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#160212 - Sun Nov 15 2009 10:44 PM QUESTION
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Can anyone please tell me what the word "Pre-Visible" means?

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#160216 - Mon Nov 16 2009 01:06 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: Jack Sim]
archer2 Offline
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Registered: Sat Nov 25 2006
Loc: Marshall Va USA
Well, pre would mean before. And visible means capable of being seen. So I would say it is before you were able to see something. Perhaps like terminology that is being used now that you were not aware of.
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#160219 - Mon Nov 16 2009 03:36 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: archer2]
gaspumpgary Offline
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Registered: Tue Jun 25 2002
Loc: Glentham, Lincolnshire england
Invisible!

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#160221 - Mon Nov 16 2009 05:31 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: gaspumpgary]
gasmansgp Offline
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Registered: Mon Feb 24 2003
Loc: Severn, Maryland USA
Dates the gas pumps used before the late teens.. and twenties. Thereafter pumps, in most cases, had a glass cylinder to allow the gasoline to be viewed. Jack, you of all people should know this?

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#160223 - Mon Nov 16 2009 05:53 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: gasmansgp]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
Curb Pump.
That term has been around since I started doing this.
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#160224 - Mon Nov 16 2009 06:01 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: jkyocom]
Oldgas Offline
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Loc: South of St. Louis, MO USA
I think Jack may be trying to make the point that some "Pre-visibles" were used at the same time as visibles and even electrics. The visible pump was really a marketing invention to assure gasoline buyers of purity and accurate measured volume. In applications where those issues were not important, as on a farm or industry, pumps with no glass cylinder or sight glass stayed in use for many decades.
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#160227 - Mon Nov 16 2009 06:46 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: Oldgas]
Ohio Oil Offline
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Registered: Fri May 23 2003
Loc: Northwest Ohio
It's in the common man's petroliana dictionary, you'll find it right after lubester.

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#160229 - Mon Nov 16 2009 06:47 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: Oldgas]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
I beleive Pre-visible for curb pump, meter for computer, lubester and other terms were used in the hobby's infantcy for lack of the correct terminology.
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#160230 - Mon Nov 16 2009 07:02 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: jkyocom]
Ohio Oil Offline
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Registered: Fri May 23 2003
Loc: Northwest Ohio
What's a clockface pump?

What's a Roman gas pump?

Is there such a thing as a gas pump at all, maybe they're all just petroleum product dispensers. smile

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#160238 - Mon Nov 16 2009 08:33 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: Ohio Oil]
hillsideshortleg Offline
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Registered: Sat May 30 2009
Loc: Spokane, Washington
I think the "Clock Face Pump" was invented for the game show "the Price is Right" as seen in earlier post.

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#160246 - Mon Nov 16 2009 09:26 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: hillsideshortleg]
Ryan Fortner Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 05 2001
Loc: Houston Tx USA
They are all gas "tanks" as my better half would say!!

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#160255 - Mon Nov 16 2009 10:40 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: Ryan Fortner]
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
I think Joe hit it "Curb Pump". I will add hand pumped or cranked fuel dispenser smile
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#160260 - Mon Nov 16 2009 11:22 AM Re: QUESTION [Re: gasoildude]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Pre-Visible: GENERIC term used Loosely to describe any 1-5 gal. pump used for dispensing liquids @ hardware stores, paint stores, commercial, carriage houses, stations etc. & not having a 5/10 gal glass cylinder. Some of these type pumps were still being made into the 50's as a low cost way of pumping liquids.
Curb pump: any pump having a cover that could be locked when not in use that sat on curb next to roadway.
Lubester: GENERIC term used Loosely for any oil/grease/thinner dispenser found around old stations/farms/hardware & paint stores. Mostly used to describe 15-60 gal tanks w/ 1qt & 1gal pumps on top.
[ BOWSER was the only company that ever used the word LUBE-STER for a product they made/sold.]

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#160275 - Mon Nov 16 2009 02:11 PM Re: QUESTION [Re: Dick Bennett]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Without going to your Gas Pump ID book, which of these pumps are "pre-visible" which is a "post-visible" and which is a visible. Remember, you cannot look these up, you must do it from memory, and if anyone truthfully get all correct, email me and I will send you a free copy of my Air book.

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.

Jack Sim
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#160277 - Mon Nov 16 2009 02:23 PM Re: QUESTION [Re: Dick Bennett]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
Ohio,
If the pumping unit is in the cabinet it is a pump, if the pumping unit is in the tank, it is a dispenser.....for electric computer cabinets anyway......
Actually if the pumping unit/guts are removed, you don't have a restored pump, you have a restored cabinet.
There are also what are called satellites...
used to fill other side tank on trucks.

Now is this considered a rotory hand pump or a rotory clockface pump?,
It is a pump w/ a clockface...but not old enough to pre-date visibles. I guess most would call it a farm pump....but then it might be called a dispenser,,,I don't know , I have never seen the liturature.

Even though this pre-dates visibles by several years, I don't refer to something like this as pre-visible.


In all my days of doing this, Pre-Visible, to me, means... The pumps that came out just before the introduction of visible measure...such as a
CURB PUMP, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN RETROFITTED W/ A CYLINDER.
Pre-visible could, by terminology pertain to ANY pump made before they had glass cylinders on pumps to display amount being delivered.....but then the first Tokheim pump had a glass dome ...is it considered a visible?
Seriously... this speculation could go on indefinatly!!!!!

They are what the manufacturer named them.

Untill I came up with a working clock unit to replace missing units,
has the term "REPLACEMENT CLOCK" ever been used before?
That is what I finaly decided to call the ones built to fit in place of an original clock unit.
They are not reproductions or copies or counterfiet since the guts/frames are of my own design.

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