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#167582 - Thu Dec 31 2009 03:27 PM Question about this thing?
zooman Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 13 2009
Loc: Alvin, Texas
Happy New Year everyone. Just wanted to find out what this thing in at an old gas station by my house is. When a group of us go cycling we usually stop here, drink some water and stretch and sit on the steps. We have all noticed this thing but no one knows what it is. So the first pic is of the grocery store which also used to be a gas station many years ago. The other 3 pics are of what most of the group think is a water pump. I think it is the remains of some type of lube or gas pump.
Here's the store:

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#167583 - Thu Dec 31 2009 03:30 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
zooman Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 13 2009
Loc: Alvin, Texas
The first pic and if you look at the above pic on the right this is in front of the bench

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#167584 - Thu Dec 31 2009 03:32 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
zooman Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 13 2009
Loc: Alvin, Texas
Another pic with my back at the bench toward the street.

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#167585 - Thu Dec 31 2009 03:36 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
zooman Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 13 2009
Loc: Alvin, Texas
The third and last pic looking down at the thing. The bench is to my left and street to the right.

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#167591 - Thu Dec 31 2009 03:59 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
THE AMERICAN GARAGE Offline
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I'D SAY A VERY EARLY (GAS?) PUMP OF SOME KIND.
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#167592 - Thu Dec 31 2009 04:01 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: THE AMERICAN GARAGE]
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
Early Kerosene or white gas pump(?)
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#167593 - Thu Dec 31 2009 04:04 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Bob Richards]
Vermonter Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 16 2006
Loc: VT
Looks a lot like the kero pump at a general store I go to. Ive been meaning to take a pic of it and post it here. I need kero, so I will get some next week and post it.
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#167595 - Thu Dec 31 2009 04:08 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
Old Iron Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 10 2009
Loc: New Mexico
My thought is it is the remains of a commercial kerosene pump.Several of the elements are there;early measureing devices adn dispensing valve.Jack an /or DB can give you a more definitive answer!!

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#167597 - Thu Dec 31 2009 04:32 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Old Iron]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Appears to be a National Stores Model B 1 gal. Pg 224, 2nd book.

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#167612 - Thu Dec 31 2009 06:01 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
gasoildude Offline
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Loc: Oneida IL USA
Looks like there are a lot of pieces missing on it.
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#167616 - Thu Dec 31 2009 06:06 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: gasoildude]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Not really, pump handle, spicket & maybe a counter/dial [not all had one].

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#167629 - Thu Dec 31 2009 07:32 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
lordparaffin Offline
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Loc: Sunbury, PA, USA
Kerosene is most likely it's original use.
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#169085 - Fri Jan 08 2010 09:22 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
Vermonter Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 16 2006
Loc: VT
I took this pic yesterday at a store near me. It is used to pump kerosene. Couldnt find any manufacturers marks on it.
John


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#169094 - Fri Jan 08 2010 10:59 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Vermonter]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
I'd bet it's a BOWSER. Pump cyl. is in tank under floor or in basement.

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#169096 - Fri Jan 08 2010 11:06 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
I would have to agree. That would be cool to get the whole setup. Then the next thing is to have the room to display it. That would look sweet smile
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#169097 - Fri Jan 08 2010 11:10 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: gasoildude]
carzncoke Offline
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Loc: new church,va USA
I respect all of the answers to this topic as all of you are much more knowledgable than i am but did anyone actually just buy a quart of kerosene ?
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#169099 - Fri Jan 08 2010 11:21 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: carzncoke]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
you did in the depression!!!!
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#169100 - Fri Jan 08 2010 11:28 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: jkyocom]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Even into the 50's a lot were still being used.
Most of this type were 1gal cylinders w/ a 10gal dial/counter.

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#169108 - Fri Jan 08 2010 12:11 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
Kerosene stoves and heaters were used like db said into the mid 50s, even later in areas where electricity and natural gas lines hadn't been run. My family owned a "cottage" at the base of Mt. St. Helens our stove was kerosene. Used white gas in a pinch, but kerosene much, much safer.
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#169116 - Fri Jan 08 2010 01:08 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Bob Richards]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
WWII brought us out of the depression.
R.E.A didn't start untill after WWII.
Untill then, if you didn't live in town, or near a line, you didn't have power or gas lights.
Although there were liquid storage battery power systems for houses....
Kerosene lamps is what most used for illumination.
1 qt. will keep a few lamps burning for a while.
During the depression 1 qt may have been all you could afford to buy at the time.
I would imagine the R.E.A. took a while, the mid fifties would have only been 10(+ -) yrs into the project.
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#169117 - Fri Jan 08 2010 01:14 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: jkyocom]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Never been to Vt., but would bet there are a lot of cabins that still use Kerosene heaters & stoves [maybe as a backup to propane].

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#169120 - Fri Jan 08 2010 01:22 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
dust bowl + depression = may not be able to afford 1 qt. eek eek
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#169131 - Fri Jan 08 2010 03:32 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: jkyocom]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
These pump we are discussing were from 1905-1915, way before the depression. Up until around 1912 kerosene out sold gasoline, and kerosene main use was for lighting. G&B before they ever made a gas pump manufactured lamps that used gasoline, and at the time Standard Oil bought into G&B because of their large use of gasoline.
Take a look at page 307 of my Gas Pump Identification book, middle picture on bottom. Typical kerosene pump and typical can to carry the kerosene in back home. Many a kid during this time was sent up to the General Store with a can to get a qt. or gallon of kerosene. Customers supplied their own cans.

Jack Sim
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#169132 - Fri Jan 08 2010 03:40 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Jack Sim]
chadrock00 Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 11 2005
Loc: Warsaw, Illinois
I have found several Lubsters that had kerosene in them.

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#169138 - Fri Jan 08 2010 05:05 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: chadrock00]
jkyocom Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 15 2006
Loc: GA
I saw an old ad in a magazine where it showed a little girl returning flour and telling the store owner that her mother said it smelled of kerosene.
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#169140 - Fri Jan 08 2010 05:13 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: jkyocom]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
chadrock00

That's why they should NOT be called "Lubsters."

Using this term only leads to confusion. Not one company ever called these lubsters, this is a term made up by some collector and picked up by just about everyone. They are dispensers, oil, kerosene, lindseed oil, molassas, etc.

Jack Sim


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#169142 - Fri Jan 08 2010 05:38 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Jack Sim]
Vermonter Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 16 2006
Loc: VT
I have to pay more attention next time but I recall that she did not turn the handle round and round. She cranked it and I believe the stops you can see on the "ratcheted" part of the pump stops it at a set measurement...I think a quart. I wonder how the State "Weights and Measure" guys certify that.
John
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#169148 - Fri Jan 08 2010 06:44 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
Old Iron Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 10 2009
Loc: New Mexico
I think the "bulk dispensers",that's what I call mine,were inspected by the state for accuracy and then sealed by the inspector with a wire running through a hole in the stop and on through the set screw that would have to be loosened to move the stop in order to change it's position.That wire was sealed with a state lead stamped seal.So,aslong as that seal wire was intact,the customer was assured that the stop had not been tampered with.AT LEAST IN THEORY.

At least thats how all of my restored ones seem to have worked.

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#169149 - Fri Jan 08 2010 06:54 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Old Iron]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif

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#169174 - Fri Jan 08 2010 10:46 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
quincy oil&gas Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 24 2008
Loc: quincy ma.
DB, great pic and info,
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#169191 - Sat Jan 09 2010 08:39 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: quincy oil&gas]
Vermonter Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 16 2006
Loc: VT
DB, yes quite a few "camps" as they call them use kero heaters. Lots of people use them for their garage and workshops too.
Thanks for the pic, that helps explain how it works.
John
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#169196 - Sat Jan 09 2010 08:50 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: quincy oil&gas]
zooman Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 13 2009
Loc: Alvin, Texas
It makes me debate whether I should go next store and see if the lady that has the store up for sale would let me have the pump or at least make her an offer for it.
Thanks for all the info posted on this as I am amazed that a few short months ago we all just walked around it when we took our break off the bikes.

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#169213 - Sat Jan 09 2010 10:34 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: zooman]
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So, was the "Flamo" sign for Kerosene heated rooms, or propane?


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#169225 - Sat Jan 09 2010 11:35 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: oltoydoc@vintagegas.com]
lordparaffin Offline
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Registered: Tue Mar 23 2004
Loc: Sunbury, PA, USA
Actually you'd be surprised at how much kero is still in use today for heating. It is our main source of heat when at home to supplement our heating oil and stretch those heating dollars. I almost always run into someone at the pumps waiting or getting kerosene.
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#169229 - Sat Jan 09 2010 12:32 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: lordparaffin]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Kerosene is cheaper than Heating oil ?
I always thought it would be the other way.

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#169232 - Sat Jan 09 2010 12:46 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
Don that is a cool sign. Me likey smile
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#169244 - Sat Jan 09 2010 01:15 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: gasoildude]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
FLAMO is LPG

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#169626 - Mon Jan 11 2010 10:34 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: Dick Bennett]
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Registered: Sat Jan 25 2003
Loc: Kelowna British Columbia Canad...
If it were a Bowser(I know it is not), and IF it is original paint;

A black one is Kerosene or other.

A red one is Gasoline.

The difference is, the seals, color, & flammability..

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#169628 - Mon Jan 11 2010 10:45 AM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: dodogas]
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Registered: Mon Sep 29 2008
Loc: richmond , Virginia
Yes D B , at one time Kerosene was cheaper than # 2 oil . Right now , the untaxed , dyed red diesel or #2 is running about 2.38 a gallon if you bought in to a contract back in the early fall.The #1 Kerosene is about 2.99- 3.07 right now . Oh , to run a diesel truck in the winter here , we used to mix a little Kerosene with the diesel . The fuel will turn to jelly here as it gets so thick here in the cold too. Ed Shaver
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#169681 - Mon Jan 11 2010 05:57 PM Re: Question about this thing? [Re: eshaver]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
IF I lived in Cold country, I'd be setting up a Waste Oil Heater. Cooking oils & used motor oil can be had for free most anywhere.

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