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#30272 Sun Jun 10 2007 09:31 PM
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That explains why my GUT overhangs my belt, it's out of alignment ! LOL

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#30273 Mon Jun 11 2007 08:16 AM
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Hey db,
Is that why or is it all the beer you've been pounding...lol

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Very interesting topic.

If anyone is familiar with the cost of porcelain enameling you would appreciate how difficult it would be to market this kind of sign. There is a reason why porcelain signs are no longer common: they are VERY expensive to manufacturer. If someone wanted to reproduce a sign authentic to an original, it can be done, but it would be costly.

Is it possible that these signs are new old stock?

It is very common to hear about car parts that are found in their original boxes. They sat around for 30+ years in warehouse somewhere before someone finally discovers them, so why isn't it possible that these signs were found in the same manner?

There is a gentleman here in Portland who found hundreds of original, unused billboards in sealed shipping boxes in a potato cellar in Eastern Oregon. They had sat their for 50 years before anyone found them. An ad agency printed them up, set them aside and after they had become outdated someone forgot about them only to be discovered many years later. Its not out of the realm of possiblities that these signs represent the same set of similar circumstances.


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i have a difference of opionion (chadhaas)..

Marketing is a piece of cake for people getting these signs made, find a few unscroupulous antique dealers & have them do the selling....its the same dealers show after show who are selling this garbage

The cost of making these signs are very little even here in the U.S., let alone some 3rd world country.......

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If it costs so much to make repro or fantasy signs how can guys like Seth make them, pay licensing fees, turn a profit, and still sell them so inexpensively?

I know some guys that have had several repop signs made. They pay a set up fee and so much per sign with a minimum number of signs. Its pretty cheap to do and they are quality pieces, not crudely done like the oval Gargoyles.


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#30277 Mon Jun 11 2007 03:03 PM
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Would somebody mind updating the reproductions topic thread with the infomration here?

Just a thought.


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#30278 Mon Jun 11 2007 06:35 PM
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Are you refering to "painted enamel" signs?

Original signs are made of porcelain or vitreous enamel. To make a porcelain sign artwork is applied using mesh screens in which finely ground paticles of colored glass are hand applied. After the colors are applied the sign is fired in a kiln at temperatures exceeding 800-1000 degrees. On a multi-colored sign each color has to be fired seperately. The process is very labor intensive and time consuming.

The signs you are describing have spray painted graphics.


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yes porcelain sign making can be labor intensive however some of us work cheap & if your from Malaysia,India, China, Mexico you work for almost nothing...do you understand this? do you know that there is another way other than screening on the glass? its called stenciling...........of course the first one is expensive to set up, but like everything else the more you order the cheaper it is..........do you actually think these are real ?? I would love to guide you to Todd at the sign museum in Cincinnatti who i talked with today & he will be set up at my booth in Columbus......If you still don't believe it i will guide you to another person i know in Wisconsin who owns a neon shop & a large kiln, he custom makes porcelain signs very reasonable & then if you are still skeptical i suggest you go find a lab with a spectrometer & the ability to analyze vitreous porcelain enamel.....

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You need not be so defensive. I'm not disagreeing with you.

I was simply stating that the signs that were being described were of painted enamels, not porcelain.

Porcelain enameling is a coslier process compared to spray painted enamels, irregardless of the country of origin.

If you have a source that can reproduce high quality, low cost porcelain enamel signs than by all means, please share your information with everyone.



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i'm not defensive, its called being realistic....I am not in the business of promoting more of this garbage to hit the market, you may have to go to India, Malaysia, China, Mexico if you want some repos made....

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Glen Zirkle bought the fake gasco sign. Does anyone have his number? I bet the sign is for sale in his auction!


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