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Well, if I post this maybe I will get some feedback from other similar cases and I wont feel so bad. The owner of the Virginia st. antique mall here in Reno told me of a gent that has a bennett pump for sale cheap. I contacted him and set up an appointment to see it. His beater mobile home and run down property left the impression any money now would be welcomed. He had a Bennett 541 in good sheet metal condition all four faded ad glasses in tact. The tin face plates were badly faded as well as the meter numerals yet the meter was free and zeroed out. It looked like a one time Phillips. He picked it up years ago from a storage facility,where prior to that it served all its life at a Elko Nv. gas station. He was asking $450. Anyway I told him I would go home check prices for actual replacement restoration parts (a bluff)and call back by the eve. Thinking the waiting game would be to my favor, I called him and said it would cost a lot to bring this pump to life. So I offered $300 and he said he's taking it to the dump in the morning and hung up on me! I tried three more times that nite to offer the $450 but no answer. What an ***** I was to judge peoples living conditions thinking they could be chiseld down in there price. If I ever get a deal like that again there will be no second thoughts!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I think you screwed up on that one. Me personally I would have gave him his asking price BECAUSE of his living conditions.

I doubt he'll really take it to the dump.

But, I wouldn't want to give any of my money to someone who would respond that way to simple negotiation rather than just standing firm on the price or giving a counteroffer like a normal human being.

I guess the moral of the story is that you never know when you might be dealing with a nut case.

Wes

Too bad you blew that one..That`s a nice pump at an even better price! Doubt it is at the dump. I would try having a friend contact him and pay the full asking price.

Were you the guy that offered me $2 for a can I was selling for $5!
I sat the can on ground & STOMPED it, saying NOW it's a $2 can. LOL

I had to say it but I bought the pump for $450...you knew it was worth it......so you snooze you loose....lol

news travels fast and so do you.

Don't know what's funnier ? Your story, or DB's. : )

That's rough!

Doug... Glad to see that you stop by. How've you been?

As for DB's story.... I dont negotiate. I'm not a harda$$. Its just that I make it fair. Thats all... Sorry Roger.

I wouldn't bet against the guy scrapping it. I rejected an insulting offer on a sign at a swap meet. As the guy that made the offer stepped away the next guy said he'd give me what I was asking. I said no, and gave it to him for the price the first guy offered, pr maybe less. I don't remember. The first guy was still within earshot and he was not happy!
The 541 was a bargain at $450. You should have jumped on it at that price. Instead you lost out on a nice pump because you insulted the seller with your offer.

Atta boy DB!
Some people are so intent on beating up the sellers that they forget to enjoy the hobby.
I bet you got $5 worth of enjoyment out of stomping that can.

Roger, your offer may have been "the straw that broke the camel's back". Especially if you weren't the first to "try and low ball" him. He may have had enough?

Sometimes, trying to get a better price can "bite one right on the a$$. As Bob's experience proves.

Doug, it is nice to see you posting more, my friend.

Expression on his face was PRICELESS.

I guess lesson here is if the guy is asking to much for something, you try to offer a lower price to get it reasonable. If the guy is asking a cheap price and you offer a lower price... well then that is crazy. LOL

Couple of good/funny stories here.

If an item is in my price range that I am willing to pay I will never walk away from it. I may try to negotiate some but I never walk away. I bought a 541 a couple months ago for $450 also. I asked him if that was his best price and he siad yes so I bought it. Then he tells me he knows of another one and I get first chance to buy it since I bought this one. Still waiting on that one.

Keith

make me a offer, you will not insult me. If you offer 200 for a 500 item I will just say I can't go that low. Life is to short to get mad over a offer on a item.

Sounds like you just insulted the guy and you thought you were going to pick up that pump dirt cheap. I think if I was the seller I would have done the same thing if you tried to low ball me like that. He probably knew more about the pumps value then you gave him credit for. He probably talked to the guy at antique store and got some kind of information about it. The same place you found out about it.

Roger,
I don't care what these guys are saying about you doing a bad deal and that you should have jumped on it. This is a buyer and seller market, he tells you what he wants, you tell him what you are willing to pay. Now, my next response is, somethere between these two prices is a place where we can both agree on.
Many purchases require negotiation, you just didn't get that far.
The only time I pay what the seller wants is when he has set a rediciouly low price.
You got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away.

Jack Sim

Why does life have to be a big game, I am like Thunder, I set a reasonable price, you want it you buy it. I do the same when I am at a Show or Flea Market buying, If I like it I buy it, sometimes I may ask if they can do better, BUT I myself will never give an Insulting Lowball offer, I always put myself in the position of the buyer. Am I crazy ?, Could I buy things cheaper ? Who knows, But I feel good about myself after.

ALL OF US HAVE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER!! WIN OR LOSE.

In my opinion, You stereotyped the guy from the beginning!
That was your biggest mistake.
So what if he lives in a mobil home! Your NOT buying the mobil home? If he lived in a mansion would you have offered MORE money?
The guy in the mobil home probably has more money than any of us!
After beating the pump up you Low balled him? WOW!
I can see why he got angry!
If someone low balls me at a show, I tell them to grow some balls and come back and see me!(with a smile) LOL

...LOL...

I had a guy play with me on a used but expensive gate I was selling. He commited then proceded to play with me. After a while I told him the gate wasnt for sale any more. All the sudden the shoe was on the other foot. He didnt like it at all. I sold it to a guy who saw the value in the gate then traded the guy a $10.00 garage door opener for a Wayne 70. It felt good leaving the other guy in the dust. The richest guy on our road lives in a rat trap with junk all around him.Of course he owns a scrap metal yard in town. You know, a guy just has to drag it home.

Jack,
So you're saying if someone needs a gas pump identification or air meter book they should try to negotiate a lower price from you?
Bob

I would get angry too if you showed up at my place trying to lowball me and I can obviously tell you are better off financialy than I am. I would have considered it an insult if I was him.

Would it p*ss you off if Donald Trump tried to lowball you on a property you want to sell?....
This is in no means an attack on you, just my perspective on the situation.

Hillside... love the avatar! Shidders full! Clark... how many squirrels are in that tree!
Sorry... i don't mean to get off topic.
Joe, better yet what if the state wanted to buy his house and low balled it?

I live in a Mobile Home & have Pump Stuff in car port!
Ain't got no job, mortgage & '99 Dodge.
Shidders full! Clark.

I called last night and left voice mail, no reply yet. I would go back over but as remote as his place is Im sure theres a Winchester in closet. Im the most giving and honest guy you could find, but in this case I was out of character and lost out. Maybe it was ment to be with the pumps I still have to do now. Anyway, Dick I dont think it was me that offered you $2.00 for a $5.00 can, cause you would have had oil everywhere when you stomped it. I buy and collect only full cans. If I get a connection with this guy again over this "541" I will give him his $450 and let you all know.

I was selling a very nice MGA once and the guy asked to have it checked out. I agreed and his buddy who ownd a shop went over tha car and made a list. Of course the cost of the repairs was in the $3000 range and it all was bogus. The car was a steal at the $6000 I was asking as it was restored a couple of years previous. To make a long story short I took his list, bought all of the required parts to make the repairs... a whopping $75 worth of parts. Made the repairs in about an hour and a half. Called the guy up and offered him the car again. He said sure but what about the price. Told him all of the repairs were done per the list and he could have that car for the $6000 plus the $3000 in repairs I had to do for a total of $9000 and hung up. A guy flew in from Chicago a few days later to look at the car loved it but said I have to ask, what can you do on the price. I said buy it and I'll pay for your plane ticket. He laughed and said deal. Picked the car up about a month later and drove it back to Chicago. He was one happy buyer who to this day sends me a Christmas card with a picture of him and the car every year at a different location where he and his wife have gone on vacation in it.

if you guys wouldve seen some of the offers i got on some of the maps i sold awhile back,you would of been laughing your heads off.i did!

Just got an email from an Ebay buyer on the DX can I have listed on Ebay now. Starting price is $15.00 plus $10.00 priority shipping (can is full). He offers me $8.00 plus I ship the can for free. Now the can is not that great but it is not terrible either so he wants me to give him the can for free and I lose $2.00 shipping the can to him. I think I would rather do what DB did than sell this guy the can. I can understand the insult part.

Keith

I remember when you did that. Wish I could find that thread.

What I hate is when someone lowballs an uninformed seller and gets away with it and then laughs about it.Word gets around.I think it's bad for the hobby.

Sounds like "Pickers" on Monday night!

This thread is great... i would love to hear more stories!
My brother in law i swear is part jewish because he jews everyone down. LOL If it was free he would want them to deliver it. LOL



This post is not to offend the jewish by the way... that was a joke.

This is a small pet pieve so I'll offer my $.02

I'm at a loss for people that have so much "pride" in the asking price to take low offers as an "insult".
I dont understand the overreaction to such a simple thing.

I counteroffer asking price-old signs, new cars, even $5 oil cans....
Doesn't always work, sometimes it does. I offer what I want to pay for an item.

All I need is a yes,no or somewhere in the middle, not some long explanation. No need to hang up, cuss me out,etc.
Am I talking about their mother or sister? No!
Are they assuming since I JUST met them I know what will or will not insult them?

Here are my answers to ANY offer:

"I'm firm on the price"
"No thanks"
"I'll go down to $XX.XX"

Mark Standard

Bargaining is one thing; lowballing, another. Lowballers waste your time - how much is that worth?

Mark, you are telling us, "HOW YOU FEEL and WHAT YOU WOULD DO". And it is great, for you, that you feel that way!

Last I checked though, we are all individuals and as such react differently to things that please us and insults us. Just because you wouldn't be upset, doesn't mean that everyone else has to or should react or feel as you do.

This person who owns the pump, reacted in a way that was correct for him, at the moment. And since they aren't returning phone calls, I will hazard a guess that it is still correct FOR THEM.

If someone else says I wouldn't react that way so there is something wrong with the first person.....

IMO, they might want to take a closer look at themselves and ask; am I so perfect that everyone else has to react like me?

When I get upset with people and I do often because I am very opinionated! Way too much so!! I lately have been taking a deep breath and ask myself the same question I just mentioned above. Why should I expect people to react as I would or as I want them to?

Is it OK then to offer a price when somebody has a set price? Lets say I am selling a sign for $100.00. That means I want 100 dollars for it, not $99.99 or any other lower amount. If I want less than that, or want to entertain offers, then I will ask the lesser amount right off the bat or say $100.00 OBO (OR BEST OFFER).

But then again, there are people who will want $100.00 for their sign, and mark it up to $125.00 so they have the wiggle room to lower it to $100.00 for the buyer, so the buyer feels like he got a good deal. My head hurts now.

I have to say Bob, you are making some very good points on this topic.

Mark, It's not so much that someone makes a counter offer. It's often how that offer is delivered.
Bob

call from a different phone!!

Boing!, LOL why didn't I think of that

I thnk i ma gettung dmber aftr reding al thsi

THANKS for finding that OLD thread Bob, LOTS of good reading in it also.

Bob,
I dont expect everyone to react like I do.

What I don't understand is WHY the people that do react that way, do.

Is the item tied to who they are and the price they are asking reflects part of them?

My question would be to the guy in the trailer-"what was the buyers offense to necessitate you hanging up on them and threatening the dump"? What did that accomplish for you? Getting back at the buyer? Do you do that with everyone you deal with?

What percentage of the asking price is considered an insult?

I'm just trying to understand peoples behavior.

"I'm just trying to understand peoples behavior" in this day and age ,an impossible task,i'm afraid.

Why is it so important that you always get something at the lowest possible cost?Personally,I don't look at it that way.I'll pay what it takes to get what I want if it improves my collection.I won't do anything crazy,but I do pay what I think things are worth.

Mark,
I can't say why the owner of the pump acted the way he did. As someone that used to sell at swap meets I can tell you some "buyers" can really aggravate sellers. "I'll give ya..." will often get very different results than "will you take...".
15 or so years ago someone did a feature in Check The Oil about the different types of buyers he encountered at swap meets. He finished the article by relating a story of a buyer that made a lowball offer on a fairly priced decal he had for sale. He pulled out a dollar bill and handed it to the guy and told him to go away.

Mark, why do you have to understand, why people do what they do?

Just accept that we are all different, we react different to the same circumstances.

As to the percentage of people who would react negatively, quite a few here stated that there is a good chance they would be insulted. So I'm thinking that the percentage would surprise you.

As to "Is the item tied to who they are and the price they are asking reflects part of them?" Think about it, the answer for most people is a resounding YES!!!!!!

Someone makes a slight about your home, car, collection etc. don't you get offended? Most of the people I know do. It is YOUR item and someone may not like them or value them as much as you. But,that person doesn't have the right to disparage them.

I'm just guessing, since I don't know the seller/owner of pump nor do I know Roger. But, I think if Roger had really thought the asking price on the pump was too high, they might have been able to work out a deal.

"Why is it so important that you always get something at the lowest possible cost? ....but I do pay what I think things are worth."

Old Iron, that is exactly what I'm doing-paying what I think things are worth. Worth being a relative term.
What I think something is worth and what the seller thinks it's worth are different. Most of my friends wouldn't buy most of my stuff at any price. Especially my wife.

So that means I have a lot of "fair" condition items-that stay in the garage and not in the house.

I imagine you have some excellent items in your collection that you paid good money for. Many of the guys on here do-have collections of top quality stuff.

I just dont.
Mark

"Mark, why do you have to understand, why people do what they do?"

Bob it helps me deal with the next person better than the first.

"Just accept that we are all different, we react different to the same circumstances.

As to the percentage of people who would react negatively, quite a few here stated that there is a good chance they would be insulted. So I'm thinking that the percentage would surprise you.

As to "Is the item tied to who they are and the price they are asking reflects part of them?" Think about it, the answer for most people is a resounding YES!!!!!!

Someone makes a slight about your home, car, collection etc. don't you get offended? Most of the people I know do. It is YOUR item and someone may not like them or value them as much as you. But,that person doesn't have the right to disparage them."
Bob I would not get offended in those cases-I just laugh and agree with them. Yes I am suprised at the number of people who would be insulted. If I've insulted anyone here with any of my offers or business dealings, then please forgive me.
I just dont find myself that sensitive about such things.
I could understand personal attacks on my family/wife to illicit such behavior, but not on my stuff.

Mark, I wish I had your strength of character, I really do!

I am also amazed at the amount of people who would be insulted. My mother once said it never hurts to ask as long as you are polite.

Mark,hang in there.Do it your way.It's your collection and your hobby to enjoy as you see fit.As to my collection,it is what it is.But I will guarentee you that it was assembled for my own enjoyment with little if any regard for what others thought.Go for it Mark!!Your way!!

Thanks guys. I'm not trying to stir up a hornets nest. I try to be polite with all my offers(I am trying to get that item.) and if they are asking $100, I would never offer $25.

The worst I can get is a no, ( or a $$^%^%&!!! you cheap %^%&&&!!!)
Mark

Are we trying to ***** him off now? LOL

Hey Roger,

I'd call the guy one more time, tell him you thought it over, had a change of heart, really want to fix-up the old pump, and will offer him $500 (the $450 he wanted & $50 for his trouble). What's $50 to get what you want, learn a lesson, & patch-up the relationship.

Mike in Minny

Stereotyping works both ways. I think it's just part of the game.

Many of us have lowered the offer or changed our mindset when we assumed the conditions would bare a lower offer. How many times have you been to an auction and the "rough" looking guy in the back blew your socks off?

But with this being said, I have had prices increased to me when sellers thought I would or was capable of paying more.

Just a few weeks ago I was traveling in rural Oklahoma in my company car and saw a 30" Aromax on a barn. Not great, maybe a 7.5 and I have an 8.5/9.0 but thought I had better stop b/c you never know and I was hoping there might be more in the barn. I opened up the conversation by saying "I'm sure you have had people stop before, but would you consider selling the sign" He replied "Yeah, 100's have stopped and offered but no one in a new Cadillac, so maybe you and I had better talk".

always took alot for me to be insulted until recently had a sunoco piece on here for sale for 1250. dropped it to 1100. after a little bit, then had a multi decade sunoco collector oldgasser offer me 100.00 shipped to him because him and a few buddys where in agreement I was asking 1k to much, what the **ll. someone low balls me like that they can go pound sand, btw sold a few days later for my asking price.

okoil hit the nail on the head. Judging people!

Story:
10 or 11 years ago me and the wife was going out to eat and i wanted to stop by this "older" guys house that deals in jukeboxes and 50's style stuff. He had an old unrestored gas pump sitting outside. Now in Nov 1999 i bought my first ever 2000 Chevy truck... which i still drive today... and pulled into his drive. Now again me and the wife was going out to eat on Friday night and was little dressed up. I got out of my truck and went up to the house to see if he was selling the gas pump. He invited me in... we chatted a bit while the wife was looking at the jukeboxes. He said "you look more like the type to be interested in fantasy shiny stuff... not an old rusted gas pump"
and that pizzed me off! My wife asked what this jukebox costs and he said $5000. What ever... i never went back to see him again. He judged me for driving a new truck and dressing nice. I guess i should have worn my old jeans and drove my old junk 1984 ford over there. LOL

i absolutely hate people who an dumb as an ox i have a fellow in town who is the the same way he has some nice gas pumps for restore nothing rare but nice old ones from 30's-50's an a few visables i went to his shop an asked what he was gonna do with them he said i was selling them i asked how much he said 4,000-8,000 each i laughed my a** off an he got ***** an said i dont give a rats a** if i sell um or not an i just walked walked out an left

I don't know how much complete 541s sell for as a rule in your area but I would have peeled off $450 so fast... Paid much more than that for one from a gasser but I lived too far away to inspect it. My mistake. My departed ex-father-in-law once told me that a deal is when two fools meet and agree--one on the sale price and one on the buy price. Had a gas dryer I was selling. Price was firm at $250.00. Guy said he understood that over the phone. Came over, looked the thing over with a fine toothed comb and his wife said $220.00. I yelled at them to get the h--l off my property and that I wouldn't sell it to them at any price because they wasted my time and didn't respect me since I told them it was $250.00.

SIMILAR SITCH A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS SELLING MY '57 FORD T-BIRD. I HAD A LOCAL COME AND LOOK IT OVER. HE KNEW MY ASKING PRICE WAS $22K AND SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR LOOKING AT EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY, ASKING QUESTIONS AND WRITING DOWN EVERYTHING THE CAR NEEDED WHICH IN THE END (HE SAID) TOTALLED OVER $10K WHICH INCLUDED A NEW RAG TOP. POINT BLANK HE OFFERED ME $8K FOR THE CAR WHICH WAS 90% RESTORED AND HAD BEEN IN MANY SHOWS AND WON SEVERAL TROPHIES!
I BASICALLY SAID, NOT INTERESTED IN THE OFFER.

ABOUT A MONTH LATER I HAD A GUY COME IN AND LOOK AT THE CAR REMEMBERING DRIVING HIS DADS WHEN HE WAS A MUCH YOUNGER MAN. I TOLD HIM WHAT THE CAR WOULD NEED TO BE DRIVEABLE AFTER SITTING FOR 12 YEARS IN THE GARAGE. AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE $22K PRICE. HE WAS EXCITED AS WAS HIS WIFE. A FEW NIGHTS LATER, HE CALLED AND OFFERED ME
$15K. SO I SAID HOW ABOUT $20K? HE CAME BACK WITH $17K ME WITH $19K AND IT ENDED AT $18K. I KNEW THE CAR WAS GOING INTO GOOD OWNERSHIP AND I WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT NUMBER AND SO WAS HE. WE PLAYED THE GAME AND CAME TO A FIGURE WE WERE BOTH GOOD WITH....HECK, IT WAS $10K MORE THAN WHAT THE OTHER GUY WAS OFFERING WHICH WAS EQUAL TO HIS PARTS & LABOR LIST WHICH WAS QUITE INFLATED.

Mike, Ive left two voice mails and I know he wont return any by now, and to drive back over there may not be in my favor either he has an outside Chow with a bad attitude. I would offer him the $450 now but its too late, I do have the address and may try a postcard with my offer. After that Im thru and will use this experience as a future tool in buying. I know I torqued him with my offer but unlike the low ballers that find me for the pumps I totally restore from the ground up myself, his bennett has seen no effort by him to even make it look presentable for a sale. Thats my thought at this point. This posting of mine has really sparked some feed backs. It touches home to all of us in a way.

LOL
Doc has Dyslexia of the fingers Also! LOL

I have been picking since before most of you were born. In 1958 I was in a barn in northern Pennsylvania trying to buy a 1929 Henderson bike. He didn't take my offer. A couple of months later I was in a ladies basement in Philadelphia looking at a 1916 Harley, she took my offer of $30.00.
There is no thing such as low-balling. You make an offer, he either accepts it or takes it. If he doesn't take it, move on, there will be something you can find tomorrow that is probably a better thing to buy.
You guys make it sound like he is buying the last 541 ever to be found. I once found five of them laying on the ground at a bulk plant, went to the owner and asked him what he was going to do with them (I never ask if anything is for sale). He said, if you want the damm things take them, and get the pumps that are in the building also. Then he goes into a closet behind his desk, brings out a Sinclair globe and says, take this too.
I don't look at this as a game, this is for real, when I make an offer for an ECO meter the offer is based on how many I have purchased in the last few months, how much money is in the bank and how much money do I owe. Just this summer I pruchased four in four weeks, when the fifth was offered to me I made a low bid because I didn't care if I got it or not. He didn't take my offer, so I just moved on. I didn't low ball him, I just made an offer.
Bob (Lastgas).
Please take a look at either of my books. On the cover it states Illustrated "GUIDE." No where in the books does it state that the prices are firm. And when you get down to it, can anyone who has bought one of my books feel that the price they paid was a waste. You negotiate on a $500 gas pump, but having a book in your hand that gives you some information about the pump is not worth $25-$30.00. Anyone who feels that they got taken by buying one of my books can send it back to me (if you bought it from me) and I will refund your money. What other author ever made that offer?
Jack Sim

Jack,
I never commented on the value of your books. In a previous post you had said "The only time I pay what the seller wants is when he has set a rediciouly low price."
Since you said you don't pay what the seller is asking unless his price is ridiculously low I was jokingly asking if you thought book buyers should try to negotiate a lower price from you. The was the tip off that I was just joking with you.

Hey Jack, I've got tons of books already, But seeing you have one available, I'll give you $6.00 if you ship it to me. I could use it for shim

...I'll start by saying that this isn't directed at anyone in particular...so if you get offended, maybe you have a guilty conscience...

...let's look at this from the seller's point of view for a minute...maybe, just for the sake of argument, he lives in a "beater mobile home" on "run down property" because that's all he can afford...so, he lists a gas pump for sale, there's someone who appears seriously interested in it...the seller might very well be counting his chickens before they hatch, anticipating a minor windfall...maybe, just maybe, he needed $450 for something important - rent, perhaps?...and along comes someone who probably looks a lot more well-off than himself - who, to judge by his appearance, can well afford $450 to buy something as trivial as an old rusted gas pump...and that person decides to try and take advantage of the seller's apparent dire financial situation by offering him 66% of his asking price...

...I've had it happen to me...delivered for free (150 mile round trip) a Bennett 746 that was straight, complete and had some surface rust...the price was agreed on...when I got there the $*&%@# low-balled me...I was in college and had to make the rent, so I had to sell it to him...I haven't had to deal with him since, thankfully...

...you see scenes in old movies where someone down on their luck goes to sell the last thing of value that they own, and get a ridiculously low offer, but have to take it, due to their desperate circumstances?...who in that scene do you empathize with?...are you thinking, 'wow that guy got a great deal', or 'that poor shmoe had to sell his Dad's gold watch'?...

...do you identify with Scrooge or Bob Cratchit?

Remember it was an antique dealer who gave him the lead to send him to his house. I am sure the antique dealer told him what he thought it was worth? Maybe the antique dealer told him it was worth $650 if it was in his store so the guy thought in reality it was worth $450? The old guy in the mobile home maybe contacted the antique dealer to see if he wanted to buy it?

You just never know...

MAYBE THE ANTIQUE DEALER IS COUNTING ON THE OTHER 34% OF THE PRICE AS A FINDERS FEE! LOL!

if you treat people fair when buying they just might call you again when they get something great....i have paid more than i have wanted to many times and usually don't regret it & it shows on my for sale prices, however if you don't like the prices, just make me an offer you won't hurt my feelings, i know it will sell eventually......

thats another part of this equation, the antique store owner....i think he deserves a finders fee, i paid out over $400 finders fees this Novemeber when i didn't have to.. but they will keep calling......