Primarily Petroliana Shop Talk Forums Shop Talk Petroliana Forums General Petroliana Discussion What have I gotten myself into?

just wanted to add my 2cents seth has helped me directly an indirectly he has alot of petro knowledge, where can you get that kind of help with out a bill in the mail? thanks seth for all of your input on this site. cggas

The participation of a vendor on an Internet forum is always a balancing act. Some users resent vendor posts that offer items for sale. Most users of this forum appreciate hearing from an experienced person even if he might be a parts vendor. Vendors are a necessary component of a community that needs parts to restore vintage gas pumps.

It has been a long standing policy of Oldgas.com Shop Talk that we encourage vendors to share their expert comments and allow them to plug their store and offer items for sale as long as it is in direct response to a question. The experience of petro vendors is something I would like to see shared more, not less. Vendors may also post "for sale" topics in the appropriate forum just like anyone else.

I wish all vendors had the time and attitude to answer questions on Shop Talk. Most petro parts vendor businesses are a "mom and pop" operation with precious little time for anything other than business.

Seth Robbins and Jack Sim have consistantly offered information and advice over the years on Shop Talk. But they occasionally receive negative comments, possibly because they are trying to sell something.

If anyone has an unresolved dispute with a parts vendor or has concerns about their messages on Shop Talk, please contact me or one of the other moderators. We can often resolve issues in a non-public way, keeping a more positive face on the public activity on Shop Talk.

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Jim "Oldgas" Potts
Your host and moderator

I must say, in response to the original question, what you appear to have gotten into is a hornets' nest! I'm having a little trouble believing where this thread went. Don't judge the site by this tangent, it's still full of great people. I guess like any family, we have our spats. After this though, I'm sure what you'll discover is that you've gotten into something that you just can't stop yourself over! Where's that next pump,that undiscovered treasure, what shall I do this pump in? Most of all, welcome to the sight and have fun!

WELL... lets look at the big picture here.. last time i looked i was still living in America where i can still voice my opinion.. sure.. i can be as controversal as the next guy.. i try to play within the guidelines of this site altho sometimes... as some of you... find it hard. i don't mean my posts to always be a damn debate but.. well... sometimes it just goes that way. GOOD.. maybe it just goes to show that i am into this hobby.... o.k.. blah, blah, blah... true... have fun with this junk. meet the people... have fun... form your own opinions... when the fun goes out.... collect stamps... no disrespect to the stamp collectors... lol...

kmann

Thanks for the reply, Dave. Now back to Chuck, if we haven't scared him off yet...

Welcome to Oldgas.com Shop Talk.

If you remove the paint with sanding or sandblasting, you should be concerned about lead in the dust. Lead was commonly used on old paint. Use the recommended respirator for yourself. Consider where the dust may settle if it may go where a child could touch the dust and ingest it. Chemical stripping adds another hazardous concern. I recommend all these operations should be performed away from your residence. Even an attached garage could allow some hazardous stuff to get into the living areas.

You are on the right Web site to get questions answered, even if there may be a little extra friction between some people from time to time. We would like to see your pumps. Send me a picture attached to email and I'll help you post it here. shoptalk@oldgas.com

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Jim "Oldgas" Potts
Your host and moderator

Chuck, Welcome to the best gas/oil site on the web! You'll find that collecting this stuff is, first of all, habit forming, but, for me, is a fun hobby and a stress reliever. I know you'll find this site fun, and foremost, a valuable source of knowlege and advice. Many of the members have had a lot of experience fixing or getting around a problem that might seems impossible to solve at the time. Don't be afraid to ask. The only stupid question is the one you didn't ask. I might add that this bunch of guys/gals are the most compassionate group with the biggest hearts that you'll find anywhere just short of a family reunion. They are very willing to lend a hand or offer kind words to anyone with a real need.
I always test out the electric motors (which you won't need in your restored pump) that I remove from the pump with a pig tail wired to them and plug into a power strip before discarding/recycling. I hate to throw anything away that I might need someday. These make good buffing/polishing tools for the trim etc.
Don't forget to take lots of pics during the disassembly to help later as you try too put the pump back together. We all really enjoy before and after pics. It's always an inspiration and gives the rest of us ideas for our next restoration.
Good Luck and have fun with your pumps.
Rod

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I'm not a pump restorer but I can appreciate the workmanship that goes into a restoration. You guys that restore pumps are lucky to have so many vendors. I hear posative things about most of them too. Our online community is lucky to have knowledgable people sharing information.
I participate on a racing web site and their seems to be a lot of bickering there too. Its just mid-winter blues. So how about everyone step back and take a deep breath and relax. Try to be tactful when you post and when someone isn't try to have thick enough skin that it doesn't get to you.

Kinda surprised no one has mentioned the ELECTROLYSIS to remove the paint..Cost is next to nothing and you can re-use it over & over again..

Is there any problem like chemical strippers... NO. NO.

I have a very good blasting cabinet which will take any & all skin sizes..I WILL NEVER USE THE CABINET AGAIN TO REMOVE PAINT.
THERE IS NOTHING AS GOOD AS ELECTROLYSIS FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK..

How many here have tried it, and what were the results ??????

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Regards ....
Jerry J .....

I thought electrolysis only worked on rust. Not to remove paint?

Check this....
http://www.oldgas.com/shoptalk/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000848.html

Its a good topic...

Hey Chuck, 3 Gilbarco pumps (model 966??) - that ROCKS. I never care how bad a pump is - it can ALWAYS be turned around. DO not toss away any parts that WORK if you plan on buying more pumps from farmers. I always keep the guts for the pumps that I know work - if I am not sure I will toss it. Farmers will always buy a working pump or trade you out for there own pump you want for even. I have built bases for the working internals and fired them up to prove they work - GREAT to trade old parts you would toss for a non-working wayne 60.

AS FOR SETH - you still rock.... I knew you had a wife, but never knew you had a better half! lol

ANYWAY - I would buy from whoever you want Chuck. I buy from them all. I like Seths http://www.vicsplace.com/ because my parts come to me in about 2 days, nicely packed and always have had the order correct. ALL of the other venders have sent me things broken or not the correct part. IN MY OPINION vicsplace.com has the best online order system.

In the last 10 years webers has gone kinda down hill. I was very impressed with webers shop when I first went there in 1996 - but when I went back in 2004 I was not greated well, they were kinda grumpy, and the shop was not clean or orgenized. They were too busy with there internet orders to even bother looking at me, and I had 3 grand in my pocket. I drove on back to Kansas and saw Vic's bilboard on I-35. I pulled into Vic's place and it was VERY CLEAN - nicely orgenized, the people were FAST to great me, and help me find what I was looking for. I left there with all of the parts and info I needed on the FRY I just bought - and spent about 400 bucks on that order. Since then I have spent about 1600.00 on things from his shop and bought about 75.00 worth of things from webers - where I used to buy all my things.

Seth the owner has always gone WAY out of his way for me, even though I like to kick him on the board from time to time.... It's FUN... Gota keep the fire burning on the bridge with just enough water to keep it from burning down, and just enough fire to keep it nice and warm.


Later,

Travis E. Towle
Topeka, Kansas

785.357.1004

Hey Travis...you still coming to the sale? We are again going to do our 'garage sale' midnight madness at the shop. Cash & carry discount on parts for 2 hours only + we bring out all kinds of "**** " that was damaged in shipment or discontinued and throw it in the middle of the floor. Lots of $5, $10, $15 items....plus free grub!

How many Mae Wests are you bringing me? As much stuff as you've ordered over the years, it's a miracle we've not fouled up in some way....I do STILL have humans packing the orders!!

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I have used electrolysis on three pumps and am sold on this method. All that I can say is that it worked GR8 for me and plan to use it again once the weather warms so I can keep my water in the 65 degree or higher range. It turned, what I'm sure was leaded paint, to scum that rinsed off with the garden hose after only soaking a few hours. I was amazed at its efficiency and lack of work on my part. It also removed what I thought was light surface rust.
I might have liked my sandblaster better if I would have bought a bigger compressor. I spend a lot of time waiting for mine to pressure up and sweeping up the sand to run it through a screen to clean it before reusing. I think it took me 6 hours to do my A-38.
Rod

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[This message has been edited by danceswithpumps (edited 01-26-2006).]

"damaged in shipment or discontinued"

OH DOGGIE BISKETS!!! THAT IS MY KIND OF STUFF! !!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!

And, yes the plan is still on for coming down and I am trying to get you a west this week...

TODAY I was working deals out with some farmers on 2 Fry Wests, and 2 G&B T-177's, and 1 more FRY 73, 2 Wayne 60s', 5 tall tok t-39's, and 1 G&B T-176. Lots of my wifes hard earned money being tossed around in faces this week... Oh and I forgot about this really coooooooooooool Hayes big Visy that is still being used.

I am glad this topic came back up about the electrolllllllllsyssyysys how ever that is spelled? I was just thinking about that again today while I was driving. I think I am going to give that a try. Need to save some $$$ on the sand blasting = that is getting kinda hefty this time of year.


Travis E. Towle
Topeka, Kansas

785.357.1004

Maybe we can get a monitor to bring up an old post by PollyMan from 11-18-04 on electrolysis. I just found it on a google search, it is an unbelievable post on electrolysis. I'm going to try it, the cost of starting is less than having one pump sandblasted.

Brian