#33539
Sun Dec 17 2006 10:32 PM
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I just a acquired a Erie 743 that is complete with all the original DX ad glass and everything. I want to open it up to gut it. I don't have the key and there's no number on the lock.
Did they make a "master key" for these pumps?
And if so does anyone have a copy I could buy?
I really hate to drill the lock, but I will if necessary. I'm not loading this thing up again to take it to a locksmith!
PS I need a key for my Wayne 605 double to if someone has one that will work.
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#33540
Sun Dec 17 2006 10:36 PM
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can you tip it and reach up thru the base? If so you may be able to disassemble the latch. Then you could take just the lock to a locksmith.
Otherwise, I bet the lock would be pretty easy to pick...
Wes
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#33541
Mon Dec 18 2006 07:59 AM
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Philip:
Locks are only $5 - $6.00 at Lowe's or any hardware. No one will know if it has been replaced.
IMHO - Save yourself a bunch of time and hassle and drill it out.
Later . . .
Jim
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#33542
Mon Dec 18 2006 10:15 AM
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WHAT *T-WAY* SAID! ~DOC
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#33543
Mon Dec 18 2006 06:57 PM
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Thanks for the replies! I'll probably just drill it out and buy another lock.
But I am still curious did they make a "Master Keys" for some gas pumps?
Thanks again guys for your responses.
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#33544
Mon Dec 18 2006 07:01 PM
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YES, Tokheim used the same key for YEARS. A TPX key
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#33545
Tue Dec 19 2006 01:44 AM
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I think they made masters for service work..
I have some somewhere.. about 3 different brands with the company name on a tag.
Now they could be individual keys for pumps, but I got them with about a few hundred porcelain gas and oil tags and brass tags for lubesters etc..
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#33546
Tue Dec 19 2006 04:23 AM
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I wondered and posted a similar question awhile back when trying to get in a Wayne 70. (still have not) Went through a batch of old Wayne service keys but could not get it open, now have access to more and will try again...not that that's whats holding up work on it.
For Tokheim, to this day we have/sell/use TPX keys and locks. I'd rather have the original open then drill the lock and have it be one of the few things on a pump not original. They were not so much master as just all the same. The next vintage Tok pump doors on MPD & electronic models were all TPX83.
Regarding the Erie 743, on the one I have the lock mech. is not engaged but the lock is in the locked position, the doors just lifted straight up and off with MUCH EFFORT until I adjusted them. Make sure they are not just painted on and stuck. Don't have a key for it.
Later, TOK
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#33547
Tue Dec 19 2006 01:17 PM
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find a pump service they may be able to cut a key from an old one... . Anniston Pump Shop in Anniston Al. has been around a long time they may be able to help.Some times you can pick those locks with a serrated steak knife, that is pointed and a lot of wiggling......the knife that is.... Joe
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#33548
Tue Dec 19 2006 05:48 PM
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Thanks again guys for the responses! You guys are great.
Tokheim: I would like to buy one of the Tokheim master keys from you if they're fairly cheap. I have bought a Tok 39 short pump. (I don't have it home yet though) It will be my first Tokheim pump. I'm pretty sure it doesn't have the key lock style doors. I believe it does have a small access door you could lock with a padlock though. It I believe is the early version of short 39 with the cast window frames. But I'm sure eventually I'll run onto to a pump and need that master key. What do you know about the wayne pumps my 605 duo is locked on one side. I would like to open it up to gut it. It's very very heavy!!!
Thanks!!!
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#33549
Tue Dec 19 2006 07:04 PM
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Philip, send me an email w/your address and Santa will bring you one if you've been good.
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#33550
Tue Dec 19 2006 07:30 PM
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Tokheim: I tried to send you an email and pics of my TOK 39, but it came back undeliverable. I use yahoo as my email now. I try using my old email provider go.com it may send it to your spam or junk mailbox. I can't send the pics though, sorry.
Philip
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#33551
Sat Dec 23 2006 10:35 PM
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Dodogas what brands are your three keys for?
Do you have any pumps to try your keys on?
If they work as "master keys" I would be interested in buying a copy of them.
(except if one is a Tokhiem TPX key) Oldgas member Tokhiem was very kind and is sending me that one in the mail.
Thanks very much!!
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#33552
Sun Dec 24 2006 05:35 AM
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My father-in-law is a locksmith. He says most locksmiths should be able to come to your location, same as if you were locked out of your house or car. He said they would try to make an "impression", by putting in a key blank, and turning it slightly to mark the pins, then try to cut a key from that. If that failed.....they would drill it like T-Way said.
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#33553
Sun Dec 24 2006 08:04 AM
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Oldgto: Yeah that's a good idea, but I live out in the country. A locksmith would probably charge 20-50 dollars just to drive out here. If I could acquire most of the common manufacturers master keys like Wayne, Gilbarco, Tokhiem, etc. Then when I run onto a locked pump I'll have a key for it. That's my plan in theory.
By the way I find your username Oldgto very interesting. I have a 67 GTO that's a numbers matching 78,XXX miles, HO, AC, PS, PB, car. I bought it off the original owner last October. It spent most of it's life in sunny Arizona. It's the second GTO I've had. I won't ever sell this one if I can help it.
Do you have a GTO?
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