on this issue. I got home from work and spayed it with WD-40...It is now in the sun for a few hours. I will hit it again in the morning and leave it all day. I will let you all know how it turns out.


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: 1970mach] #140395
Mon May 11 2009 07:01 PM
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I have found that BKF can do more harm to certain porcelain colors then good, if put on with to much force, will leave the sign with permant fade and the more buffing etc that you do, will make it worse, and the gloss is gone forever, I rarely buy signs that I know have been cleaned with BKF, unless I can see it in person.
Just my thoughts

Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Hud Oil] #140458
Tue May 12 2009 05:33 PM
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Well I have soaked the signs in wd-40 and a 3 in 1 silicone spray for the past 30 hours and much to my satisfaction it has restored the color back to original. While the finish/gloss is not the same as the matching sign, I can at least live with the sign again. This problem has been eating me alive since it happened. I only wish I had taken a BEFORE picture of it prior to bathing it in wd-40. The difference is incredible. Attached is the cleaned and uncleaned sign. The sign on the right is the one that was cleaned. I think I have learned a valuable lesson through this process, that always try cleaning a small area of a sign first before going in guns a blazing! While I still believe BKF is an excellent product I think I will be more carefull in the future...and my next sign to clean is a 5ft Red Indian. I think on this one I will start with Easy Off oven cleaner first! Thanks again to all the people who replied to the post or just sent me PM's to provide me guidance on this one. This is a great site with a tremendous knowledge base....



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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: 1970mach] #140478
Tue May 12 2009 07:17 PM
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LET'S NOT FORGET THAT OTHER WONDERFUL PRODUCT MENTIONED ON SIMILAR SUBJECTS BEFORE....


"HOWARD'S FEED & WAX."


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Hud Oil] #140479
Tue May 12 2009 07:18 PM
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
your right about barkeepers doing harm to certain colors..thats why I don't use it anymore...I used glass stove top cleaner and extra fine steel wool and have never harmed the colors It will remove the rust stains....come on...what is porcelain? crushed baked glass....


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: texaspelican] #140488
Tue May 12 2009 09:38 PM
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Glad to hear the WD-40 worked. I tried using it a few times on some of the "rougher" Cobalt Blue Powerlube signs I've had over the years without much success. Perhaps I need to try BKF or the Howard's Feed and wax


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Hemibird] #140494
Wed May 13 2009 02:40 AM
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I'm glad to hear things worked out for the best. That's a great pair of signs.


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: lordparaffin] #140544
Wed May 13 2009 12:51 PM
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I don't want to rain on the parade, but...
I have heard that different people use diferent products to help "restore the shine" on some signs. I have heard of people using clear coat, vegatable oil, WD-40, furniture polish and other like products. In most cases, the "restored gloss" is only temporary. Some people even use it to shine a sign up so it will sell quicker at a show or look better in pictures for eBay. Again, some of the products do not restore the shine, only make it look better for a short while. One way to spot this at a show is a sign may be slippery, a sure sign that the sign may have help looking good. Most of the above mentioned products only give a temporary shine, they do not restore the original gloss. I would be surprised if WD-40 would make a permanent change.

This is another case of buyer beware, as the great shine on a sign may only be temporary.


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: gasoildude] #140556
Wed May 13 2009 03:45 PM
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Be careful with Bar Keepers Friend. I used it on some pump faces and it etched the gloss right off of them.

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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Utahsignguy] #140566
Wed May 13 2009 05:10 PM
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Before trying anything on a porcelain sign, test it on plain glass. IF it etches the glass, it will etch your sign.

Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Dick Bennett] #140572
Wed May 13 2009 05:28 PM
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I ALWAYS SAID THAT SOFT SCRUB W/BLEACH WAS BETTER THAN BKF! YOU JUST HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH IT.


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Re: Porcelain Sign Cleaning Nightmare..HELP!!! [Re: Dick Bennett] #140573
Wed May 13 2009 05:36 PM
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Wes, I realize that I will never have the original gloss on the sign as the matching twin has, my main concern was at least getting the colour to match, as it appeared as if the porcelain was etched and the blue became a couple of shades lighter. Using the Wd-40 if nothing else, makes the sign look presentable and good enough to hang in the garage again. I am ok with it being temoprary..I don't mind doing this a couple times a year if thats what it takes. I am happy the colour has returned, but I didn't go around high fiving my wife after claiming success with the WD-40. I wish I had never done this to such a pristine sign...as luck would have it it was the best of the two sign as well!!!!!!!!


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