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Started tearing into my newly acquired 36b this week and im wondering if i should remove the guts ?

Also wondering what guys do to adding a switch to turn the lights on and off

This is a big subject here which has been debated here over and over. Its really up to you and how often you are going to move it and where it is going to be put. Inside the house? etc. I prefer to leave the guts in. John

some will say yes, and some will say no.me,i remove them so i dont have the extra weight when i gotta move it around(and this does seem to happen often)when possible i rewire and use the original switch.otherwise you can do whatever you want.i have added touch switches to some of my pumps,but you have to have a good clean groundanytype of on off switch will work.

I prefer to remove the guts. Lighter and no smell.

Once the pump is done it will sit in 1 spot... so i think i'll leave the guts in. As for the "original switch" where is that found ? I did find a red and black wire coming out of a pipe that also runs to the light sockets

Look in the Little Hole [on side panel, size of a pencil] that has nothing sticking out of it!

little plunger looking thing eh

yep!dats it!

In general,I like to leave the guts in them.Cleaning the guts with oven cleaner helps clean the varnish off,and remove some of the smell too.If your pump is going to be outside,or in a easily accesible area,leaving the guts in it can aid greatly in keeping thieves from stealing it.

I think if its going to sit outside you should consider leaving the guts in. Not only does it make it harder for thieves, it stop the wind from moving it. At least where I am at anyway. 30 mph winds with guts over 40+ are pretty common where I'm at in the spring and winter (My neighbors are on their third trampoline and they anchor it down!) If you are going to put it inside I would consider taking the guts out. Man room or not It will likely get moved around. Especially if your married. My two cents

My pump is outside of my garage and I wired it to a photo electric sensor so it comes on automatically at night and shuts off in the day. I have the energy saver bulbs in it and it provides just the right amount of light in my driveway.
If you are going to have it inside, plug it in to a switched outlet. If you dont have one in the area, you can get a wireless module to convert an outlet to a switched outlet. You can also have a switch on the wire outside of the pump, like some lamps have (oval-ish shaped with a round dial you turn for on and off) Im sure some electric guys will know the name of what I mean!
John

Scrap the guts. To much weight & removing them makes it much easier to move around.

Like John said, this comes up about every 3 to 4 months and the answer is always about the same about 50/50,leave in or remove. Im my case,I would never consider removing the guts from a pump. But if you chose to remove them you may want to keep them where they could be found at a later date, in case you should change your mind. Good luck, Norm.

My bennet 150 I removed them without destroying any parts and kept them, sure is a bit easier to move.

You might as well take them out because in a couple years, after you've moved it a couple of times, you'll get fed up and gut it anyway! Now get out to the shop an "gut that sucker"!

Do you really want to see the guts of a pump. Nothing but dead weight. Who opens the doors on a pump any ways. To see how good the restoration is on the inside. A lot of pumps when you open the doors you end up scratching the paint.

Alex's mention of eliminating the smell, he is not talking about the smell from the outside of the meter, it is the smell coming from inside the meter. Guaranteed, there is at least one gallon of the worst smelling gasoline in that meter, just waiting to drip out.

Jack Sim

I agree with the outside portion, leave them in for theft and the wind.
If's it goes inside I would take them out, they really have no purpose, and the internal LEAD content can't be good.
Post some pics with your progress.

Tore some more of it apart last night and when taking the sight globes off my hands smelt like rank a$$

Guts will be coming out even though the pump will stay inside the garage.

Will post some pics tonite of the teardown and the half a bale of straw that was placed ever so perfectly from some birds and the 35 or so bee's nests

I knew you would come around.....LOL

In all actuality, w/out guts, you are restoring a PUMP CABINET not a pump.

Good point but I like pump cabinets not pump guts!!

Keith

Its amazing some of the things that little critters can pack up into a pump because they consider it home!!
I have to remark about the old gas smell that some say smells like money! That smell might be fine to most of us collectors but my wonderful wife( "the warden") won't even allow my dirty clothes into the house when I get that stuff on me! Many times, I've had to disrobe in the entry way and throw the clothes directly into the washer, where they endure at least 2 wash cycles!!
Excellent choice to gut the thing!!

"In all actuality, w/out guts, you are restoring a PUMP CABINET not a pump."


thanx for the kick in the junk

here she is getting stripped down

Kevin, THAT WAS TOO MUCH INFO !

Tiller, You'll find out that even W/O the guts, a 36B is still a HEAVY pump to move around.
db

IF YOUR NOT PUMPING FUEL,I REALLY DO NOT SEE THE POINT ,EVERYTHING BELOW THE VEEDER ROOT I WOULD DROP,HOWEVER .......THAT 1/2" PIPE THATS RUNNING DOWN FROM YOUR LIGHT MANIFOLD ALLLLLL THE WAY TOO THE BOTTOM OF PUMP W/TWO WIRES POKING OUT JUST ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU THINK YOU CAN GRAB IT WITH NEEDLE NOSE AND THEN YOU FAIL TO DO SO !LOL.......,LEAVE THAT ALONE FOR NOW,UNTIL YOU ADDRESS YOUR ELECTRICAL ,ITS A REAL PAIN IN THE @SS TO REWIRE WITH NEW CONDUIT AND USE THAT ORIGINAL SWITCH,BUTTTTTTTTT WHEN YOUR DONE,,,,ITS A REAL SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT! GOOD LUCK!

When dealing with old items I learned to NEVER throw anything out. I'd feel disloyal to the internal parts of my CUT 83 pumps because they waited inside since 1928. So I lovingly restored them. Nobody will ever see them but I KNOW they are in there!!

NICE JOB on pump mech. Will the sheet metal have an acyrlic window panel so you can see the restored pump mech.?

Tis a bit different w/ a visible or hand operated pump, you need it to hold the pump handle.
IF it had been electric operated, there is really no need to save the pump & motor. Be glad that Air Operated pumps used air from compressor located inside/outside the station [250-500# compressors].

Dick, It's not a question of need. I admit only a fanatic polishes the brass cylinders (seen on the "restored" picture beneath the original view in the post) that are never seen!
On the other hand, we live in earthquake country and more lower mass is helpful during those "minor" shakes. For the BIG ONE I've attached the pumps to lag bolts in the wall studs via steel cables.

Beleive it or not, there are idiots out there
that restore those old computers.

can u point me in the direction for a rebuilt one for my 36 ? id even send ya the one i have for a partial trade if ya got 1

If I can ever get my back better I will start
up & going again but for now I have everyone on hold.

I am guessing that about 70% of the people who check out my pumps are not collectors of petro stuff. They just like old things from their younger days, and just sightseers. When they come into the garage and spot the gas pumps, 4 visables and 4 electrics they want to know all about them. I do not hesitate to open the doors and show how they pump. And as you know taking the door off a Gilbarco with that funky little screw can be tricky. and yes, when they run you can smell the old gas odor but not for long. I personally perfer a complete pump and I do admit to installing a new NAPA brand drive belt on them. I just explain that "Its a Norm thing".

do u by chance have a computer for my pump?

Also need to know what size globe was standard on this pump

will be making a xmas list for some items from Vics and another site to start the rebuild

I rebuild them on a core exchange basis.......
Send in a core get the same model back rebuilt.
The one above is in MY collection and is more than what is normally done so don't expect THAT for what I charge for a normal rebuild.

V-R I.D. C.D. 1932 to 1955 will be ready soon
Got the cds, got the lables, almost finished w/ editing.