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I found this pump over 10 years ago way off the beaten path by pure accident. I had a good conversation with the owner and left my contact info. with him. I stopped back by maybe twice in the past 10 years to check on it and to remind him of my interest in it. It finally paid off! I got a call from him last Friday and went and got it today. It was complete except for one of those little GULF emblem access doors at the bottom of the face bezel. I really need to find one! Please check your parts stash for one. I'd buy the access door or just the emblem if you have one.

Mike

...stainless top, or painted?...what make/model is it?

SS top (has old blue paint on it right now), corners, trim, etc. It's a Bennett and I could have swore the tag said model 86 but Jack's book shows this pump as model 85. I'll have to clean the tag and read it more carefully tomorrow.

Mike

...looks like an Erie dial face, but hard to tell for sure...when they sold these to farmers for rural accounts they often pieced together what worked from the boneyard...

...is the stainless top on this pump different from the one on your clockface?...I think I have this top, but don't know for sure what pump it goes on...

It does have Erie faces but tagged as a Bennett. Rich Burris and his Dad came over this evening and looked at it. They said they had a Bennett just like this one years ago and it also had the same Erie faces. It is the exact same top and same pump all together as my other Bennett clock GOC pump.

Mike

I sold that exact pump (With the little doors and emblems) at Dixie Gas in the spring, Mine also was a Bennett with Erie Faces

I gutted the pump today. The tag says Bennett model 86. The reason for the Erie faces appears to be because of a possible Erie computer? It is not like any veeder root I've seen on any pump. I see no veeder root markings on it anywhere either. It's definitely a strange looking and different computer. I think that would explain the other 2 here that were Bennett's with the same Erie faces as well. I guess Bennett was buying some meters from Erie and using their faces in the 1930's.

Mike

OR ERIE had a very large order from GULF & contracted BENNETT to help fill the order by deadline. Would also explain the same body style by 2 pump companies.

NICE...........

great story, ten+ years is a long time to wait for a pump.

Nice bit of history there guys!

...that body style was spec'd by Gulf Oil, and was used by the different pump companies who had contracts to provide pumps for Gulf Oil...the sheet metal and 'profile' would be the same no matter who made the pump, the details (stainless trim, nozzle fork, nozzle return bezel, on/off switch position, etc.) weren't spec'd and would differ between each company as they would use what they had...I have pumps made by National, Erie, Bennett, Gilbarco, and Tokheim - they all have the same tops and sheet metal, but differ in the ways mentioned above - and they don't have the same faces...

...the faces were replaced for their 'second life' as a farm pump...they weren't sent from the manufacturer brand new with a different companies' face on them...

...Phil McCauley has been looking for a side panel to a Gulf pump (under For Sale, Wanted) - the pump itself is much older than the pump face shown in the photos...the pump was reimaged in the late 1950's-early 1960's, that explains the later face on the earlier pump...the face removed from that pump would have sat around the jobber's boneyard, and picked up to replace a faded/missing face on a pump for a rural farm account...

I have seen those pumps with ID Tags from
Tokheim
Bennett
National
Erie
Show me the guts and I will tell you who's they are. All the ones I ever owned had a VEEDER ROOT computer in them.
As far as I know Veeder Root was the only computer that had THAT face plate hole configuration.
The Computer should look like this one if it is origional to the pump.....maybe not so clean.

Put the wrong one in at first...DUH & D'OH

This is an Erie meter, there was Also an older model w/ a slightly differently domed head...more round


An Erie meter has great gears in it...they can be used in construction of clocks.
Well worth stripping out for possible future use.
You guys GOT to stop trashing all the good stuff!!!!!
Just those to gears would cost a chunk to BUY them.
Who knows I might come out with a HOW TO BUILD YOUR OWN CLOCK BOOK ....someday

Oh yea.....
I have had a few of those pumps that had aluminum faces.
They had trays and side stairstep trim just like a 36-B.

Is it a non-computer?

I am curious to see what is in there

GF,
..the faces were replaced for their 'second life' as a farm pump...they weren't sent from the manufacturer brand new with a different companies' face on them..
Why would a jobber or re-builder swap out only the faces when most of the time he furnished the pump for farmer to use ? Farmers didn't care if the meter worked, but pump had to work. Most farmers filled the tractor/truck or a couple of cans [if tractor was left in field] before heading to the field.
I have removed many many pumps from farms/ranches where the meter [Clock & VR] had been disconnected & sight glasses by-passed.

I will have to disagree with Gulfiend on the faces. It's way too much of a coincidence that we now know of 3 of these Bennetts that had Erie faces. The farmer wouldn't have cared if it even had faces and neither would the jobber. Joe, it is a veeder root like you pictued once I got a closer look with the faces off. There's no way we'll ever know for sure but I like Dick's first theory better than any so far.

Mike

I have an access door if you are still interested. Not sure what to ask for it ?

gulfstuff, Interested in it, PM sent

Mike

...DB - rare exceptions notwithstanding, most people would want a dial face on their pump...jobbers had perfectly good faces left over from reimaging...they used them on pumps that did not...

...during the late 1950's reimaging, the stainless corners were removed on most GOC pumps, and the stepped tops were replaced with stainless domes...like the pump Phil has...some pumps (like Mike's) could not be reimaged as such, because the stainless corners hold the sides on...those pumps would have been sold to farmers (non-retail locations) after said reimaging...

...Mike - I'm sure it's more comforting to believe that you have an all original pump...if the faces were generic faces, with no pump company name, your theory would hold water...

...your logic says - three Bennett GOC pumps were found with Erie faces, you think that's too much for coincidence - therefore, they came from the factory like that...

...hmmmm...lots of pumps like yours are found without the little access doors with the Gulf logo...using your logic, one can assume they left the factory that way...why assume that one got lost along the way - even though that's more likely?

...if I have this right, in your scenario, the Bennett Pump Company says, 'gosh darn it, we're out of pump faces..what will we do?...I know - instead of calling the porcelain enamel or aluminum stamping company we do tons of business with, and putting in a rush order - we'll call our competitor and ask them if they want to help us out in our moment of need...and - I know - we'll repay the favor by not covering their company name on the dial face with a sticker or something...

...honestly, guys - what sounds more plausible?

(a) jobber uses parts at hand to complete a boneyard pump for "non-retail location" use, or

(b) Bennett puts Erie faces on their pumps

It must have been a common practice, I bought my few pumps in Maine, Vermont, and Mass., and the pumps are found down South the same way ??? Too much a coincidence they ALL seem to have Erie Faces, just Curious, Has anyone seen one with a Bennett face.

GULF OF ATLANTA,
HAD a big shop here at one time and they refurbished tons of pumps to be replaced into service...the original pumps had NON BRANDED aluminum faces, and we all know they don't hold up in the sun too well.

I never recall seeing any other KIND of METERS than ERIE in the cabinets whether it was National, Tok, Bennett,etc. They might have only used Erie meters due to the fact they were smaller and more compact in order to fit that cabinet and also have different ports to use on the back & bottom. The different ports could be used w/ different pump co. pumping units.
It could be that ERIE supplied the meters and wanted their name on the faces as part of the deal, when the pumps were remanufactured. Erie may have supplied the faces as long as Gulf bought NEW METERS, who knows. If that was the case why NOT put your name on it.
Show me a picture of the METER that came from that pump and it may shed more light on the mystery...OR some original drawings of the guts for all the different manufacturers of the pumps. I can't say the National I had came with an Erie meter, but I am positive it did NOT have a National Meter in it. An A-38 is the only pump I have seen a National meter in.
If at first they had Pittsburg meters in them, the Erie meter would have been the ONLY meter that would have interchanged with zero modification.

Lance..POGOGAS has a book where it shows drawings and measurements of clock pumps ( the one I saw was an American, and dated 1934) that were retro fitted w/ PITTSBURG meters ( A POSITIVE DISPLACEMENT TYPE METER )to replace the old flow meters. ERIE & PITTSBURG had some sort of connection at one time.
It could be that Erie bought Pittsburg to get the designs of THAT METER, because I have heard the oldtimers refer to them as PITTSBURG ERIE METERS....maybe Jack or someone may be able to shead more light on that one.???

Now.... if you have a pump like that w/ aluminum faces it is probably still original.
if it has porcelain faces on it , most likely it has been remanufactured.
If Gulf used ONLY ERIE meters in THAT cabinet....why wouldn't ALL the porcelain faces say ERIE ???????
I beleive the answer is in the guts, and whatever deal Gulf and Erie had with each other.
Afterall it is ERIE METER SYSTEMS as their logo/slogon....and why not try to get your name on someone elses pump? When the customer looks at the total, they see ERIE, not the ID tag on the side of the cabinet. Smart move for ERIE if that is the case.



Come to think of it, I had only one that had the Erie faces too, but it was tagged Erie.
All the others I had were aluminum faces, and were other manufacturers.

Gilbarco faces say calco meter on the face.....that is in reference to the METER, NOT the Computer.
METERS measure,
COMPUTERS calculate.

Joe, I will take a pic. of them. I do know that they had Pittsburg casted into both units.

Mike

Here's the guts Joe. 2 units say Pittsburg and the bottom pump has Service Station Equipment Co. on it.

If the METER has Pittsburg, Pittsburg Erie, or Erie on the dome that should be why ERIE is on the face instead of Bennett
It may just be that Bennett or Service Station Supply Co.
only made the cabinet.
I can also say that the Tokheim clock like that I had, did NOT have a Tokheim METER in it.
When I started working on pumps we were still rebuilding ERIE, Bowser meters. I can identify most of the meters from 193? up to 199?

I think what this site could use is a database of good quality pictures of the COMPLETE insides of the cabinets(both front and back) BEFORE they are gutted and BEFORE it is too late to do so. We have Jack's book for the outsides.
Make it a user built database that users can use/copy for free.
No one has access to all pumps and it would take a combined effort to do so.
No one person knows everything there is to know and there are a lot of mystery questions.
Maybe something like that would help folks without having to go through a lot of speculation.
It may help to see how your pump is supposed to go back together...etc.
Afterall a pic is worth a thousand words.
Leave some room for hints, on restoring, comments etc. for each pump listed. The pics would need to be in front of a solid background to keep visual info from getting scrambled into a collection like Jack says.
Plus it would be some MAJOR eye candy for most folks.
See it as being each ones contribution to the preservation of INFORMATION in the hobby.

Mystery solved.....
Bennett pumping unit,cabinet.... ERIE (pittsburg)meter & air eliminator.

Good job Joe, sounds good to me

"HYBRID PUMP"
Should sum it up.
I am sure that those GOC pumps are not the only ones like that.
I had a FRY pump once that Bob Bardwell saw and told me had Rush parts in it.