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Re: Erie 71 [Re: Dick Bennett] #162857
Wed Dec 02 2009 01:48 PM
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Is the one on that Erie pump in the picture an Erie part, or is it a Station Lighter from a different brand of pump that was retro-fitted? If that is actually an Erie part, is it as rare and impossible to find as the milk glass top?

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Re: Erie 71 [Re: coopwyo] #162858
Wed Dec 02 2009 01:56 PM
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Casting on Erie is for the Erie Pylon-lite, all through some generic station lighters will fit & will be easier to find than the glass top [& less expensive] or an Erie Pylon-lite.

Re: Erie 71 [Re: Dick Bennett] #162881
Wed Dec 02 2009 03:34 PM
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Ok guys. I can build a plastic vacform mold to make this top for around $5000.00 which includes materials. I would need an original top to measure so the part doesn't come out small and also use the top to show the vacforming facility to make sure my design of the mold would run in their facility. These parts would be made out of plastic that is the same as current box type sign are now. I honestly have no idea of how the top would fair in the outdoors. I think it should last the same as current box signs do now. The mold would have a life of maybe 100 parts before it would need to be replaced.

Re: Erie 71 [Re: oilmanpat] #162898
Wed Dec 02 2009 04:45 PM
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You'll have to sell 20 @ $250 ea just to pay for mold, & that's not counting the rejects/2nds Plus you'll be doing them for Free [because your a NICE GUY !].

So how many are Really Willing to step up & pay $350-400 ?

Convert your pumps to hold regular globes, you'll be happier in the long run.
jm2c

Re: Erie 71 [Re: Dick Bennett] #162965
Wed Dec 02 2009 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
You'll have to sell 20 @ $250 ea just to pay for mold, & that's not counting the rejects/2nds Plus you'll be doing them for Free [because your a NICE GUY !].

So how many are Really Willing to step up & pay $350-400 ?

Convert your pumps to hold regular globes, you'll be happier in the long run.
jm2c


$350-400 is a fair price for a repop top, in my opinion.

Re: Erie 71 [Re: badgas] #162973
Wed Dec 02 2009 10:09 PM
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If I can't come up with an original, I'd take one.

Re: Erie 71 [Re: coopwyo] #163022
Thu Dec 03 2009 09:38 AM
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I would also take a plastic or glass reproduction. If a good glass repro could be made, I would be glad to pay $500 or so for it. If it were plastic/acrylic then $250 or so would be a fair price. As others have said, the market is there if someone will just make it.

Re: Erie 71 [Re: archimedes] #163043
Thu Dec 03 2009 12:13 PM
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This site has over 11,000+ members & yet in this & other threads about the ERIE GLASS TOP, less than 20 have said they would step up to buy a repo. That is not enough to justify a production run.
I've talked to the guy that did the 36B repo plastic top & he is not interested in doing this top.


Re: Erie 71 [Re: coopwyo] #163193
Fri Dec 04 2009 11:35 AM
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We need a door catch like the one in the picture for the Erie 71 my class is restoring. If anyone has a trashed door with a catch on it that they could cut off for us, please let me know. Still looking for a milk glass top as well -- please help!!!!

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Re: Erie 71 [Re: coopwyo] #163292
Sat Dec 05 2009 10:35 AM
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I'm still looking for the sheet metal top. I am lucky enough to have an original Cleveland Petrol globe for mine.

Anyone producing the sheet metal? I would mould one in fiberglass if I had a pattern, no problem but I'm in the UK and I don't know anyone with one to copy.

Any ideas?

Re: Erie 71 [Re: Classicfix] #163364
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After reading through all these posts, it appears that a lot of the reason someone doesn't make a reproduction is that the veteran members want to protect the outrageous value of their original glass tops.

Re: Erie 71 [Re: powerdog55] #163409
Sat Dec 05 2009 08:33 PM
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Powerdog55:

If you want to pony up the approximately $7,000.00 it would take to have these reproduced in PLASTIC (not glass, glass would be much more) - I'll personally deliver my 'outragously valued' original glass top to your mold maker to use as a pattern.

Just have your tooling guy contact me.

My e-mail address is all over my web site. Just 'click' on the graphic below.

Later . . .

Jim

Re: Erie 71 [Re: T-way] #163424
Sun Dec 06 2009 06:49 AM
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If you do not make parts you can not understand. There are mabe 20 people that say they want them when it comes down to it mabe five of them will come up with $$$. So you invest in tooling and have to make at least 50 ( a lifetime supply) mabe you sell 35 amd get most of you money back. Does this sound like something you want to do?

Re: Erie 71 [Re: ward zaharia] #163448
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Are trying to say that there are only 35 unrestored Erie pumps out there? I doubt it. It also sounds like you are assuming everyone trying to restore a pump is cheap. I'd certainly rather pay $500.00 for a good reproduction than the $5000 you think your originals are worth. Oilmanpat already said he can get a mold made for around $5000 -- why don't you graciously offer your top to him so he can get it done?

Re: Erie 71 [Re: powerdog55] #163451
Sun Dec 06 2009 08:50 AM
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Money is the main factor on getting them made. As most of us are common joes that go to work every day to pay the bills & put food on the table we cant come up with that kind of money to make the molds. Plus not everyone will want to pay $500 or more for a top. If you pay to make the mold you have to pay for the material plus the factory to do the molds for you. That could cost another $2500 at least. So lets just say $7000 to $10,000 to get this done. Most people that I know in this hobby can not afford this. Plus not everyone that needs a top will pay that kind of money for one.


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