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I would like everyone's opinion on what I should do to complete this Wayne 45 Twin Pump. It is missing the computers; 2-cast face bezels; the light manifolds & conduit ; 1-45 degree nozzle fork & rest assembly; 1 Wayne 40A visigauge; 1 short style crank back handle & some of the cast internal brackets to mount one of the computers to.
As you can see in the picture I have a Wayne 40 that I could part out(have parted another out already a while ago). If I part out the Wayne 40 I would have (2) 10" computers;(2)visigauges;(2)light manifolds;(2)sets of cast internal brackets to mount the computers to;(2)matching crank back handles & (2)cast face bezels all from Wayne 40's. I would have to come up with (2) more Wayne 40 cast face bezels, and could possibly trade the (2) Wayne 40A/45/50/50A bezels for them.
Would like your opinions and input if I should go this route to make this a pump with the Wayne 40 parts I have or should I try to find the parts to keep this a pump with the Wayne 40A parts that are on it now? I understand that this pump was built both ways from the factory. Any and all input would be appreciated. Thanks, Bill

...if these were my pumps - if the parts are interchangable between the two pumps - I'd buy another parts pump or find the parts needed, assemble a twin, give it the first-rate restoration it deserves, and enjoy it...take lots of photos of the process and document every step of your work - potential buyers down the road would appreciate it...keep it as original as possible...

I agree, find the parts you need to finish the twin. Restore the 40 first and send the twin to me. LOL

The mounting ears on a 1932-33 computer are different than on all the rest, and may not fit correctly.
They do not have the "cutout" on the Variator to accomidate the longer face a 40-A has either. That is if your 40s have the original computer style.


40 and 40-A computer mounts/ears are different....at least 1 is.

This pic shows the notch in the variatorfor the longer 40-A faces


A 40-A computer might fit a 40, but a 40 computer may not work in a 40-A, because of the longer face.
These are the only pumps these rules apply to as far as I know.
I beleive the #40 to be the prototype pump.

I want Santa to leave that double under my tree.

I agree!!! Fix the twin then the single 40. I would be happy with either one of those

Looking for more input;comments;advise;discussion- any and all information will be helpful to help me determine which route I will take to build this twin pump. Thanks, Bill

I do not think the 40 face bezels would fit the 40A/45 pump.

if it help --ill be taking a wayne 40 with no face bezel to portland swap in april

Bill, I think the parts off your 40 will not fit on the 45. They are similar but not quit right. You could trade the 40 parts for the parts you need for the 45, but that may be a long process. The computers are the main problem. They are just not out there and could take years to find. Most of the other parts your missing are easier to find or are being repopped. I have an extra meter mount cast piece for the 40-A, crank back side. The light manifold top where it fits to the top looks to be the same casting as the wayne 70 but I did not compare them. I have found the short turn back on some Wayne 60's and 70's pumps. Your 40 is pretty complete except for the skins but they are repoped. The one leg that is bent looks like it could be fixed. I would have a hard time parting out the 40. I would still keep the 45 and try to find the parts because it's such a great pump. Just my opinion. Richard

I have a set of 40a bezels I would trade for the 40 bezels if you part the 40 out. I may also have a 40a visigauge would have to look.
Thanks
Brandon

Keep the 45 as is and don't try to merge the two. Either sell the 40 or part it out, theres a lot of buyers out here for Wayne 40 parts. Looks to me like you can find the 40A parts and you'll maybe have to be a little creative with the light manifold but the computers will be the hard part! They're out there but where?? Keep searching!! Thats a really great pump!!!

Matt,
You are right about the Wayne 40 face bezels not fitting on the Wayne 45 Twin pump. Just went outside and tried them on the pump and no luck. Will have to re-think what approach I should take to complete this pump. Thanks for the input guys, I really appreciate it. Thanks, Bill

Bill ---theres a Wayne 40A for sale on Old Gas right now! Check the for sale section!

Kevin,
I saw that one for sale. I also have a Wayne 40A and a line on another one from a local guy I know. I appreciate you letting me know about it though. Thanks, Bill

Just wanted to put up these pictures of the Wayne 40A face bezels(yellow) & Wayne 45 Twin face bezels(red) to show the differences between them. The Wayne 45 face bezels are thicker in the casting thickness of them compared to the Wayne 40A face bezels which are thinner. Also the Wayne 45 face bezels have the little spring loaded access doors on the right side of them.
I would also like to know if the Wayne 50 & 50A face bezels are the same as my Wayne 45 Twin face bezels? Specifically, do they have the small spring loaded access doors on the right side of them & are they thicker in the casting thickness like my Wayne 45 or are they thinner like the Wayne 40A bezels? Any info or discussion would be appreciated. Thanks, Bill

The Face bezels on my wayne 40A and 50A are the same, No trap door on the 50A. Richard

Bill--What purpose do those little trap doors serve?? I looked at pictures of a friens 50 and it looks to NOT have these. I will personally look when I get over there next but I'm really curious as to the function of these trap doors??

Totalizers on that pump are toward the center.
A little back asswards.
Access to read them?

I was looking in Jacks book and noticed the 45 in there does not have the little doors. They must be on one side only. My guess for the doors is to check the totalizer on the computer.

Matt,
If you look real close at the picture of the Wayne 45 Twin in Jack's book you can see that the face bezel on the left side of the pump has the little access door on it. I found out about a year or so ago who the owner of the pump was and called him, and he told me that these doors were to access the reading on the totalizer of the computer.
So you guys are right about why the doors are built into the bezel. Am still really curious if any of the Wayne 50's or Wayne 50A's had the access doors on the face bezels. Looking at the pictures in Jack's book are the faces on a Wayne 50 identical to the faces on a Wayne 50A? According to the pictures they are not, but I have never seen either one of these model of pumps in person. Maybe somebody reading this post will chime in on that question. Thanks, Bill

The 45 is the ONLY pump to use the 'window'. The pump shown in both editions of Jack's book is mine and that's the way the bezels are...
I have a number of 40's, 40A's and 50s and NONE of them have the extra window.
Ron

Ron,
Thanks for clarifying that question. Do all (4) of the face bezels have the access door on them or is it just the front (2) that have them, or maybe it is that the front left one has the access door and the back side opposite corner face bezel has the access door so you could read the totalizer on the opposite computer? Thanks, Bill

The computers have to reset in a certain direction.
I am not sure if the reset handle screws on like a 60 or 70...
if so, the handle HAS to be on a certain side of the computer,
or it will unscrew.
All the controls; reset, on-off, hose is on one side
No other pump except a twin would have this problem.
The left side bezel of front and back should have these view holes.
Note in the pic the computers are backwards to each other, this puts both of the totalizers toward the inside
and the reset works the same side of each computer. The side totalizer is just below the reset coupling on the side of a computer.
The window on the bezel is in the corresponding location.
These computers both have the notch in the variator for the longer 40-A faces.
The computer on the left is a 1935 the one on the right is a 1934



ORIGINAL WAYNE 40 COMPUTERS WILL NOT WORK
I will say this, I bet it was a B*tch to read !!!!
I hope this helps.
Joe

Makes sense to have only 1 on each meter.

METER...!!!! !!!!!!
How long you been doing this DB???!!!!!
IT don't METER...IT COMPUTE !!!!

That's like asking "how's that leg comming along?"

After looking at the 40 in the for sale section, it looks like the crankhandle is threaded and is on the totalizer side.
That would mean the crankhandle has to be different on the 45 or it would unscrew on the opposite side of the computer.....when trying to reset the unit.