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#162022 - Fri Nov 27 2009 12:13 PM Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign?
Rich Taylor Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 05 2006
Loc: San Jose, CA. U.S.A.
A old sign that has faded due to years of exposure to sunlight and cannot be polished.
What to do? Is clear coating an old porcelain sign a option? The clear coating is not a big deal to remove latter if desired with paint stripper but do you feel it devalues a vintage sign? What do you think about a portion of the sign being clear coated to give the sign an over all nice shine? How many of you out there have vintage signs with one faded color with the other colors still with a nice gloss? I know all these signs were made to be used for just a few years with little thought for finish fade or changes in colors after years of sun light exposure. But for us collectors today, that wish to display them for are own enjoyment and hopefully as close to what these signs would have looked like in the day; is it wrong to clear coat them? Any thoughts on this subject? Happy Holidays: Rich Taylor

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#162027 - Fri Nov 27 2009 12:47 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: Rich Taylor]
Old Iron Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 10 2009
Loc: New Mexico
Hi Rich,
Good post. I think you are going to get a wide variety of opinions; the blue on Powerlube and Indian pump plates?

Personally, I don't do it. I prefer to display signs that have "aged gracefully". IMHO.

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#162030 - Fri Nov 27 2009 12:58 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: Rich Taylor]
Roger Loupias Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 15 2009
Loc: Reno, Nevada
Ive learned one thing from this site, that anytime you have any rare or unique collectable sign you just leave it and ponder over all its misery its been thru for it to be like this, in its original state. Dont get me wrong, I restore my pumps and do base coat clear coat myself and love the clean reflection it leaves, and Ive done signs as well with no regrets. Just watch what you do to a collector sign because the the more you monkey with it the less market value it may have. These big time sign collector guys are about to tell you. Roger

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#162032 - Fri Nov 27 2009 01:24 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: Roger Loupias]
Koolmotor Offline
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Registered: Mon Feb 04 2002
Loc: North Dakota
CLEAR COAT AWAY!!! If done properly the sign will look fabulous and just like you indicated, the clear coat can be easily removed. I had a Cities Service sign that had no chips but was extremely faded. I tried various waxes and polishing compound but no luck. I applied several clear coats and the sign looked great - just ask the Texaspelican. It is your sign, do as you like, but tell a potential buyer that it has been clear coated.

Koolmotor

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#162033 - Fri Nov 27 2009 01:32 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: Koolmotor]
THE AMERICAN GARAGE Offline
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Registered: Wed Jun 02 2004
Loc: PECONIC BAY, L.I., NY, USA
ABOUT THE ONLY THING I CONSIDER CLEAR-COATING ARE PORCELAIN SIGNS. IF I SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE...I TELL THEM. BESIDES IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT...PAINT REMOVER WILL REMOVE THE CLEAR-COAT AND THE SIGN WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL.
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#162034 - Fri Nov 27 2009 01:48 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: THE AMERICAN GARAGE]
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
I agree with everything said so far. But one thing you have to remember if the sign has a lot of shelling or the porcelain is rough that can pose problems later. Example if you clear coat the sign & later you want to strip it off if the sign has a lot of shelling the porcelain can be discolored or stained. It could turn the white into gray or darken other colors. Then the sign would be worth less than before. If it was me & it was a rarer sign or highly graphic sign I would leave it alone smile
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#162043 - Fri Nov 27 2009 02:11 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: gasoildude]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...pumps were made to be repainted - signs, globe lenses, quart cans, etc. were not...even if you do the right thing and tell the guy who buys the piece from you down the road what you've done, there's no guarantee he will share your sense of fair play when he decides to sell (and there's plenty of poorly-informed buyers out there)...

...when you decide to sell, if the sign's rough you only have one thing to apologize for during your sales pitch - the condition...start monkeying with it and the more 'salesmanship' you have to do...

...with an unrestored sign, you pretty much know what you're getting...

...I say leave it alone...if you like it, live with it...if not, pony up some more 'lettuce' and get a better one...

...I see signs that have an issue or two that have been touched-up and think, 'I wish they would have left that alone'...
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#162075 - Fri Nov 27 2009 06:09 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: gulfiend!]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
A trick that has worked wonders for me, Especially if it is just sections of a sign, is WD-40, lay the sign down, spray it with WD-40 and let it sit in the sun for a little while, Then just wipe it off like you would dust, It will be a little greasy for a bit, but will last a long time, eventually the fading may come back if left outside but nothing lost, If left inside, will stay like that until you actually wash it off. I have also done it with complete faded signs with same result.
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#162080 - Fri Nov 27 2009 06:50 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: KZ1000]
THE AMERICAN GARAGE Offline
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Registered: Wed Jun 02 2004
Loc: PECONIC BAY, L.I., NY, USA
ADDING TO THE WD-40 IDEA ON FADED PORC SIGNS IS THAT PRODUCTS CALLED HOWARDS FEED & WAX. IT'S A CITRUS POLISH FOR FURNITURE, BUT WIPED ON AND BUFFED ACROSS A PORC SIGN, IT HOLDS IT VERY WELL IF DISPLAYED INSIDE.


Edited by THE AMERICAN GARAGE (Fri Nov 27 2009 06:50 PM)
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#162105 - Fri Nov 27 2009 08:06 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: THE AMERICAN GARAGE]
HI-OCTANE Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 07 2008
Loc: Albuquerque, N. M.
I would say the clear coating dose brighten them up. But depends on the damage also. But if you plan on selling it. a collector will be totality turn off . I agree with AMERICAN GARAGE on the Howards Feed-n wax. Good luck.

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#162109 - Fri Nov 27 2009 08:42 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: HI-OCTANE]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
Another product that I have found that works real good on porcelain to take the dullness away and make them shine like new is "Baby Oil", last so long like the other products and then needs to be re-done.
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#162119 - Fri Nov 27 2009 09:14 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: advertologist]
coheley5 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu Jun 11 2009
Loc: Georgia
Have used car cutting wax to remove all the old dirt and grease and the best wax I have found is called ICE, I wax all my signs with it and it gives a clear coat look for about four months and then I rewax.The only signs I ever clear coat are painted ones that are flaking and you could lose anyway.


Edited by coheley5 (Fri Nov 27 2009 09:29 PM)
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#162241 - Sat Nov 28 2009 07:56 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: coheley5]
57-Chevy Online   content
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Registered: Fri Oct 13 2000
Loc: Locust, NC
Clear It!!!!! Enjoy it!!! We only have a short time here on Earth and NONE of this STUFF will ever matter in the end!! God Bless!!

Michael

Romans 6:23
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#162243 - Sat Nov 28 2009 07:59 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: 57-Chevy]
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
That is very true Mike wink
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#162254 - Sat Nov 28 2009 09:08 PM Re: Clear Coating A Old Porcelain Sign? [Re: gasoildude]
mattthegasman Offline
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Registered: Wed Jan 30 2008
Loc: Pennsylvania
I think KZ1000, and "THE DOC" have said it well, their ideas are easy things to do without alot of effort and it looks great, (I've done the same) and like GULFIEND said, if you dont like those ideas toss out more money and try and find a better example of that sign. Matt

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