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Can I wash the computer at the car wash along with the frame of my pump? I am going to use the self serve car wash to clean the frame up and was wondering if the computer would be ok if I sprayed it down. Also what kind of grease should I use on the gear box below the numbers? I looked at the gear box and it looks pretty simple just some gears stacked up with some planetary gears in there and I am going to take it appart and clean everything out if I can't put it in the car wash. If anyone has any better ideas please let me know. This is my first pump and I just want to make sure I ask before I start doing things that could damage stuff.

Unless your a watch maker/repairman, DON'T take the VR APART !
Getting ALL them gears back into correct alignment & timing will make you go Bald or turn you into a Plumber [like Joe Yocom]!

Yes, Go ahead and use the high pressure wash from the car wash. Be careful around any decals that you might want saved, although DB does new ones if you need them! After its cleaned up, let it dry real well and then spray the whole thing down with WD-40 to get it lubed up and protect the parts from furthur corrision! A good washing will do wonders!

Awesome I will bring it with me when I go. The reels actually have the numbers stamped into them so I don't have to worry about loosing any numbers and the decal at the bottom of the gear assembly is basically white paper with the faint word computer so I'm not too worried about loosing that one. I think I will keep the computer together. Would not want to screw it all up.

I had one completely apart once and was able to get it back together with the help of looking at a complete one but the darn thing isn't timed right and won't reset! I'm going to have to send it off to Joe this winter!

I did not think about messing up the timing on it. I'm glad I asked before I just dove into it and pulled it appart.

Contact Joe Yocum. You don't want to create a migraine for yourself, do you?

If this is a for a pump you want to keep, give him a call or email.

Here are some pictures of the computer. It has a lot of dirt in it but I think I can wash that out. The gears don't look too bad just think they need a good washing too. I did actually have it counting last night while I was turning the gear that connects the gear box to the reels. Takes a lot of turns to get 1/10th of a gallon pumped.

Went to the car wash today and got it all cleaned out. The computer looks a whole lot better. Does not look new because of the rust on some parts but it looks pretty good. How do you change the price on these things? I have no idea how to go about doing that.

After it's back together & lubricated & Hopefully moving easily,
follow these directions;

I got rust on the shaft there so that part does not move too well. I might be able to use some steel wool and get the rust off or just work it up and down with a lot of WD40. Also should I grease the gears or just use WD-40?

Because your VR is kinda Cruddy, to set the price manually [for show]. Remove keeper pin in each wheel you want to change, turn to desired # & replace keeper pin.

I actually got the prices to move. I can not get them all the way there yet but I did work them so that they will move through more than half the notches.

Well the bottom with the price reels works and turns fine but I think the top with the reels is shot. I got them to sort of work but they keep jamming and will sometimes disengage and get stuck when the next reel is going to change. I am going to give it one more shot by soaking it in simple green and if that does not work I am going to look for a new one.

IF your not going to motorize it, I wouldn't bother.
jm2c

I really want to motorize it so that is why I am trying to get it to work. I have it soaking right now in simple green and water. I will check on it in the morning and see if it is working then.

I am not setup to restore that type of computer.
I am still having bad back problems guys and am just finishing up some that have been here for months.I have a hard time sitting.
I have one more to restore and one to fix.

Agaist my own will I have also accepted two wheel type cash recorders....UGH !!!!!
At the rate I am able to work on stuff it may be Jan before I can start accepting any more computers.
I have an MRI schedualed for tomorrow.

I will be selling off an super restored 8" compter w/ price wheels as soon as I can finish it.
Thanks guys

Keep on the mend Joe! Its been a year since my back surgery and I'm finally starting to feel completely healed. Back problems are tough!
Be sure to post the 8 inch computer when you're done! I'd like to see what a super restoration looks like!

If you plan to motorize that,it looks pretty rough to me.HIOCTANE has a couple of four reel VRs in my shop.One of them might work.Want me to look at them?

Sure if you don't mind that would be great.

One of them does look kind of like yours from what I can see.What pump are you working with?I think that VR is an 02.I've never worked with anything that new.What are some of those casting numbers on yours?That's the only way I know of to tell if this one will work for you.

The pump is a Wayne 734. Where do I find the casting numbers? There are some numbers that look like part numbers or something like that on the half with the reels is that what you need? This is my first gas pump so I don't really know that much about the pump.

I might be able to hook you up with a factory rebuilt. I've got several 4 wheel meters still in the VR boxes. I'll check and see if any are like yours and post back.

Just curious but does the one I have right now have any value at all? If I get a new one I might concider selling my current one or maybe see if a local gas pump repair place wants it for parts.

Hi, Scale bowler I have this Veeder root that I found in a old bulk plant that has been factory recondition I don't know if this is the right one for you. here is a picture of it.



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I've got several rebuilt VR's and maybe a few that aren't. $35 + shipping each. One or all.

Does anyone know what I could do with the one I have right now? Can I sell it or would nobody want it? It does look a lot better now that I cleaned it up and I did get the linkages on the side to start moving around but I don't really want to mess with it anymore.

Store it away, someday you'll find a pump w/o one & you'll have it.

I found a computer and am working out the shipping right now. Hopefully it will fit. Also I am really concidering taking at least the bottom part appart of the old one and working on it. I really can't see it getting any worse and it does sound like fun and I really think I can figure it out.

The computer you need will have to have the "garbage Can" looking dash pot & large spring on the side.
the others pictured are NOT the ones you need.
If yours goes to 1.99 9/10 it is a 2002
if it goes to 2.99 9/10 it is a 2002-E
Either way it is a semi-automatic computer requiring 2 reset levers,,, one is for on/off and reloading the spring
One is for releasing the spring for reset.

I believe that the one I am currently buying has those parts. The computer I have now and the one that I am getting both only go up to .99 9/10. What does that "garbage can" looking part do anyway? Been trying to figure that out.

Had a short lived victory with the old one. I actually got the thing to start counting gallons and got the stuff on the side to start sliding sort of like it should. The gears where the bottom with the price reels attaches to the top with the gallon and price reels are not meshing right but I did get the thing to count out a few gallons while turning it by hand and it did reset but I ended up snapping that little cup that attaches to the handle on the side of the pump off. Oh well. I'm getting a nice clean one soon so it is not that big of a deal. I will save this one for a pump that I don't want to put a motor in.

The "Dash Pot" on the side slows the spring down to keep from slamming into position. There is a small leather cup inside and a small hole in the piston/plunger to release air at a slower rate. That is what slows the spring action.
There is also a computer that does not use the dashpot though it may be added. Most of the time they are in Tokheim pumps and are referred to as "SLAMBACKS"
The spring will not be slowed by the dash pot and keep your fingers clear when you reset!!!!!

On a semi auto,, you load the spring with one coupling and release it with the other....when you release the spring it will reset and be ready to count....if you do not understand the order in which it works and do not have it in the run position you may not be able to make it work right.

Do not rely on what or how many wheels to identify these types of computers.
The way to identify is by the reset mechs on the side.
There are Through Shafts, Extended Center Shafts, Semi Automatic, Slambacks, etc.,some use electric resets..which are set up for G&B, or setup for Tokheim,,,,there are several different models that at first look the same but are not the same....you can't judge a computer by what wheels it has, you have to look at the PARTS on the sides.
The pic HI-Octane posted is for an electric reset....possibly G&B or Southwest....definatly NOT a Tokheim electric reset.

The computer in your post is either a 2002 or 2002-E the smaller price wheel on the left is for 1 or 2 dollar price mode.
It will go higher than 99 9/10.

I just notcied that it says 2002 in the begining of the serial number. Did not know that they put the model number in there too. I also did not even realize that the little black thing in the front was a price wheel. I thought it was just some thing that was put there for some unknown reason. I guess it is because there are no numbers on it. How do you set it for more than 99.9 cents? It has the little reel but there are only 3 of the price changing things that you move either up or down inside the gear box at the bottom.

change from 99 to 100 mode w/ short rounded end RANGE shifter.
It is on top of the variator on the right side of one of the 10ths wheels...it should be locked down by a carter pin

It looks like the one I bought is an electric reset one but the cool thing is it works in my pump. The reset lever does not reset it anymore but I can move the gear into the position to make it run and I can run the computer with a motor without having to remove the nozzle now. The reset lever will even hook up to the cup thing on the side of the gear and gravity will keep it in the correct position.