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Zerolene sign #233402
Sun Feb 13 2011 06:06 PM
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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: advertologist] #233425
Sun Feb 13 2011 06:40 PM
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It dont look right to me. jm2c smile


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: gasoildude] #233511
Mon Feb 14 2011 06:28 AM
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...fake...computer type...run away, run away!


Looking for better Gulf items: signs, globes, cans and paper - especially porcelain Gulf flanges, and Gulf A-38 & A-62 ad glass...
Re: Zerolene sign [Re: gulfiend!] #235121
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All of the signs that this seller is offering are fakes. I have had one of his creations in my hands. BUYERS BEWARE!!!!


Dennis Leith / Always looking for unusual Gilmore Oil Company items and Automobilia Displays
Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235124
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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235126
Sun Feb 20 2011 08:31 PM
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I hope you shipped it back w/delivery conf. & stop payment


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: advertologist] #235130
Sun Feb 20 2011 08:37 PM
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All are fakes. They are not machine made. Each one is hand painted. Not sure exactly how they are doing them, but they all have the background color aged by lightly sanding the finish and then the artwork is applied on top. When finished, then they rub off parts of the lettering to make it look old. Made on a shiny galvanized looking metal.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235132
Sun Feb 20 2011 08:41 PM
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Do you think they are made here or over seas? I would say over seas due to the labor cost. The mobil sign looks close to original. Not sure if they made these in a flange version though. Border is different from original.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: 57tbirdkid] #235137
Sun Feb 20 2011 08:49 PM
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They are metal painted signs, not porcelain, and look to be hand painted by someone who is a very good artist and striper. Most of them are either a different size than originals, or are single sided rather than double sided as originals. The Oilzum that just sold was done on the end of some kind of display, originals are porcelain, double sided. The Texaco that just sold is originally a small, double sided rack sign. Their's was a larger single sided version.

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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235142
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Has anyone reported this seller? I like the impression of glue on the back of the sign LOL... Some of them are even dated!!!


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: 57tbirdkid] #235145
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I talked to a very knowledgeable member here on oldgas, and he said that this seller has turned up at shows back east. He has seen his signs in person and says he would not take them for free. I'm not sure if he has ever been talked about here on oldgas. I hate to see people get ripped off. He sold more signs tonight and listed several more new creations.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235147
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Yea they are bringing some big money too!!!


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: 57tbirdkid] #235149
Sun Feb 20 2011 09:40 PM
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Look at his completed auctions..has a mix of originals along with special creations and a 100% feedback-
might be a relative of T Ray


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: advertologist] #235150
Sun Feb 20 2011 09:52 PM
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Look at the completed auctions that still have pictures. Look closely. I don't think ANY are real.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235153
Sun Feb 20 2011 10:04 PM
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Bill Nonenmacher bought this from him, then I emailed him to see if he had another- no- must of have been a limited addition- when there is some items questionable you kinda question everything they sell & there credibility.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=280623432152


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: advertologist] #235155
Sun Feb 20 2011 10:05 PM
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I talked to Bill last night. His is fake too.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235157
Sun Feb 20 2011 10:14 PM
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I see both of you left him positive feedback,
I was just going down his feedbacks to see if I was in the web of victims
I see dundign has been a victim 3 times

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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: advertologist] #235158
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Many members here and known collectors have bought from him. I was a little suspicious when I got it, but didn't think anyone would bother to make this particular sign. After looking closely I'm embarrassed to say it's pretty obvious that it's made up. After looking at all the pictures of the others that have sold you can see that they are all made the same way , with the roughed up background color. The give away is that most are all the wrong size, or single sided instead of double. Also they are made of a heavy galvanized, shiny finish metal. The Mobils listed tonight are fantasy signs. I emailed Tom and a couple other members to see their opinion on them.

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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235159
Sun Feb 20 2011 10:34 PM
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Those mobil restroom signs are the first like that I've ever seen and I've been at this 35+ years..somebody is trying to
pull the wool over somebodys eyes....off the subject....a 24" Richlube showed up at Vet's swap today-NICE- $200.

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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235160
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Any chance of getting your money back?

Re: Zerolene sign [Re: Dick Bennett] #235161
Sun Feb 20 2011 10:39 PM
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Db, Not sure. I have contacted 3 other members that have bought from them. Maybe if we all contact seller something will be done. I doubt it. Probably will have to go thru Paypal. Since some of these were purchased quite a while ago, not sure if they will help or care.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235164
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I would think if enough told PP their service was no longer needed & why, they'd reconsider.
Post Office might be another option if they delivered the signs [interstate fraud].

Re: Zerolene sign [Re: Dick Bennett] #235233
Mon Feb 21 2011 08:30 AM
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...it sucks that these are being made - that said, whoever hand-painted these things has obvious talent...probably some poor sap in another country getting paid $1/sign for his efforts, with little knowledge of their true purpose...I wouldn't waste my time with contacting the seller about it, if he/she is fronting ALL of these as coming from 'a friend's grandfather's barn', they obviously care very little for the truth...

...those who have been cheated but this seller should get together, print out all of their emails, as well the auction info before eBay deletes it, and contact eBay and the Post Office...if this ain't mail fraud, what is?


Looking for better Gulf items: signs, globes, cans and paper - especially porcelain Gulf flanges, and Gulf A-38 & A-62 ad glass...
Re: Zerolene sign [Re: gulfiend!] #235246
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Damb it, I just won a sign from this ***** hole. I just sent an email to them and said I wanted my money refunded. I told them I know they have not sent the sign since it is a holiday and I payed for the sign last night.

When I thought about buying the sign on ebay, I searched his name here and found nothing. Thus I felt pretty good about the bid. Then today I am board and start looking around on here and find out he's a scammer. *****!

I am recommending that in every post we make about a seller on ebay who we suspect is fake or real, we post their ebay seller name in either the topic or first line of the post. This way we can research the seller and find out if they are good to bid with or to stay wall the hell away from.

The fake sign ebay selling ***** wipe we are talking about in this thread is named: starkeysigns123

I will let you guys know how my request for refund ends.
Mike

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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: strnge] #235375
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I also contacted seller and requested a refund. The buyer of the Tydol sign did the same. I contacted a couple other buyers and encouraged them to request refunds also. If we all complain enough together, even if the seller does nothing, I think paypal will.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235377
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I'm a little late to the discussion but I did see a few of these " creations" at Hershey this year. If I would have saw one of these signs at an antique mall all by their self I would not have thought twice about them being fake, but after seeing a few of them together I drew my own conclusion.

Re: Zerolene sign [Re: gmstuff] #235508
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The latest Zerolene sign he has on Ebay is a California Oil Company sign. I have this sign in my collection and mine is vintage. I compared mine to the one now on Ebay and discovered some differences. The main thing is mine says L-50 made in the U.S.A on the lower left conner. The other difference is the lack of sharpness and detail on his sign; It is like some one shot the paint with glass beads or sand mixed with the paint to make it appear old. If enough Ebay users report this seller he will be removed from Ebay; Ebay will act on complaints by the users. If you paid with Pay Pal you should be able to get a full refund being the item was not decribed as new. The found in an old barn would be a term used to decieve the bidder into thinking the item was vintage. If you paid with a M.O. you may be out of luck if the seller refuses to refund your money. This is why Ebay wants all bidders to buy with Pay Pal and of course I know Ebay also owns Pay Pal and charges all the sellers a fee for the required service of Pay Pal.

Re: Zerolene sign [Re: Rich Taylor] #235558
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IF you used a USPS M.O. & item was shipped by USPS, the post office does have a form to fill out to request a refund. Post Office doesn't like Mail Fraud. Also IF you used PayPal thru a Credit Card, your C.C. company will fight for return of your money.

Re: Zerolene sign [Re: Dick Bennett] #235653
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I too was victomized by Starkey 123 twice. Went thru Paypal to Ebay and got 1 purchase totally refunded even past their 45 day window. My last purchase will try to be resolved with Starkey123 and if It fails Ebay will make the call. Told Ebay they will be getting many complaints on this seller! Go get um guys!!! Kent.

Re: Zerolene sign [Re: kentjay56] #235815
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I started the claim process today with paypal and was told I will get a refund shortly. If anybody else bought from this seller, PLEASE file a claim and expose this crook so others will not be burned.


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Re: Zerolene sign [Re: pumpingethyl] #235819
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The following ebay names all bought signs from this seller recently. If anyone knows the ebays users real names and contact info, please let them know they need to file a claim : lodyt , doug062485, badgersport , iowaoil, gaspump3, chevrondude, faxam, keckcorvette, randybourget, bob795, two_97 , crazygraves , zero2746, bent-n-busted, wellingtonnj, tkdoc5car, Udlaw2, maverickeinstein, tksmr2, 1463johnw, easyreachapp, dbs.zagatos, jeffsss396, cudacruiser1969 . I notified 3 other victims and 2 have already been refunded. LETS STOP THIS SELLER!!

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