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#160042 - Sat Nov 14 2009 09:24 PM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: strnge]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...we should use the power of Oldgas and report every phony listing this guy comes up with to eBay...enough complaints and he'll be gone...

...here's another fake sign being passed off as old...it looks like it might be something Vintage Concepts did a while ago, to judge by the very small code in the right hand corner of both sides of the sign...can anyone confirm?...I know this sign is fake, just don't knnow if VC Signs had anything to do with it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380176010818
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#160110 - Sun Nov 15 2009 12:12 PM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: gulfiend!]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...$414.09 with a little more than 8 hours left...

...just heard back from VC Signs, and the sign in question was indeed made in 1999, and clearly marked as such...

...I just emailed the seller again, and told him...let's see if he'll 'man up' and tell the unlucky high bidder the truth...he's going to learn the truth one way or another...
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#160193 - Sun Nov 15 2009 09:32 PM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: gulfiend!]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
champion sign brought 565.00....whew
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#160214 - Sun Nov 15 2009 11:02 PM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: gulfiend!]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
This is a partial email I sent Ray about his reproduction champion flange sign.

RAY SHOPPE, ARE YOU AWARE THE CHAMPION SIGN YOU ARE SELLING WAS MADE BY VC SIGNS IN 1999. RAY TYPE IN OLDGAS.COM....

Randy, I read it ..and was really shocked when I read your wonderful comment you left "Hope you didnt get it from Treasureray" about my Shell signs also?? Whats with that *****?? after all the stuff I sold you over the years?? BTW they are NOT fake and different companies made the Damn shell signs over the years and some WERE NOT MARKED OR DATED?? Maybe yours is.. who knows? I also answered your string holder question.. And the Pepsi String Holders I said were made in the 70s I believe ..I guess you didnt read it before leaving the other damn comment you left!! Especially After I just sold you a super rare PArd Dog Food clock also ,, but you dont even mention how damn nice it was or all the great items you bought from me over the years!! Only BS comments you left,,,Thanks Randy..
And not one of those cheap ***** ******s have ever bought or seen any of my supposed repos...and most of those trailer park hillbullys from NC wouldnt know the difference anyway!!
Ray...

Ray always has some original items mixed with reproductions-

Ray defiantly dosen't think to much of us OLDGASERS

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#160237 - Mon Nov 16 2009 08:05 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: advertologist]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...great!...you mean he's reading our forum?....that's awesome - I only hope he decides to come to one of the many gas shows I and my fellow 'NC hillbullys' attend, and introduces himself...after the emails I've received from him, we'll have lots to talk about...

...hey Ray - I'll be emailing your high bidder after he leaves feedback for this sign, and telling him the truth about it...have you decided how are you going to ask him NOT to leave feedback?...won't that be awkward for you!
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#160366 - Mon Nov 16 2009 10:12 PM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: gulfiend!]
t-ray Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 16 2009
Loc: Indiana
First of all, I don't post on forums but thought I would after all the negative comments posted here about me! Yes I buy and sell on Ebay ..and If someone receives an item, doesn't like it when they get it, I will give a refund after its returned. This is my policy and is the way I do business on Ebay. Paypal also protects a buyer as well.
I dont claim to be an expert or "SignGod", like some people here but I try to
describe an item as best as I can with hi-res photos.
Re: Auctions.. I am not deleting an ongoing auction or editing an Ebay description just because someone emails looking at just a photo from my auction, and from that, thinks it might not be an original? Especially when it is "Gulfiend".. the NC Hillbilly I referred to earlier! He sells on Ebay with name "single-g" and just sold an All 100% Original Neon Rexall Sign, item #150386091708 for $2000. After disputing his 70s Clear Neon tubing wasnt original to that Rexall Sign and his laughable BS description,he has been on a mission ever since. How could a 1940s Rexall Sign with all that rust needing sheet metal replaced still have the Original Glass Neon?
And just because "Advertologist" owns 4 Shell signs with AM on it doesnt mean one sold w/o AM isnt original. Mine and This beat up one on Ebay item # 260502637575 doesnt have AM on it so maybe the 4?? "Advertologist" own are fakes?? Why would a collector own 4 of the exact same sign anyway?
Sorry but I never bought any sign that came with a COA either.. especially when your at a weekend swap meet or out of town show! Some dealers ...like "Gulfiend", will take your money and then head for the hills. And good luck getting a refund from them when you arrive to pick it up "seeing in person" your rusted & rotted $2000 Rexall Sign you bought. Of course, His description says "All Sales Final" for that sign so he isnt responsible.
I thought VC Signs only made porcelain signs, so if they did make a Champion sign then I am sure it was only 100 (like the porcelain ones) and now 10 yrs later are quite valuable also. If my buyer doesnt want the sign I will gladly give him a refund, but I will allow him to look it over and then decide for himself.
T-Ray

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#160381 - Tue Nov 17 2009 12:09 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: gulfiend!]
freddiesgarage Offline
Active Member

Registered: Tue Oct 16 2007
Loc: Missoula, Montana
The recent "Frontier Casino" pump topper that ended yesterday, sold for $90.00! I believe it to be a re-production too. I asked "treasureray" if it was original and he said that he bought a large amount of them and a guy he said they were original! Just another example of deception.

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#160383 - Tue Nov 17 2009 05:43 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: freddiesgarage]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
T-ray, Welcome to Oldgas smile smile
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#160384 - Tue Nov 17 2009 06:08 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: KZ1000]
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#160396 - Tue Nov 17 2009 07:45 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: Oldgas]
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
freddiesgarage..... i have to agree with you....after seeing this happen for at least 20 years & pre ebay, you start to wonder....i understand a person getting fooled & buying a repo or fatansy piece a few times however getting stung time after time of multiple items & different versions of the same items seems unrealistic.....then when it happens with clocks, celluloid coca cola buttons, toppers, signs etc. etc. etc., things just get a little suspicious ... ...while it seems very obvious most of these types of sellers know what they are doing, they stand behind, i give full refunds....that is very nice but what about the other 95% of the people who do get this garbage & think it original???.......its also denial when you can't address the problem & throw a smoke screen up blaming the other guy for some insignificant minor problem thats exaggerated & blown out of proportion.......

I love ebay & will never stop buying there.....its a fantastic place to get a bargain & a greatr piece you may never see anywhere else, however its a great place to get ripped off also.....if you don't know what you are buying, do some research & ask some of the experts..........
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#160397 - Tue Nov 17 2009 07:57 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: roadrelics]
Terry Flannery Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Jun 20 2001
Loc: Goodman WI USA
Do as I do, don't buy anything off Ebay. I'm not registered on Ebay,never was, never will. Life is good without Ebay guys.

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#160398 - Tue Nov 17 2009 08:03 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: roadrelics]
t-ray Offline
Active Member

Registered: Mon Nov 16 2009
Loc: Indiana
Freddie...YOU BELIEVE??? just because I was honest enough to tell you I bought a stack of them when I was in Vegas?? The Pioneer topper ISNT a Pump Topper.. and excuse me for buying a quantity for resale?? I guess you wouldnt??

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#160399 - Tue Nov 17 2009 08:09 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: t-ray]
t-ray Offline
Active Member

Registered: Mon Nov 16 2009
Loc: Indiana
ROADRELICS
I see your still selling those daggone AC SPARKPLUG BIRDECAGES for $975 time after time after all these years? Wow, That must have been some huge Mobil Garage to hold all of those Birdcages in their attic? I saw the one you had in Springfield for just $550.. but I guess that one was a "second" huh? Strange all yours are missing all the "Old Sparkplugs" also? I guess they fell out of the boxes while you were moving them out of the attic, huh? BTW are you and the guy in Ohio still best friends...you know the one that makes entire Neon Cleveland Clocks and repo clock faces?

Why would one garage keeper have so many, as the sales reps gave one to a
customer, maybe two if he was ****ing his daughter, not the hundred or so
that you have sold !!!!!

Strange ALL Your clock faces are always MINT!! Most I have ever seen are worn!

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#160404 - Tue Nov 17 2009 08:53 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: t-ray]
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
there we go folks "more smoke" from ray..... he has it down pat....


just for fun Ray i'll put a photo here for you of the original boxes they came in, dated with a post office ship date...i usually don't stoop this low to even answer somebody who is trying to put up a smoke screen , however you are an exception.....i don't think you really know me ray , i don't go or setup at the Springfield show however i see you all time at the "indy ad show"...looking for old clock cases & other types of cases to put new faces in....some of us know all of your tricks


as far as talking about my friends from ohio who makes repo neon clocks thats "WAYNE WOODRUM" & most people into clocks know Woody & you're right he is a friend of mine & a stand up guy who tells people his clocks are repo........hey Ray here is one shelf of my many original clocks & i have 100's, i sure don't need to buy your made up fake fantasy stuff....


hey ray, lets see some of your original boxes or any kind of documentation from your many different lines of multiples......i am sure good ol ray will come up with some more smoke how i could get these boxes anywhere & put all these cages in them, then seal them up, then put an original post office tag with the date of 1951 on the big original box.... believe me he will have an answer to deflect the interest in the original topic about the shell kerosene flange which i would bet my life savings, is a repo.....do you wana take me up on it ray??? we will have an independent expert then have a carbon dated paint test....My bird cages against your flanges for all the money ray ??? seems like a good bet to me if you are sure of your merchandice.....

lets see, i will bet he puts up a smoke screen about my porcelain neons next & will not want anything to do with this bet........


just to set straight some of the lies, i have never sold one on ebay for $975, check my feedback, these boxes never came with original sparks plug, the dealer was suppose to put his old ones in which were appropiate , read the display......












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#160406 - Tue Nov 17 2009 09:19 AM Re: Shell Kerosene flange sign [Re: roadrelics]
Seth Robbins Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
Darryl....there is no need for you to justify, better yet DIGNIFY the accusations leveled by this guy.

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