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There are discussions going on out here about the wisdom of paying a lot (?) of money for signs that have been reproduced. Common examples include Texaco Indian and Diesel chief, various Mobil shields, Power-lube Magnolias, Conoco Minuteman Red Crowns, and more. One thought is that "they are dated " or very thick porcelain with good shelving or I can just tell. So I will pay it. The other view is I wont pay that when I have to read a date, analyze color, feel the shelving and still "be unsure" Further the attitude is " I'll pay more for something that hasn't been popped, at least to my knowledge. Shamrock diesels, Texaco diesel L and the Cosdens as examples. Im carious about what you think should I go get a Power-lube that has been popped or go get three globes that have not been popped ? Thank you for your time.
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Statements such as, "I'm thinking about selling this." are considered an offer to sell.
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Buy the items that are not repopped, Reproductions, dated or not, Do affect the originals.
"Remember, history that is forgotten is doomed to repeat itself!"
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Buy what you like, your the one that will see it the most.
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I think three original globes will always outshine a repopped sign.
But that Power Lube is a cool sign.
It's gonna be your decision in the end.
Ed
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I see where you're coming from. Be careful what you say though - I'm sure the Argentinians (and probably some people from Monticello, IN) are working on the ones you listed as we speak.
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What are the 3 Globes? Original Power Lube signs are Awesome, kick myself for selling mine!!
***Wanted*** Always looking for Oilzum, Kunz, and Husky Cans, Signs and Smalls.
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No special globes Just good graftics that have not been repoped.
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in my case i always take into consideration breaking the globes..chances are i would break at least one if not all...there is no way i can break that porcelain sign & thats why i have stuck with signs....
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Sign can fall and chip porcelain and lose value either way you can mess up I always make sure my globes are on secure shelf. and super careful when moving them, But any thing can happen. Have not broke one yet, Knock on wood.
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well lets look at it this way then.......you break a globe you've got nothing except a pile of glass, you chip a sign which i have also done many times & it just goes down in value a bit...By the way it takes much more to chip a porcelain sign than it does to break a globe..JMO
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Besides Darrel, NO one wants to take the Throne away from JJ ! LOL
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True but I love it all, and to have a well rounded gas & oil collection you need cans signs globes maps thermometers (etc) But thats a hole new subject for a different night.
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yeah Dick i don't want that award, I think i have the award for breaking neon, but thats cheap & can be replaced.....Globes on the other hand are much more expensive when replaced.....if i look at glass funny it breaks......
in the end, buy what you like & can live with........its your collection not anybody elses.....i probably have a whole different view, opinion & perspective than you......
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I say buy what you like and can afford to as long as you KNOW what you are buying. I prefer all original stuff myself, but it is your collection we are talking about. Make sure to mark it a a repro if it is not dated.
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I took a quick look at all the entries in this thread and from what I gather, the theme of the topic is how can I protect my investment. I'm sure you all are aware there are no guarantees on material things and no perfect financial investments. For all we know all our stuff could become worthless in 20-40 years, depends on if the next generation has any desire to collect this stuff. I try not to buy reproductions, if the original is in anyway attainable then I'll save, borrow or wait for it. And in some cases do without. I don't mind visiting other people that can afford and do buy those super rare pieces. That way I get to go see it in person but don't have to pay for the piece or the structure to house it.
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I believe the original question was "Do I buy an ORIGINAL sign that they made a reproduction based on" or do I buy some Original Globes that have not yet been reproduced. Original rare globes that are not repopped are valueable now, But once they are repopped, just like anything else, The values will change as the actual logo is now everywhere to be seen, rather than only a handful in a few collections.
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Globes always scare me, especially since most that I've purchased have come from ebay or other auctions, they always have to be shipped and half the time, even though I tell them how to pack it, it's always a moment of stress when I'm opening the box. Signs on the other hand, no fear. But as the old saying goes...collect what you like. I can tell you this, even with the economy where it is, my car and sign collection have been the best investment I've ever made in comparison to stock, or land investments. -John
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I agree with DB buy what you like and don't worry if it's been repopped as long as what you buy is original. Good condition Powerlube signs have held there value for the most part. Did see a pretty slick dbl sided repop that would fool a lot of people. Repops are part of collecting. This site and it's members are a great source of info when in doubt.
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I do have to agree with Road Relics on the glass breakage though. One of the most liked signs that I have is one that I knowingly bought a repro greyhound skin made for neon and used it as my shop night light. Everybody loved that sign, thought it was real and it made me happy even though I knew and told people it was a repro. I have tried to stay away from the smaller porcelain signs that may be repro because I simply can't tell, and they just do not light up. Learned alot about repros from this sight though, and probably now more tempered on buying at a major swap meet or especially the internet with regard to porcelain signs.
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KZ:
So if I read between the lines on your postings - you're saying that since the Gilmore/whatever lenses have been reproduced for going on 20 years now, the price is now down on the originals so most people can afford them?
Please . . . original lenses have never been shown to lose any value when MARKED Reproduction lenses have been produced. Quality dated reproductions just allow those individuals that can't afford or won't spend the money for originals to have that image in their collections.
Later . . .
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I will add my opinion which are like a... well everyone has one right. LOL
Reproduction globes marked are great for pump restorers. I know some guys might buy them to display but i would rather have a original dino globe on the shelf than a repop Gilmore. I don't believe reproduction globes hurt original globe prices to much. Now a unmarked reproduction or newly painted globes hurts them bad as people than get scared. I believe that is the case with signs also.
I don't want to get a repop versus original bashing going as we all know where everyone stands on that issue. Been there done that... got the tee shirt.
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To me it's a question of allocation of investment.But as we say,to each his own.Personally,I prefer pieces that have not been reproduced,yet I have several pieces that have been and even have a couple of repop pump plates in my displays to round them out until what I want comes along.I have never represented them as real.
And I totally agree with the comment regarding comparison with my stock investments!!
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Repo GILMORE'S, HANCOCK'S, & POLLY'S HAVE NOT hurt the selling of originals When they come up For Sale [$18-20,000ea lens !].
Reselling of Fantasy/Repo's globes have sold for less than when newly offered.
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I agree with Dick most of the Killer West coast lenses have been done but originals still bring the BIG BUCKS. Jim
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