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New Generation Signage #233288
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Hello Forum Members - I came up with this post to help shed some light on the high quality of some of the newer signs that have recently been released.

Let me make a blanket statement that I’m not trying to sell this or other signs to any of the forum members. I only wish to expose this sign to hopefully dispel the rumors that all reproduction and newer signs are only scrap!

First off, it’s important to note this sign cannot be termed a reproduction, since it really does no replicate any existing sign from the past. This sign displays the recognizable Pegasus horse mounted on a flange, since the sign is 2-sided it offers the beauty and appearance of the horse jumping into space.

This product is typical of some of the newer signs we offer on our site. Unlike some of the other product out there, these signs have a quality of their own. Instead of just printing on flat straight cut piece of steel with a primed back, this sign is laser cut precisely like no other sign companies have offered in the past. If I can draw your attention to the close up images of the head or the front hoofs, you see that the laser actually rounds the edges of the steel therefore enabling just as much paint to be applied to the edge as on the field of the sign. You’ll also notice the fine blue trim line on the edges, which is thickened to again protect the sign from common chipping and rust spots that appear when the sign is mounted outdoors. Also pay attention to the surface of the sign, this coating gives both the illusion and durability of porcelain however unlike porcelain, this surface will never chip out have plugs missing when someone throws a stone at the sign.

This is an expensive sign to make since the there is both inside and outside cuts which all increase the time it takes to manufacture this product. In addition while most signs are made of 18-20, gauge steel, this sign is manufactured of even thicker material.

All in all, regardless of if you’re a vintage collector or just a guy who is dressing up his garage or basement, this sign can only enhance anyone gas collection. I hope I was able to shed some light on the new technology of both re-issue and new release signs.

Thanks

Mike










Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233290
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...moderator: please move this topic to the 'Known & Suspected Unmarked Reproductions' forum, where it will do the most good...


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: gulfiend!] #233295
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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: gulfiend!] #233296
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Gulfriend,

Hello - This is not in any form of a known & suspected Reproduction sign of any sign from the past and has no place in a forum to where others are taking advantage of anyone.

I put up the post just to share it with other collectors and forum members.

Thanks for your consideration!

Mike

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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233297
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I have a lot of thoughts on this matter but somehow, knowing the explosive nature of this whole topic, I think it best to say nothing. Let's all try to use some restraint because this could turn ugly quickly.


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: lordparaffin] #233298
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THEY NEED TO BE DATED, in a way that will damage the sign if removed.


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And I collect big old porcelain neon signs
Re: New Generation Signage [Re: porcelain-neon] #233299
Sun Feb 13 2011 11:28 AM
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This sign appears to be undated, so it has been moved to the proper forum.


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: porcelain-neon] #233300
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I did want to note that I have been discussing markings with the manufacture and we are now looking into embossing a date and number in the inside portion of the 90 angle of the flange which would make it almost impossible to remove.

Thanks

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: porcelain-neon] #233303
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Mike lets not pretend that you know anything about manufacturing it takes no time to lazer cut 16 ga steel you can lazer cut these signs for 3.oo each and 10-1 they are not painted but powder coated.

ward

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233304
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I DON'T OFTEN TYPE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK I'M YELLING...PLEASE CONSIDER THIS TO BE YELLING, AS YOU SEEM TO BE 'TONE DEAF' TO WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE HAS BEEN SAYING TO YOU...

...YOUR SIGN IS NOT DATED - SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE WILL BUY ONE OF THOSE SIGNS, BECAUSE IT WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO THEM THAT ANYONE WOULD MAKE SUCH A THING TODAY, AS IT SERVES NO PURPOSE OTHER THAN TO DECORATE (LIKE EARRINGS!) UNLIKE SIGNS MADE 75 YEARS AGO, WHICH WERE MADE TO ADVERTISE A PRODUCT...SOMEONE WHO SELLS YOUR SIGNS IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT PERSON...EITHER NOW, OR DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN THAT SIGN IS SOLD AND RESOLD...

...NOW HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND...YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR METHODS OR GO ON WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING...

...I SUPPOSE YOU GOT TIRED OF TRYING TO MAKE A BUCK OFF OF ORIGINAL ITEMS, AS IT'S HARDER TO SUPPLY THAT DEMAND, AND SAW THIS AS A LOT EASIER...


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233305
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I'm confused why on a sign that is not a reproduction of any sign in existence would be moved to this forum . . .

The post was put up as general information for the forum members only.

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233306
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I guess you do not want to respond to my question/ Your question is simple date it on the flange and it is over other than that it is a un marked repo re issue repo fantasy they are all the same.

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: ward zaharia] #233307
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I am really suprized this post is still up?
Also I sure did like the number of post showing!! It gave me a little better idea on who's thoughts I was reading

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233308
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I just ask that you guys play fair . . . I found numerous items in the general discussion forums that were not original and not dated yet they don't appear on this forum why is that?

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233309
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Okay Mike:

Read this r e a l slow and maybe you can understand.

In twenty years when this sign has hung in the weather and aged - a new collector won't be able to tell if this is an original piece produced by Mobil or something produced by an unscrupulous sign-maker.

Was that clear enough for you?

BTW - are these authorized by Mobil Corporation?

Later . . .

Jim

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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: T-way] #233311
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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: T-way] #233313
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Mike you came on here spouting garbage about lazer cutting ect wow you can draw a horse and have it lazer cut and powder coated we do not care.

ward

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233315
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Originally Posted By: Mikemas
I'm confused why on a sign that is not a reproduction of any sign in existence would be moved to this forum . . .



How about "because I said so"? Is that good enough for you?

Ryan


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: ward zaharia] #233322
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Originally Posted By: ward zaharia
Mike you came on here spouting garbage about lazer cutting ect wow you can draw a horse and have it lazer cut and powder coated we do not care.

ward


Ward,

But just maybe others do - There are far more reproduction items sold on Ebay them vintage items. You guys have to realize that you can't control the needs and wants of everyone. You continue to speak in general terms of all the people but that's just your opinion. There are thousands of collectors who buy re-issue signs and hang them with their vintage signs. You can't change that you'll just have to accept it the fact that sign collecting is changing!

Remember - Nothing is Forever!

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233323
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Mike I have not seen any one say they wanted one. Furthermore that bullpoop about the lazer cutting rounding the edge is the mill thickness of the powder coat.

ward



Edited to remove bad language.

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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: ward zaharia] #233333
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Ooops sorry ryan did not think of the word I used. On a funny note I guess i beat the filter

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: ward zaharia] #233335
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I thought I read some where that since mobil is still in business you have to get copyright permission and the sign or globe has to say licensed by the mobil corporation. I know that all of the repop mobil globes that i have seen say that.


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: T-way] #233359
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That's why this board is called oldgas.......so take the newgas fake and hit the road......lmao


Cities service, Vickers, Gas and Auto neons, next exit/ ahead signs and now I'm getting into globes....

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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: ward zaharia] #233365
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Ward,

You have got to be kidding . . . do you really think any forum member is going to get up here and ask questions just to get beat up by you guys? Come on let's get serious!

Regardless of what you guys are saying here - I'd bet anything every single one of you would love to have one of those Pegasus horses stuck on a wall in your collection - come on guys Fess Up, the sign is beautiful and has flawless construction!

By the way, regarding the laser cutting remarks - you're showing your true lack of understanding of how the sign is made. You have no idea at all how that sign is made!





Originally Posted By: ward zaharia
Mike I have not seen any one say they wanted one. Furthermore that bullpoop about the lazer cutting rounding the edge is the mill thickness of the powder coat.

ward



Edited to remove bad language.

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233366
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mobil is my favorite,and no i would not want one of these!period!


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oldnfuelish] #233370
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Ok mike you think I have no idea how the sign is made prove to me how wrong I am. Tell me how earth shattering it is to cut and bend steel wait better yet tell me how expensive it is.

ward

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oldnfuelish] #233371
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I've given in to the fact I will never have the money for one of those beautiful original flying horses. I can acknowlege the quality of work that you've done. But make no mistake, a modern reproduction or fantasy will never be a "new generation" of original signs because the companies never used them and as such, I would never (knowingly) buy one as a stand alone piece. Yes, you may have a few people that quietly buy one from you.......but you will never see them bragging about they're latest repoduction/fantasy purchase. Time and again in countless hobbies, these things have always caused confusion, created havoc, and even destroyed some collecting circles. I'm still waiting to hear how the copyright issue has been addressed.


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: ward zaharia] #233372
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Ward,

Let's make it real easy - show me some of your great work . . .

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oldnfuelish] #233373
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Quote:
I'd bet anything every single one of you would love to have one of those Pegasus horses stuck on a wall in your collection

WRONG AGAIN
I Wouldn't pay the Postage IF you were giving them away.

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oldnfuelish] #233374
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Mikemas; Please show us all of these beautiful signs you have for sale. Also a picture of what you look like would be helpful, I'm very interested in your items. I would like to say hello if I see you at a show or swapmeet in the future. Your friend ;;;;;;;;;Ron

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oillease55] #233377
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mike ,mine might not have front legs yet,but its the real deal!no comparison!!LMAO


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Dick Bennett] #233379
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So far your right, Mike. I can see all the posts affirming that they want these ...... signs.

I know the historian for Exxon/Mobil as well as the historian for Chevron/Texaco used to "take a peek" at Oldgas, from time to time.

All one can hope is they still do and they start asking questions about licensing of their property.(or the lack there of)


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oillease55] #233380
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Mike Im not on this site to get into arguments I enjoy this hobby and I want to see it preserved for the future. That being said You still have not answered the copyright question, and do you not see that by not dating it will only cause confusion down the road? I feel that repop and fantasy pieces have there place but they still should be marked.


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Re: New Generation Signage [Re: Mikemas] #233384
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Ward,

Hello- Here’s another sign we offer which shows the true technology of a modern sign – please note the super porcelain like finish, also note the color of her bow in her hair and super detail of the sign.

Most important, please pay careful attention to the “Eye Lashes” on the Oil Drop Girl. This is what I'm talking about when I talk precision laser. This is a first in sign technology and only offered through our store.

Regards – Mike








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still avoiding my question


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Shawn Morris
Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oldnfuelish] #233387
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Originally Posted By: oldnfuelish
mike ,mine might not have front legs yet,but its the real deal!no comparison!!LMAO


Hey, I have to agree - your horse is the real deal and still beautiful even without legs, by the way, do you have the legs or are they still missing?

Thanks

Re: New Generation Signage [Re: oillease55] #233395
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This is going nowhere but into conflict. It appears that Mikemas is not much of a listener, so no amount of logic or abuse is going to change anything. Two moderators have agreed that this topic will be locked.


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