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#243393 - Sat Mar 26 2011 04:51 PM Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons
thermactor Offline
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Registered: Wed Apr 27 2005
Loc: Decatur, IL
I was surprised (though should I be?) to see this fake 12 1/2 foot, 2-piece Oldsmobile dealership neon sign on eBay. The seller is up-front about what it is.

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It's massive, and the description says:
"The face lettering and field has depth, gloss, feel, and sheen of mint porcelain, though are actually thick, multi-layered coats of hard shell automotive enamels obtaining the near-perfect duplication of porcelain. Exceptional quality and workmanship. We were very lucky to have purchased this sign from the museum quality restoration house which made it."

The sign has the original-type Walker marking at the bottom. It does not appear to be marked as a reproduction. Why would someone put the sign company marking at the bottom if not to deceive?

I inquired, and the "restoration house" that made the sign from scratch is "Martin and Don VanKannell."

Just thought I would pass this along.

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#243405 - Sat Mar 26 2011 05:30 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: thermactor]
publicenemy1925 Offline
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Registered: Sun Apr 06 2008
Loc: OKC, OK
I find it to be very wrong of them to put original markings on it period. It should be clearly marked reproduction.
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#243409 - Sat Mar 26 2011 05:41 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: publicenemy1925]
Tara Worsham Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 10 2007
Loc: Decatur, IL
Obviously it should be marked reproduction, but that's a discussion that's been had many times before. I also think it is VERY wrong of them to put the original markings on it. If they aren't trying to deceive a buyer down the road, why would they have put the Walker marking on it?


Edited by Tara Worsham (Sat Mar 26 2011 05:43 PM)
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#243418 - Sat Mar 26 2011 06:00 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: thermactor]
Neil Gerrard Offline
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Registered: Tue Dec 09 2003
Loc: Canby, Oregon
those are some really awful welds and yes, it should be marked

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#243533 - Sun Mar 27 2011 07:03 AM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Neil Gerrard]
Cold Pizza Offline
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Registered: Tue May 17 2005
Loc: Illinois
Thanks for the heads up.

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#243725 - Sun Mar 27 2011 10:54 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Cold Pizza]
Lost Highway Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Jan 11 2011
Loc: Greenville SC
this seller just came up on like 8 of those high dollar gulf lighthouse signs. i think its odd. they auction those off for whatever they can get em for but that sinclair opaline oil can sign is buy it now for exactly what it sold for at a recent auction? i dont like this "electronic" antique buisness
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#243760 - Mon Mar 28 2011 08:04 AM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Lost Highway]
Bud Miley Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 02 2011
Loc: Greenup, IL
The plus side to this is ..since the welds are very crude, I think most collectors will know its a repop anyway. I know I wouldnt buy anything looking like that.


Edited by Bud Miley (Mon Mar 28 2011 08:11 AM)

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#243776 - Mon Mar 28 2011 09:00 AM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Bud Miley]
Craig Osbeck Offline
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Registered: Tue Jan 06 2009
Loc: Portland Oregon
My first thought that when I saw them on ebay was that this is a great price on this sign until I read further. There will be conflict on not the next buyer, but possibly the ones after that. People have been reproducing big neons for about 15 years now and they are out there already and with non-knowing owners. A friend of mine was the buyer about 12 years ago and looked inside to find out the hard way. Not a happy camper, returned it.
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#243852 - Mon Mar 28 2011 05:26 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Craig Osbeck]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
Isn't the maker of this sign a well known sign restorer who should have known better?
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#243860 - Mon Mar 28 2011 05:54 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: KZ1000]
Tara Worsham Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 10 2007
Loc: Decatur, IL
Yep.

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#243904 - Mon Mar 28 2011 07:44 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Tara Worsham]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
& they did as the customer instructed. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$, not what is right or wrong.

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#243908 - Mon Mar 28 2011 07:55 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Dick Bennett]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
If they printed "Walker Signs" that is wrong whether the customer asked for it or not. EVERYBODY knows that
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#243930 - Mon Mar 28 2011 09:12 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: KZ1000]
thermactor Offline
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Registered: Wed Apr 27 2005
Loc: Decatur, IL
KZ, I agree. It's forgery, just like signing another artist's name on a painting. For decorating purposes, there is no need for it. There's only one conclusion that I can draw as to why it was done.

As for the welds, sure, they look awful. But what if they get someone who can weld better next time?

Next time I buy a nice, expensive porcelain sign, perhaps I should ask the seller "I'm just going to spray this paint stripper on it. If it's legit like you say, then there's nothing to worry about, right?? Riiiight?"

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#243933 - Mon Mar 28 2011 09:24 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: thermactor]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
Originally Posted By: thermactor

Next time I buy a nice, expensive porcelain sign, perhaps I should ask the seller "I'm just going to spray this paint stripper on it. If it's legit like you say, then there's nothing to worry about, right?? Riiiight?"



That's a Great idea, We can all walk around with little spray bottles of stripper, spray all the suspect signs and stand back and watch them "melt"
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#244078 - Tue Mar 29 2011 02:27 PM Re: Now they're making fake large Dealership Neons [Re: Tara Worsham]
oldnfuelish Offline
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Registered: Wed Nov 02 2005
Loc: Antioch,IL
another?different seller,but sure looks close http://cgi.ebay.com/Vertical-Chevrolet-N...=item19c3d7a008
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