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I plan to have a section on my website where I will post all the corrections and newly found pumps for my Gas Pump Identification book. What other author ever did this?

But, I felt this correction was important enough to post it here.

Page 318:
Top Left: Never was a 490, they were the 490 Series.
This picture is the 491. Also, never was an electric in the 490 series, the 491 was air operated.
Lower Left: There was also a 492-F, it was a five-gallon hand operated.

Post the correction in your books.

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One that I have found puzzling is pg 238, top left corner.
RUSH VC 1929...what kind of computer?

Looks like Veeder Root face configuration w/ price wheels.
The earliest use of a Veeder Root "Computer" was 1932 in the Wayne #40...
pg 324 bottom right.
The incorporation of price wheels to a Veeder Root unit was INTRODUCED in 1935
......but the computer, IF Veeder Root, could have been replaced with later unit by serviceman or restorer.


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Joe,
I don't know how I came up with that date. I centainly made a mistake there. I know the owner of that pump and will contact him for a more accurate date.

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Still good books Jack smile


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Better to have a book w/ a few mistakes, than not have the book.
Now Jack & I can play Darts @ IG !

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The only thing else I have found is the Aqua computer pump w/ price wheels dated 1934, a 34 computer didn't have price wheels.
They could have been one of the first pumps w/ a price wheel computer to have been introduced in late in '34??,,,
when the '35 model computers would have been comming out???


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First, let me explain something. Sometimes I would have the original Bulletin for a pump, which was usually the first piece of sales literature they prepared for this pump. It might be dated 1937, but then I would find a ad for the same pump from October 1936, meaning they were advertising the pump before they prepared the sales literature. I used the 1936 as the date of introduction of the pump.

The Aqua pumps came from a Renick & Mahoney" (New York) catalog. They sold Aqua pumps in the northeast part of the U.S.
I can't find the date of the catalog now, but when I wrote the book, I somehow determined the catalog to be from 1935. I then made an assumption that anything in a 1935 catalog must have been introduced in 1934, therefore the date I used.

I know when you assume things you make a *****, etc.

The other day I read where a government committee met with a auto exectutive and he brought up the law of phyics in explaining fuel consumption in cars. The committe told him they were from the governmrnt, they could get the law changed. Another assumption.

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I understand about the literature thing.
Just when you THINK you have one of these manufacturers figured out there is always something that shows up later.
I don't think ANYONE will ever know Everything these companies did.
If you get within a year of dating something that is about the best you can do.
I beleive there will always be a true manufacture date and then an INTRODUCTION date.
The production date would normally be the year before introduction date.

The Aqua was the only other anacronism I have found.


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Joe, Has to be the same with cars today, how long were they in the design stage before the 1st one rolls off the line ? Then something is changed mid year.

While looking thru Patents, I found where the same design for a gas-o-gun was awarded to Bowser.
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I wasn't into researching patent dates when I wrote the books, just used original company literature, ads and oil equipment catalogs. When you find the patent dates, the most important one is the date the patent was applied for, then you have to subtract six month, maybe a year getting the patent request ready, they subtract from that how long did it take the company to develop the product.
My experience of researching patents is that very few of the pumps were ever patented, they just went into production and even less had the designs patented.

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1/2 year model Mustangs came to mind when I was writing that last post.

I would guess that the 1934 WAYNE #40....not 40-A.....
used leftovers from the first two years..'32-'33..used up everything they could to MAKE as many COMPLETE
pumps they could that year and the rest of the parts went to storage for a few years for replacement parts....
whatever didn't fit the 40-A,,,, which was INTRODUCED the same year.

I know more about 40 & 40-A computers than I do the pumps since I have never owned or restored one.,
but I am thinking there are a few parts that will interchange.
I do know there are parts from the 60 that will fit the 70. That sorta supports my theory about
using up parts, or at least for cost concerns, using old casting designs and old stamped parts designs.

There is a difference in the computer mounts between a 40 and a 40-A
I am not POSITIVE a 1934 computer will fit a 1932-33 or '34 Wayne 40
If someone out ther DEFINATELY has a 1934 Wayne 40...NOT 40-A.....
and it DEFINATELY has the ORIGINAL computer.
I would be interested in seeing the computer.
It would help me uncover a few questions I still have about
the early years of the Veeder Root computer.


I have only seen about 3 of these Variators.
for some reason, some Wayne 40's have these but most have a different style.
According to the VEEDER ROOT website they started using computers in gas pumps in 1930.
That predates all other info by two years.

I am wondering if there may have been a two year, "in the feild trial period" for
the first computers and these are prototypes. If so, it is a MIRACLE any are left.
I am almost 100% sure this is the first model....but when it was made I don't know.
I am assuming it was introduced in 1932... but the patent is nowhere to be found ....
only what I refer to as the the second version variator or 1933...but then the pat on that was not applied for untill 1934.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT2...932&f=false


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Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
Better to have a book w/ a few mistakes, than not have the book.
Now Jack & I can play Darts @ IG !


...damn right...


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Didn't the 1st VR's use the flat white wheels w/ black numbers ?
Then later ones were embossed black w/ white numbers.

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I agree w/ DB too.

It wasn't untill I started using Jack's book to do some hardcore
research on computers did I find the discrepancies.
Without his book, my findings would have been near impossible to accomplish.
With his book, patent searches, my rebuilding services, tag info from customers,
and pics of finished computers, I have been able to closely date & identify 16 models of crankback computers.
POSSIBLY from 1932 to 1960????
I was actualy amazed when I found patent info on the 1937 computer
The computer I restored came from a 36-B that was dated 1937, the pat for that style head was filed 03-37
soooooooo......I would think it would have been INTRODUCED in 1937....especially when there were 1936 and 1935 models.

I had thought 20+ years ago how nice it would be to have a book like the one Jack did....
back then all you had was the blue book to go by....I like pitchers...that's southern for pictures.

Now this I have pondered......
If Jack has studied gasoline pump liturature for several years,
and has been published on the subject,
doesn't that qualify him, and others like him,
for a PhD?
Dr. Sim
Dr. Henderson
Dr. Benjamin

?????????????


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Have you ever tried to find a set of NOS flat silver wheels, DB? laugh
There are more glass ERIE tops out there than NOS silver or white wheels. cry cry

decals won't fit the original 1932-33 wheels they have a much more narrow shell.
I always have to replace them w/ later wheels to be able to restore one that old.

The ones in that pic are flat wheels...got them from T.Buckles

To answer the question; I think all wheels at first were silver.
most faces were aluminum.I don't think the permavis wheels came out untill the mid to late 40's...white came in somewhere in between. I don't have any way to verify any of this except from what I have seen and wheels can always be changed.
I have seen several 1936 computers w/ indented wheels due to being rebuilt.
If I had to guess I would say white in 1935????

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I know someone that makes Decals !

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Most wheel shells are aluminum I have seen steel shells too.
Veeder Root also used a pint wheel instead of a tenths wheel.
Nobody makes those.


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Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
I know someone that makes Decals !


So Do I that One Armed Guy From Santa Paula, CA. and he does real nice work...


This is not a Paid advertisement for db's Decals just Looking for a Discount... grin


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A funny thing about computer wheel decals. I was the first one to reproduce them. I made up b on w, and w on b. But...I made a mistake on one of the decals.
Now all the decals you see advertised are copies of my decals, and they all still have the same mistake.

Joe, do you know what that mistake is?

I would copy a picture of the sheet of decals and put it here, but I can't determine if I am copying someone else's picture or copying my picture????

Jack

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I do know that 1 of the C wheels is wrong and the 10ths doesn't line up like it should and spacing on price wheels is not correct. any more?
.... no hash marks on the penny wheel

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Those are Jack's decals......
NOT RON SCOBIE's


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