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#161788 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:04 PM Need help restoring this Wayne 60- Parts ???
LAWFISH Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 16 2004
Loc: Idaho
OK, you guys really helped me to answer a few ???. Now I have some more. OK, I have a few questions- I have all the parts left for this pump layed out. I am obvioulsy missing osme items for the outside of th epump, ect, but I have a few ? regarding whats here.

First, the plate that came with th epump, says Mod-70????

second the bowl/ glass round retainers---- How do you get them apart???? I have one thats unscrewed and no issue. the second?????? I used penetrating oil, ect and tried a block of wood an dhamer,-- no budging. Am I better off just buying a set and the glass bowls which are missing? and th eglass bowls, how do they attach to the round retainers? There appears to be no flange area like other pumps I have done.

ok, I have other parts that came with it, that look like hinges, this pump does not appear to have hinges,---???? Any ideas????

also I have a set of brass bolt/ screws round head. I guess tthose are for the front? I have some screws in it now to hold thing sin place on the line up check point. Then there are screws with springs??? any ideas?

thanks Dave I will add pics.

also I have used some repop rounded top curved frame portion. Now the sheet metal when connected to the front, is short to the back flange area by a half inch or so. Any suggestion. This pump was tweeked and I didnt know it prior to painting. To straighten it now would requires redoing/ painting it, si I am just trying to fab it as best as possible. If I moved the front face plate up to match then top, then I will have a less noticable gap at the bottom, but then the screw holes wont line up? I have learned to put it together and make sure it all fits prior to paint an dbody work!!!!!!

pics have been attached to page two of the thread. thanks for any assistance or suggestions.

Dave





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Edited by LAWFISH (Wed Nov 25 2009 03:28 PM)

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#161789 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:07 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: LAWFISH]
keithia Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 14 2001
Loc: USA
Wayne 60. Original clock??
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#161790 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:10 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: LAWFISH]
K W FRITH Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
Dave--What you have is a Wayne 866 and its nothing more than the clockface version of a Wayne 60. The globe holder for a Wayne 60 will work just fine on this pump. I did run into an occasion where I was working on restoring a Wayne 60 that did not have a globe mount on top and I had ordered a repop one and when I received it, it just wouldn't fit right, so I used the smaller rounded globe mount instead. It was probably in the mount rather than the pump tho, as the tops are all the same for those pumps. Only difference is between wide and narrow. So go ahead and order away!!!!
By the way--I can't see from the pictures as to what you're using for hardware but my advice is to order one of the repop screw kits from the parts house. They really make the finished pump look good!!! JMO


Edited by K W FRITH (Wed Nov 25 2009 01:13 PM)
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#161792 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:26 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: K W FRITH]
K W FRITH Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
I read back and can't tell you why Ron called it a 40?? Probably a typing error!! Heres a picture of the pump I had trouble with on the top.
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#161795 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:29 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: K W FRITH]
kentjay56 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 02 2005
Loc: Clallam Bay,Wash. USA
What Ron was saying was that the picture he was showing was of a Wayne 40 and that the 40 and the 60 use the same twist clips and protecters. Your pump is a 60/866 model.

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#161796 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:35 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: K W FRITH]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
The Top sheet metal IS different on the Wide vs Narrow, will NOT interchange.
Side panels, doors & bezels are the same

IF it's an original Clock face it's an 866, if not then it's a standard 60 w/ a clock kit.

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#161797 - Wed Nov 25 2009 01:54 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: Dick Bennett]
K W FRITH Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
the tops are all the same for those pumps. Only difference is between wide and narrow.

Dick--Read again, I stated that the only diff was between wide & narrow!--KEVIN
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#161798 - Wed Nov 25 2009 02:09 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: kentjay56]
LAWFISH Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 16 2004
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: kentjay56
What Ron was saying was that the picture he was showing was of a Wayne 40 and that the 40 and the 60 use the same twist clips and protecters. Your pump is a 60/866 model.


No I bought it with the repop clock face kit. It was a project that someone lost interest in. I am putting it together and its a mess. It was hit or something and I didnt straighten the frame out or check it out before I painted it. Its not off by much, but its enough to make it a total pain in the tail. It also came with the repop top curved frame pieces and now the top rounded sheet metal is a half inch too short!!!!!!! So I am going back in to stare at it and decide what to try and do with it. Its going in a room with a mirror behind it, so it shows real bad there!!!!

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#161799 - Wed Nov 25 2009 02:10 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: K W FRITH]
LAWFISH Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Jan 16 2004
Loc: Idaho
Oh and thanks for the quick responses. I want to get the globe bezel ordered ASAP, who best for this and quick shipping?

I am working on trying to get custom decals made for th epump and globe. I know there is a great guy out there, but I cant afford the high dollar stuff. Not rtying to be cheap, but the pump is not worthy of high dollar stuff.

Thanks a ton again guys

Dave

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#161800 - Wed Nov 25 2009 02:18 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: K W FRITH]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
If I am not mistaken the small round globe bezel fits narrow body, the big ornate globe bezel fits wide body.
It looks like a narrow top on a wide frame.

Always suspect "FRANKENSTIENED" or "basket case" pumps.
It's like a "box of chocolates".... eek
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#161804 - Wed Nov 25 2009 02:44 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: jkyocom]
K W FRITH Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
Joe--The pump that I had trouble with is pictured and its a wide body? Don't know if it was a misfit globe collar or what but it just didn't fit right, so I used the small round one.
You sure might be right on the top tho as there is a difference in the two. They fit awfully tight but theres no way there should be 1/2 inch space left over???
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#161806 - Wed Nov 25 2009 03:20 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: LAWFISH]
LAWFISH Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Jan 16 2004
Loc: Idaho
OK, I have a few questions- I have all the parts left for this pump layed out. I am obvioulsy missing osme items for the outside of th epump, ect, but I have a few ? regarding whats here.

First, the plate that came with th epump, says Mod-70????

second the bowl/ glass round retainers---- How do you get them apart???? I have one thats unscrewed and no issue. the second?????? I used penetrating oil, ect and tried a block of wood an dhamer,-- no budging. Am I better off just buying a set and the glass bowls which are missing? and th eglass bowls, how do they attach to the round retainers? There appears to be no flange area like other pumps I have done.

ok, I have other parts that came with it, that look like hinges, this pump does not appear to have hinges,---???? Any ideas????

also I have a set of brass bolt/ screws round head. I guess tthose are for the front? I have some screws in it now to hold thing sin place on the line up check point. Then there are screws with springs??? any ideas?

thanks Dave I will add pics.


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#161807 - Wed Nov 25 2009 03:26 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: LAWFISH]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
For pictures of both the 40 and the 60 go to this page on my website:

http://www.petrolianacollectibles.com/wayne%20pumps.htm

Just click on whatever model number you want to look at, it is all free.

I also have a 352 page Gas Pump Identification book available, autographed by me, the author at:

www.petrocollect.com

Jack Sim
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#161810 - Wed Nov 25 2009 04:18 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: LAWFISH]
kentjay56 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Jan 02 2005
Loc: Clallam Bay,Wash. USA
My guess on your top sheet metal not fitting properly lies with the repop top curved arches. They may be a little bit thicker where the sheet metal rests on them which would make the sheet metal seem too short. Also check for little tweeks in the sheet metal where it rests on the arches. A little tweek in that area makes a lot of difference in the fit of the top sheet metal. Kent.

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#161812 - Wed Nov 25 2009 04:28 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: kentjay56]
kentjay56 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 02 2005
Loc: Clallam Bay,Wash. USA
One other thing that could be is the arches are just plain to tall when repoped. Because it looks like the side sheet metal doen't fit quite right either. Looks like the seam is too wide between the side sheet metal and the arch.

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#161816 - Wed Nov 25 2009 04:39 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: kentjay56]
LAWFISH Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Jan 16 2004
Loc: Idaho
kentjay, I believe you are correct. I think its just the way its repoped. The are pulled taunt over the rounded edge and still too short. I am not trying to do a perfect pump, so this side may get a chrome accent piece or something-- I know its wrong, but I dont want to redo and spend a fortune doing the pump, its a MOPAR accent for the MOPAR room.

Dave

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#161818 - Wed Nov 25 2009 04:50 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: kentjay56]
kentjay56 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 02 2005
Loc: Clallam Bay,Wash. USA
The screwws with the springs attach the horse shoe piece to the back of the front face plate panel and there should be about 10 of those. The big round head slotted screwws attach the front face panel to the main frame. Ya need 8 of them. Ya got about 3 extra ones of those. If I remember right, there are 4 spring screws holding on the add glasses too. SOOOO, ya need about 18 of them screws with springs. Kent.

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#161825 - Wed Nov 25 2009 06:22 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: kentjay56]
kentjay56 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 02 2005
Loc: Clallam Bay,Wash. USA
One last little tid bit here Dave. If you don't get that sheet metal top to fit just right, your site glasses will not fit thru the holes in the top sheet metal and the big nuts will not screw back on the site glasses. My opinion on your situation would be to get some arches that fit correctly. You certainly don't want to ruin the top by enlarging the holes for the site glasses. I am sure you can get some descent ones from someone on here? Kent.

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#161859 - Wed Nov 25 2009 11:13 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: kentjay56]
MATT ALVAREZ Offline
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Registered: Sat Sep 23 2006
Loc: Cameron Park,Ca.
I would try to grind off about 1/8 inch off the bottum of the arches.
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#161860 - Wed Nov 25 2009 11:55 PM Re: What type of pump am I restoring??? [Re: MATT ALVAREZ]
kentjay56 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Jan 02 2005
Loc: Clallam Bay,Wash. USA
By grinding off material on the bottom of the arches, you will change the hole position where the side sheet metal screws on. This will change the total hight of the arches but it won't change the hole position where the sheet metal top screws on. Kent.

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