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#162562 - Mon Nov 30 2009 07:02 PM Should you image a pump to exact date of pump????
SOUTHFLORIDAGAS Offline
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If you have a 1935 Tok and like the 40's Gulf images does it really hurt the value besides to the compulsive collector if you don't brand it to the exact or thereabouts age of the pump?
Basically I want to brand it how I want but realize that one day I may sell it and don't want to make too big of a mistake.
Thanks from the new guy-just trying to get a handle on the basics
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#162563 - Mon Nov 30 2009 07:06 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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No. Pumps were used for many years and were rebranded as the companies marketing changed. Just don't take a newer pump and put an older scheme on it that was used before the was pump made.
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#162564 - Mon Nov 30 2009 07:08 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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It won't effect the value to 98% of buyers, Do it up as you like, you will enjoy it more.
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#162566 - Mon Nov 30 2009 07:12 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: KZ1000]
SOUTHFLORIDAGAS Offline
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Kind of what I was thinking. Thanks guys
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#162567 - Mon Nov 30 2009 07:14 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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I have some visibls coming in and I don't 1) where I will fit them 2) How long I will be alive after my wife sees more pumps and 3) what to brand because some of the independents are really cool and I don't want to do the typical Texaco, Shell, Mobil Blah Blah Blah. Just like the stuff you don't see alot.
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#162574 - Mon Nov 30 2009 08:04 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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#162578 - Mon Nov 30 2009 08:22 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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...big surprise: I completely disagree, and think this is the worst advice you could give a 'newbie'...if you aren't heavily invested already, why not try and make your stuff as historically accurate as possible?...you've got a 'blank slate'...there are enough pumps painted like Ken Kesey's buses out there as it is...seriously...

...I can't understand the attraction to fantasy paint schemes, or why some people seem to think their pump will be boring if it's restored in an historically accurate manner...

..."Look, Charlie - here's the old gas pump I was telling you about, just finished the restoration. And here's an old photograph of this model pump in front of the station back in the day - looks just like I went back in time and grabbed the pump, huh?"...

...what's boring or unimpressive about that?

...if you have a GOC spec pump you should try and restore it as close to original specs as possible...those pumps were designed for and sold to Gulf (and not other companies, look at the original literature) and are rarely found in other color schemes...I have ten unrestored GOC's and only one of them bears a color scheme other than Gulf's blue, white and/or orange...

...think of your pump restoration as you would an old car restoration (not 'hot rod custom' - a restoration) and you won't go wrong in the long run...

..."yeah, I'd buy your pump, but it's just too authentic for me..." sounds ridiculous because it is...

...I know the people who eschewed accurate historical restorations for whatever reason (i.e., they don't care about the history of the pump; they just want to do something 'fun'; or they want the pump to match their bass boat) are going to be against any trend towards historical authenticity, for obvious reasons ($$$)...
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#162582 - Mon Nov 30 2009 08:44 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gulfiend!]
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I am kinda with Gulfiend on this one. I think southfloridagas asked if a 40's brand on a 1935 pump was ok... Sure!
I just think a 60's brand on a 30's pump isn't the best idea but if that is what you like it's your pump... do what you want with it! Everyone has seen the late 60's Sinclair Dino done up on a Wayne 615 visible before. LOL

Remember... opinions are like aholes everyone has one. LOL
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#162583 - Mon Nov 30 2009 08:55 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Jarvis]
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Also its your pump do it like you want it smile
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#162584 - Mon Nov 30 2009 08:56 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gulfiend!]
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Historically correct? What does one do with a pump that has been re branded? Most stations didn't change the pumps until they fell apart. That is why one finds layer upon layer of paint on them. A good portion of the paint isn't the same color. A lot of these pumps also have the logos of different companies on them. Sure, if one has a pump that was specially made for a certain company then take it back to that wrapper. Most pumps were sold to whomever had the money to buy them, whether from the original manufacturer or by resale.

My trim-line was in continuous service for close to 30 yrs, possibly longer. A new computer was put in when gas prices went over $1 and a holes were cut in the faces for the new totals. When I got the paint off, I had gone through 4 different Oil Companies. The last being EXXON (first layer off,last one on) and I could have missed a few because I wasn't real careful. I knew that I wanted Phillips66 but, I would have been just as correct with any brand that used the G&B Trim line from the early 60s on. So really, does it matter? Unless one had a notarized document from the original owner, how would one know what the history is of a certain pump?
Just my .02.


Edited by Bob Richards (Mon Nov 30 2009 08:58 PM)
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#162590 - Mon Nov 30 2009 09:06 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gasoildude]
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I agree with gasoildude and Bob. Its your pump do with it what you like. If you can keep it as close to the time period thats great, but in the end you have to be happy with your pump. Dont worry about what it well sell for later. If you look at most of the gas and oil auctions restored pumps usually bring less money anyway.


Edited by s932 (Mon Nov 30 2009 09:08 PM)
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#162592 - Mon Nov 30 2009 09:19 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Bob Richards]
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...if you want a Phillips 66 image (or Union, or Richfield, or Deep-Rock, etc.) on your 1935 Tokheim pump, that's cool...all I'm saying is why not paint your 1935 pump the way the designers that worked for Phillips 66 (or Union, or Richfield, or Deep-Rock, etc.) decided they should be painted in 1935?...

...what's the downside?

...back to SOUTHFLORIDAGAS's question: take two identical pumps...have them restored by the same guy, using the same kind of paint, parts, etc. - but have one restored to an historically accurate image (with correct decals, ad glass and paint scheme), and one restored using the same colors but painted in a more fanciful scheme (ethyl decal, fantasy ad glass, etc.)...it is my contention that the historically accurate one will be easier to sell for top dollar down the road...especially if the seller can provide that old photo...

...no other hobby that I can think of has moved away from historical accuracy, they all move towards it over time...
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#162597 - Mon Nov 30 2009 09:38 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gulfiend!]
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Not to beat a dead horse, but auto collecting has moved away from "historic accuracy". There are more "replica" Cobras now(times hundreds), than were ever made by Shelby. As well as "California Specials", "Hemi Cudas" and Challengers..... I could go on and on.... Unbelievable how many '66 Mustangs have turned up with 302s or even "HI-PO" code 289s that the owners claim are stock. Even though Ford didn't have the 302 in the Mustang until '68 and Ford ran short on V-8s in '66. Go through tech at Barrett-Jackson and see how many cars are changed at auction because they are a "repop" or pure fantasy. In the end, it has to be up to the owner of a pump, car or a piece of furniture. I can't imagine someone telling a homeowner, you can't paint that color inside of your own home because it wasn't available when the home was built. Or atleast to me, it's the same concept. "It's mine and I will do what I want with it".
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#162599 - Mon Nov 30 2009 10:04 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Bob Richards]
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...no - but plenty of homeowners are advised to put their renovation money into one area of renovation over another, i.e., another bathroom instead of an addition, etc...

...Bob, your auto show analogy demonstrates your contempt for the fakers posing as the real thing...yet you have no similar opinion regarding pump restorations?

...we were asked for advice as to what the best course of action was regarding pump restoration, in the event that the restored pump had to be sold...

...you guys have it all wrong - you go on and on like I am trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their property...that's not the case...asked for an opinion, I'm telling people what I think they should do with their property...when people tell a 'newbie' that it doesn't matter how you restore your pump, that's pure baloney and I'm gonna call them on it...

...I collect gas station stuff and value historical accuracy...everytime this topic comes up, the only argument those who disagree with me (and post here about it) can come up with is "it's a free country" or "it's his pump, he can do what he wants"...those statements do absolutely nothing to further the debate, as that's not the topic of discussion...
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#162614 - Mon Nov 30 2009 11:35 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gulfiend!]
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There are TOO many 50's-60's & 70's pump painted up GILMORE, ALL FANTASY as GILMORE sold out to MOBIL during WW2 [by 1945 all GILMORE's were GONE].

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#162631 - Tue Dec 01 2009 06:30 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Dick Bennett]
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Registered: Sat Jun 13 2009
Loc: Wellington, FLORIDA
Thanks for all the input. I grew up collecting antiques with my Dad and because of that I always tried to find a straight antique that wasn't monkeyed around with. I feel that keeping a pump brandind close to the correct year standards SHOULD bring the best value unless you're at a Barrett Jackson where some buyer has money falling out of his pocket and doesn't know the first thing about pumps. If he has always wants a specific look and knows nothing, he's your man. If not my belief is to try and keep it close or within reason. The farthest I went was on a Neptune 855 I got a "fantasy" sinclair dino which only had the ground beneath the feet. That's about as far into the fantasy world as I will go for now. Thank you all for the good feedback. All are right in their own way.
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#162633 - Tue Dec 01 2009 06:44 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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While we're at it let's rehash wether or not he should leave the guts in it too.

Maybe we can start a pump police force to make sure the hobby is preserving history accurately. We could use the new aprons for uniforms. The pockets in the front would be great to store all the specifications in, as well as tools to help strip off anything that doesn't belong on the pump. smile

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#162649 - Tue Dec 01 2009 09:45 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Bob Richards]
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I have to agree with Gulfieind on this . I spen hours and hours trying to research what is and is not " Correct for my Ford restoration and my model service stations " . Y'all have no idea how I went through folks around here just researching a compatible green to do the Amoco premium pump model I have in front of the Amoco Project . Ive gone to to many shows and seen Green Texaco just cause some body wanted that way too. I wont buy something like that for historical pourposes because it's Not correct .

Still, if you're happy with the color scheme , do it !
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#162650 - Tue Dec 01 2009 09:53 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: eshaver]
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#162657 - Tue Dec 01 2009 11:04 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Ohio Oil]
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Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
Originally Posted By: Ohio Oil
While we're at it let's rehash wether or not he should leave the guts in it too.

Maybe we can start a pump police force to make sure the hobby is preserving history accurately. We could use the new aprons for uniforms. The pockets in the front would be great to store all the specifications in, as well as tools to help strip off anything that doesn't belong on the pump. smile


...sigh...don't forget the carbon-fiber billy club, for the hard-headed types who keep twisting the my posts beyond recognition...

...y'all can do what you want with your pumps, I'm keeping mine as original as possible and those who don't can deal with the 'more money than brains' crowd at Barrett-Jackson tired, while it lasts...I'll keep company with the 'more brains than money' crowd... wink
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#162658 - Tue Dec 01 2009 11:15 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gulfiend!]
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Gulfiend that's pretty funny...I only mentioned the Barret folks because the auction is ten minutes from my house and was considering dragging some up there but there were multiple pump/sign guys there last year and they get wacked ridiculous fees from the Barrett guys.
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#162660 - Tue Dec 01 2009 11:42 AM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: gulfiend!]
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Loc: Northwest Ohio
Originally Posted By: gulfiend!

...sigh...don't forget the carbon-fiber billy club, for the hard-headed types who keep twisting the my posts beyond recognition...


Original wood billy clubs would be better. wink

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#162664 - Tue Dec 01 2009 12:33 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: Dick Bennett]
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Loc: So. Illinois
Has anyone "photoshop" aka photochop a pump???? Guys and Gals on the HAMB do this to cars/trucks all the time, gives you a good idea what it will look like with out spending lots of money. Or you need to find another pump so you can do one historically correct and one just for the fun of it....... Take care! tt

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#162680 - Tue Dec 01 2009 04:14 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: SOUTHFLORIDAGAS]
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Loc: New Mexico
I was going to post on this discussion because I have some strong feelings on it based on experience. But, what I have in mind is too close to high-jacking a thread (I'm still paranoid about that).

I'll re-word it and post as a new topic tomorrow. Southflorida, go back and review some of the reports on Barrett Jackson published in PCM. Food for thought. IMHO.

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#162687 - Tue Dec 01 2009 05:02 PM Re: Should you image a pump to exact date of pump???? [Re: oldgoaly]
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Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
Originally Posted By: Ohio Oil

Original wood billy clubs would be better. wink

...I've got one!...last year's Christmas present from a fellow Oldgasser...

Originally Posted By: oldgoaly
Has anyone "photoshop" aka photochop a pump???? Guys and Gals on the HAMB do this to cars/trucks all the time, gives you a good idea what it will look like with out spending lots of money. Or you need to find another pump so you can do one historically correct and one just for the fun of it....... Take care! tt

...yes, a couple of times - I 'photoshopped' three different oil company paint/sign schemes on a photo of a Tokheim twin for a buddy of mine...of course, he never bought the pump... crazy
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