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#22603 - Thu Jan 12 2006 04:48 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
Ditto JJ Ditto
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#22604 - Thu Jan 12 2006 05:29 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
LarryIvy Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 09 2001
Loc: gilbert, az 85298
BOB,
I AM NOT CONDEMING JIM BECAUSE HE FILED A LAWSUIT ! " I DON'T CARE.... "

1) FOR LOGOS HE CUSTOM MADE WITH NEW GRAPHICS, COLORS, DESIGN, HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO COPYRIGHT AND SELL SOMETHING HE CREATED.

2) I DO NOT BELIEVE HE HAS THE ETHICAL RIGHT TO OWN AN OLD ORIGINAL IMAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLIC DOMAIN FOR EVERYONE TO USE AND THAT HE DID NOT CREATE !!!!! IT SETS A VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND HAS ALREADY HAD A DEFINITE COOLING EFFECT ON REPRODUCTION GLOBES.

3) I'M NOT JUDGING HIM ANYWAY, I AM SAYING WHAT HE IS DOING IS HURTING MY ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HOBBY AT WHATEVER LEVEL I CHOSE !

4) IF I AM THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO MAKE SOMETHING THE CONSUMER WILL PAY MORE, NOT COPYRIGHT LAW, ECONOMICS 101.

5)IF I AM THE ONLY ONE LICENSED TO MAKE SOMETHING AND THE $ RETURN DOESN'T SATISFY ME...IT WON'T GET MADE.

6)IF YOU, HUBBA, LANCE, AND SETH ARE SO CONVINCED THAT THIS IS A JUSTIFIABLE ACTION RELATIVE TO DEFENDING THE LAWSUIT, THEN WE SHOULD NOT SEE ANYMORE COPYRIGHT GRABS OF OLD EXISTANT LOGOS SUBEQUENT TO THIS LAWSUIT ? RIGHT ? I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE EGG ON YOUR FACES.

LARRY IVY
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#22605 - Thu Jan 12 2006 05:37 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
LarryIvy Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 09 2001
Loc: gilbert, az 85298
JJ, et al
Some Hobbiest build cars and drive them.
Some collect the hood ornaments.
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Larry Ivy
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#22606 - Thu Jan 12 2006 05:50 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
2) I DO NOT BELIEVE HE HAS THE ETHICAL RIGHT TO OWN AN OLD ORIGINAL IMAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLIC DOMAIN FOR EVERYONE TO USE AND THAT HE DID NOT CREATE !!!!!

6)IF YOU, HUBBA, LANCE, AND SETH ARE SO CONVINCED THAT THIS IS A JUSTIFIABLE ACTION RELATIVE TO DEFENDING THE LAWSUIT, THEN WE SHOULD NOT SEE ANYMORE COPYRIGHT GRABS OF OLD EXISTANT LOGOS SUBEQUENT TO THIS LAWSUIT ? RIGHT ? I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE EGG ON YOUR FACES.

LARRY IVY

Defending someone's right to file a lawsuit doesn't have anything to do with what you feel is ethical. Jim is within his legal rights to file a lawsuit. I never mentioned whether I thought what he was doing was ethical or not. I did say that people shouldn't condemn him just because he filed a lawsuit. No one but those involved know all of the reasons that lead to the lawsuit.

As far as how copyrighting affects the hobby....well lets just say that we probably haven't heard the last about this subject!
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#22607 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:05 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
Kysoilman Offline
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Registered: Sun Apr 22 2001
Loc: Owenton, KY U.S.A.
....
JJ, et al
Some Hobbiest build cars and drive them.
Some collect the hood ornaments.
.
Larry Ivy
Premopetrol

JUST BECAUSE JJ LIKES ORGINAL STUFF IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO PUT HIM OR ANYONE ELSE DOWN...... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE HOBBY LATELY..?
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Rex..I edited your post a bit but left the content. Thanks for understanding my friend.
hubba
REX LIKES THIS HOBBY

[This message has been edited by djhubba (edited 01-12-2006).]

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#22608 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:21 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
LarryIvy Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 09 2001
Loc: gilbert, az 85298
Bob,

You totally missed my point, if these copyrights were merely a defense in this lawsuit they shouldn't be necessary once this lawsuit is settled ? Right BOB ? What would be the use in grabbing something not relative to this case ?
Also I apologize to you because it does effect you as a globe or sign collector. Any progress in marking Limited repro runs will go back underground to hamper traceability.
Larry Ivy
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#22609 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:23 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
BLange Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 12 2005
Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
Anyone got a bet when this ones gonna get locked?
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#22610 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:28 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
LarryIvy Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 09 2001
Loc: gilbert, az 85298
KYSOIL
Its very interesting to see how you interpret my statement as a put down but JJ's wasn't ? I guess its all about whose ox is being gored ?

Petty namecalling aside, I'm not here lauding what I have done for the hobby, I'm defending my right to participate at what ever level I see fit, not what someone forces on me. If my position offends you, start another thread where you can all hold hands and sing.

Larry Ivy
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#22611 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:29 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
Bob,
You totally missed my point, if these copyrights were merely a defense in this lawsuit they shouldn't be necessary once this lawsuit is settled ? Right BOB ? What would be the use in grabbing something not relative to this case ?
Also I apologize to you because it does effect you as a globe or sign collector. Any progress in marking Limited repro runs will go back underground to hamper traceability.
Larry Ivy
Premopetrol
Larry,
Do you REALLY think the underlying reasons for the lawsuit are about copyright? Or do you think thats just a byproduct of the company splitting up.
Also, I don't remember reading where anyone disagreed with you on how this affects the hobby.
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#22612 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:30 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
djhubba Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 24 2003
Loc: Seattle WA
Lets express our views nicely guys..i am still at work and trying to keep up my moderation duties while manning the tattoo shop as well..LOL. Some of you post quicker than i can moderate...LOL

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#22613 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:35 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
LarryIvy Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 09 2001
Loc: gilbert, az 85298
Do you REALLY think the underlying reasons for the lawsuit are about copyright? Or do you think thats just a byproduct of the company splitting up.

No Bob, I think the reason for filing copyright is incidental to the lawsuit and will continue. I actually hope it doesn't.

Again, I'm not prejudging any legal action,
I just don't agree with what Jim is doing in one instance. I don't dislike him, I just don't support what he is doing and I have as much right to defend my position as he does his. Actually I was wanting to see how long we could discuss something on this site without the namecalling. If you want, you can ban me and I promise I will wear it like a badge of honor. Dwaine will be jealous !

PremoPetrol (edited 01-12-2006).]

[This message has been edited by PremoPetrol (edited 01-12-2006).]
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#22614 - Thu Jan 12 2006 06:51 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
59fairlane Offline
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Registered: Wed May 18 2005
Loc: Interlaken, NY
Time to bury this horse then bury the shovel......
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#22615 - Thu Jan 12 2006 07:21 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
Jarvis Offline
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Registered: Wed Nov 01 2000
Loc: Evansville, In
I see were still having fun!

I want to add to your post Larry... i like original hood ornaments and not those cheap repro ones.

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#22616 - Thu Jan 12 2006 07:25 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
THE AMERICAN GARAGE Offline
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Registered: Wed Jun 02 2004
Loc: PECONIC BAY, L.I., NY, USA
"AMEN" AS THE PRAYER ENDED AND THE CHURCH DOORS FLEW OPEN AND EVERYONE LEFT TOGETHER AND WENT THEIR SEPARATE WAYS IN THE HOBBY CALLED "PETROLIANA."

PLEASE LOCK THIS DRIBBLE......ER, THREAD.....PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LOCK IT!

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#22617 - Thu Jan 12 2006 07:40 PM Re: Where is this hobby headed?
racemad55 Offline
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Registered: Tue May 11 2004
Loc: Lake Luzerne Ny
Doc,you can do whatever you want to with those pictures I sent of my big SOCONY billboard sign,even paint a copy,enjoy!

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