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#34041 - Thu Jul 21 2005 05:03 PM Tok36b
speedway Offline
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Registered: Sat Feb 08 2003
What is the price range to buy a good restorable Tokheim 36b..with the top..computer face? I don't get to many shows so a few opinions would be helpful. Thanks, Speedway

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#34042 - Thu Jul 21 2005 08:53 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
$575

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#34043 - Thu Jul 21 2005 11:07 PM Re: Tok36b
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
You must be dreaming ! Tops are almost bringing that.
Better start digging up about $800-$1200, unless you find one on a farm.
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#34044 - Thu Jul 21 2005 11:50 PM Re: Tok36b
besgar Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 20 2004
Loc: BEULAH CO
I have 2 for sale one with top $1200 one without $800
Brandon

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#34045 - Fri Jul 22 2005 12:49 AM Re: Tok36b
sslick68 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Jan 24 2005
Loc: Rolla Mo
Where do you guys get your pricing from???If you have any in the 600 dollar range I will take everyone!Dick is right on with his pricing for these.

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#34046 - Fri Jul 22 2005 08:58 AM Re: Tok36b
the poor mans museum Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 25 2004
Loc: Santa Ynez, CA, USA
You can try Dick's five finger discount and save a bundle on one.



Saw a so-so one at the Santa Rosa gas bash for around $1,000.00
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#34047 - Fri Jul 22 2005 09:52 AM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
It's not that rare a pump........ And I guess we could all pay triple the amount of what the thing is worth . He asked what a "restorable" pump might bring. Not a perfect sheet metal, all complete, original paint still on it, no rust pump....... a restorable one. Y'all wouldn't pay any $1200 for a "restorable" T-36B rough out of the field that needed a little work....... Let's get real........

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#34048 - Fri Jul 22 2005 09:59 AM Re: Tok36b
aquaelvis Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 29 2003
Loc: Bakersfield, CA
Prices go all over. I have seen nice ones (needing resto) sell for $1500+. I have owned a couple, paid as little as $350 for one with no top and $800 for a complete one.
Who knows? The price is what you can get it for at the time! I paid $700 for my wayne 60, I see people get better deals on those all the time. I was offered $1800 for it. Whats it worth? Who knows?
Just like A-38's, I passed on them for $400, seen people buy them for $1200+. I passed on an A1 for under a grand, one of the other oldgas guys bought it a month later. I didn't have the room to move any more pumps to Seattle. (and I think they are ugly pumps)
Some people value things like original doors and stuff, others don't care if they have to buy repop skins.
My point, if you are looking for a pump you like and find a nice one... get it. By the time it is finished and in your game room who cares if you paid $600 or $1000 for it.

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#34049 - Fri Jul 22 2005 10:18 AM Re: Tok36b
besgar Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Feb 20 2004
Loc: BEULAH CO
Maybee in NC they sell for that but you cant touch one that needs restored out here for $1000 and they will bring that allday so as to youre coment "get real" I am and have sold them in the $1200 dollar range. Those $100 dollar bills are real enough for me!
Brandon

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#34050 - Fri Jul 22 2005 10:47 AM Re: Tok36b
racemad55 Offline
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Registered: Tue May 11 2004
Loc: Lake Luzerne Ny
This "hobby" is getting way out of control,just like my 55'-57' chevys & old corvettes,almost to the point of being no fun. Everybody wants to make big bucks on everything! The almighty dollar rules! They call this progress I guess. Back to the question,mine were $50,$75,and $200 just because thats what I offered for the last one. Maybe we should wait it out like the Model"A" kraze in the 60's when they were like gold,I'M glad I didn't hoard all the rusty roadster bodies I could find and sit on them!

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#34051 - Fri Jul 22 2005 10:58 AM Re: Tok36b
dodogas Offline
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Registered: Sat Jan 25 2003
Loc: Kelowna British Columbia Canad...
If you live in an area where there are still many wild pumps, prices will be lower..but that is not the norm.

Buy them, sell them if you must but dont count on always finding more..for those prices.

The big difference I see between petro and Model A's is that kids that could not have seen these pumps as a baby still want them and are willing to pay for them.

In the end an original will always be worth mare than a reproduction..my 2cents..

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#34052 - Fri Jul 22 2005 03:07 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
I hear ya racemad55, you hit the nail on the head !!! I agree with you...... These are just old metal gas pumps, not status symbols. Hell, let's just inflate EVERYTHING and nobody can afford to buy anything. I know good is good, and rare is rare, but there is a reality to what is rare and what is "good enough" to bring crazy money. A Tok 36B is not any $1200 in half-*** condition - sure you may have seen one at a show for $1000, but it just sat there unless it was really clean and all together. It just sat and nobody bought it and it got packed up and taken back to where ever it came from...... People are funny, (humans are the biggest freak of nature that has ever happened in the history of time), if they have one of something or they have something that they are trying to sell, then it's worth an arm and a leg. But, if they are looking to buy it they want it as cheap as they can get it !!!! That's just how it is. Then of course there are the wealthy "money slingers" that want these old pumps and signs just as status symbols and something to do because there so bored with the everyday life that they have that they are willing to pay triple, quadruple, 5 times the amount that the item is really worth. "Look at me , Look at me !!!" The last Columbus auction is proof of that....... I smell a fish (Trading Paper). Give me a frickin' break !!!!! Then the "big shots" get bored with the collecting after spending about a half a million, a million or so and sell all there stuff at some "BIG" auction somewhere to some more dumbasses - and it's just becomes a repetative cycle of more dumbasses. It boils down to the "hobbie" has become a business that plays on people's emotions and desires. It grew to big to fast and it got exploited. Back to that human nature freak thing again....... It's crazy, but it is somewhat predictable...... That pump unless it is clean and nice, and all there, rust-out free, not pitted, is only worth $550-$650. Plain and simple. The pump kinda sucks anyway......... I'm bored, I think I'll go burn some money.

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#34053 - Fri Jul 22 2005 04:47 PM Re: Tok36b
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Registered: Tue May 11 2004
Loc: Lake Luzerne Ny
NC ROYALITY, just got back from N.C. yesterday ,CHEVROLET NOMAD CONVENTION at CHARLOTTE,drove through your town on way home,dam,wish we could have hooked up! HAD personal tour of Penske racings new shop by body shop foreman I met at show the night before,everybody there treated us like gold.I had enough on me to buy a 36b for that price but didn't see any!

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#34054 - Fri Jul 22 2005 05:56 PM Re: Tok36b
DCpate Offline
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Registered: Wed Nov 08 2000
Loc: Norman, OK
NC Royalty, I find your views somewhat ironic seeing how you have a pump on ebay you're asking $5K+ for...
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#34055 - Fri Jul 22 2005 06:56 PM Re: Tok36b
Tom Stover Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 07 2001
Loc: Left Coast
A good friend of mine (who is a long time antique dealer) offered me this advice many years ago & it has served me well. "If the condition is there, if you can afford it & the price doesn't OFFEND you...buy it!! You'll win 90% of the time". Just be careful if you've had too many bullets, right Hubba??? If you don't want to pay the price, don't. Here on the left coast 36b's bring $1,000 give or take. Maybe back east they don't bring that much, I don't know. As far as rare, I'm not sure too many pumps are "rare". Jack Sim & Prof. Bennett could answer that one better than I can. The last 36b top that I saw for sale was $400 & it sold VERY quickly. As far as a hobby vs. business, I buy some things w/resale in mind, others are "keepers". Nothing wrong with making $$ on things you buy. I believe that this train of thought is what drives the economy. JMO

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#34056 - Sat Jul 23 2005 06:15 AM Re: Tok36b
1PetroFan Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Jul 18 2004
Loc: Bunker Hill, WV,USA
A friend of mine has one in pretty good shape for $900 just south of Richmond. I thought that was a fair price for what I have seen in my neck of the woods. Brady

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#34057 - Sat Jul 23 2005 10:54 AM Re: Tok36b
hotcidr Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 27 2001
Loc: Carpinteria, Ca. USA
There's a good top for sale on ebay right now. Decent price so far. Go get it
Ray

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#34058 - Sat Jul 23 2005 12:39 PM Re: Tok36b
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Registered: Sat Jan 25 2003
Loc: Kelowna British Columbia Canad...
So NC ROYALTY,
Do you like collecting pumps or hate it, by what you write I can't tell??

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#34059 - Sat Jul 23 2005 02:48 PM Re: Tok36b
midway oil Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu May 23 2002
Loc: Illinois
You never know on price...I was at a farm sale near Peoria, Illinois last month and watched a really pretty nice Tok 36B, VERY minimal rust, all there, good to restore sell at auction for 700 bucks and the auctioneer had to really pump the crowd to get THAT. It had stalled at 625 and was about done. I didn't bid because it wasn't a pump that I really wanted to buy. I am not a dealer, just a collector-admirer...a 'keeper' kind of person.

Hang in there. Be patient. A good pump will come around in a price range you are happy with....

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#34060 - Sat Jul 23 2005 04:01 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
Hey, been up here at my parents helping tend the farm, Hertford NC, my mother broke her neck falling off of a horse about three weeks ago....... she's ok, but in a full upper body brace. Diddy's had his hands full. Dodogas and Mr. DC Pate, yes, I love collecting and my views are not skewed, they are realistic. The guy asking the value is in question about the "true" value of an item. And I gave him a real, honest answer. Not a "hopeful" or "let's take the guy" answer. And, as far as my pump on eBay, that is an interesting pump, much older, Visible Measure, cast, original parts and panels, no filler, no new doors, no new top, all old and original, all there, and what little that has been done to that pump, can be very easily undone. It's a much better pump. Period. And the "buy it now" price is a little(a little tiny bit) high. BUT, here again, it is all there and it is a much more significant pump than a Tok 36b. Am I wrong about that too? I shouldn't have compared it to a Tok 36b, because there is no comparison...... I guess all the "BIG BOYS" that go to ALL the BIG shows, and have ALL the money, and are "HIGH PROFILE MONEY SLINGERS" and put ALL the books out, they are the only ones that have any say or opinion (or knowledge for that matter) that is correct in this great, fun, friendly, so called "hobby". Hollywood, dreams and movies, fantasy frolic in the neighbors back yard; all the things that are fun, if your on the "inside"....... the "inside" is fantasy. This stuff is supposed to be fun. Step back and look at reality. Not just about gas pumps but about everything, and maybe things will make a little better sense. OK, speedway, just go ahead and prepair yourself to spend $1200 or $1500 on a half-*** 36b , I'm sorry, I was wrong. And then buy the parts you need to finish it, and then restore it or have it restored. And I'll guess you'll have about $3300 in the pump all said and done. Then you can go make yourself boubon and Coke and sit down and look at the pump and say, "Wow, cool, I'm a member of the Dumbasses Collectors Club" !!! Take it for what it's worth. Speaking of boubon and Coke.........

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#34061 - Sat Jul 23 2005 06:33 PM Re: Tok36b
dodogas Offline
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Registered: Sat Jan 25 2003
Loc: Kelowna British Columbia Canad...
There are many ways to look at it.

From a dealers point of view it is worth about 20.00...scrap dealer that is..

For someone that uses it on a farm it is woth more if it works, to me I could care less if it works.

If they are out there where you live prices should be better, out here they are all imported from down south and hard to find.

If a farmer bought one 20 years back for 150.00 used it and now gets 400..everyone is happy.

In general though there is found price and going rate and I believe the op asked what range they go for..

Also if you are selling one, ask yourself..can I replace it??

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#34062 - Sat Jul 23 2005 07:00 PM Re: Tok36b
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Registered: Sun Nov 04 2001
Loc: decatur Il
I really don't know what to think of this guy. I don't think you could ever please a person like this. All opinion and all attitude.My 36b was $800 my wayne 60 was $800 and both my visibles were $600. Im not rich but i save for what i want. No piont in blaming rich people, They had to work for thier money too.Time has made things expensive, Live with it, whining doesn't change a thing Mike

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#34063 - Sat Jul 23 2005 08:09 PM Re: Tok36b
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Registered: Sat Apr 05 2003
Loc: Big Sky Country
All i can say is if your Fry is going to sell NC you better hope it gets a few bids from ,quote, HIGH PROFILE MONEY SLINGERS or it won't leave the yard. mm
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#34064 - Sat Jul 23 2005 08:23 PM Re: Tok36b
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
People that write books DON'T make enough to pay for their time. They would make more money working for McD's or WALMART @ minimum wages.

I'm GLAD that THEY could afford to take the time it requires to get it in PRINT, FOR ALL TO ENJOY !!

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ROOM IN THIS OBSESSION FOR THE GUY WORKING FOR MIN.WAGES ON UP TO BILL GATES !

Buy what you like & can afford.
Buy the books & DREAM of finding the highest priced ITEMS.
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#34065 - Sat Jul 23 2005 09:00 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
Since I do pumps & parts for a living everyday....I feel like I have a darn good feel for the real prices on pumps both restored & unrestored. I buy any complete (by that I mean all sheetmetal & castings, not trim/faces/glass) 36B that comes my way for anything under $1000. My bottom dollar on an unrestored one in like condition is $1500. That last restored one I sold in Pollygas was $4500. These aren't just mythical auction prices or pie-in-the-sky BS, I sell several of these annually. REMEMBER, there is plenty of room for the hobbyist, purist, collector, collector/dealer, historians, & the business people. It takes ALL kinds.....
Seth/Vic's '66'

[This message has been edited by Seth Robbins (edited 07-23-2005).]

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#34066 - Sat Jul 23 2005 09:17 PM Re: Tok36b
Tom Stover Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 07 2001
Loc: Left Coast
Well put Seth. NC, does your pump come with a hose & nozzle?

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#34067 - Sat Jul 23 2005 09:35 PM Re: Tok36b
speedway Offline
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Registered: Sat Feb 08 2003
Thanks for all the replies guys..I think I now know 2 things..a fair price for the pump..and how to join the dumbass collectors club...Thanks, Speedway.

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#34068 - Sat Jul 23 2005 09:40 PM Re: Tok36b
speedway Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sat Feb 08 2003
Thanks for all the replies guys...Speedway.

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#34069 - Sat Jul 23 2005 10:15 PM Re: Tok36b
sslick68 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Jan 24 2005
Loc: Rolla Mo
I have never seen a fry worth that much,must be real nice or you just think so?I have sold 2 complete ones in the last year for 1500 each.I have 2 tokheim 36 for sale also,one for 800 decent with top and one for 1500 that is very nice and original.Welcome to the world NC,no one likes the gas prices the way they are but it looks like to me I still see cars on the road!If you cant afford one then dont buy one,or even try to say you dont want one!They are beautifil pumps and are harder to find.I seen one sell on ebay a year ago for around 3500 in gulf theme so are they worth it???If you want one!Get in or get out of the game,dont try to make it look bad for the crew here.As I said here before,we are all dealers in one way or another and we all like top dollar out of all our stuff,the question is how long will it last,hopefully a long time.Steve

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#34070 - Sat Jul 23 2005 10:32 PM Re: Tok36b
LarryIvy Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Feb 09 2001
Loc: gilbert, az 85298
If any of you guys on the PACNW are tired of looking at your ugly old National A-1 I will take it off your hands for $$$ or trade you a 36B with a top and original sheetmetal. Rusty, battered, and incomplete orphans cheerfully adopted into a kind and caring home with others equally repulsive, Mine !
Larry
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#34071 - Sat Jul 23 2005 10:34 PM Re: Tok36b
Mr.Wadhams Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu Feb 08 2001
Loc: Wisconsin
Dealer price and "Joe Smoe" price are usually two different levels in most selling scenerios. If you are making a living at this you can hold out for the "top dollar" guy as you have numerous contacts and regular customers(most likely some with great wealth)in which you can rely on to get these prices.The pump or sign can sit for a long period and rest assured someone will snap it up eventually. You have a large inventory to keep you going.
Is there no wholesale or retail in Petroliana? Just a top buck price to hold out for? You guys seem to always quote the high end for someone trying to fish for a value. Why not be a little realistic and tell them what you would ACTUALLY offer!
Jim
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#34072 - Sat Jul 23 2005 10:48 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
Jim...in my opinion, there is no wholesale in ORIGINAL ITEMS. Everytime you sell a Tokheim 36B or a desireable sign/globe/oil can, there is an outside chance you just sold your last one. There is no guarantee you'll get another one. There is also a definite difference between one who is selling casually & one who is selling seriously. As I stated earlier....I like to give around a grand for 36B's & sell them for around $1500. (by the way, these aren't going to millionaires, just guys who want a good, clean pump who don't want to go junkin' to find one). Sounds like a sweet deal, 50% mark-up, huh? But there's a little dirty word, we like to ignore: overhead!! A vehicle, fuel ($2.17/gal here), insurance (vehicle, worker's comp, product liability), taxes, etc, etc, etc,...more like a 25% mark-up! Okay, econ 101 is over, and I understand where people get upset at prices being quoted high, but most guys are just being realistic. We can all say one time we saw one for $50 and one time I saw one for $5000, but the reality is the average person can expect to pay what is being asked at the latest gas shows. Most people aren't going to be knowledgeable enough or just plain lucky enough to find a 36B for $250 behind a barn!

[This message has been edited by Seth Robbins (edited 07-23-2005).]

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#34073 - Sat Jul 23 2005 11:56 PM Re: Tok36b
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Seth,
How many do you want WITHOUT TOPS ?
LOL
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#34074 - Sun Jul 24 2005 12:02 AM Re: Tok36b
Tom Stover Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 07 2001
Loc: Left Coast
Dick, did you say topless 36b's!?!? I'll take two!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#34075 - Sun Jul 24 2005 12:47 AM Re: Tok36b
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Tom,
It takes 2 hands to hold 1 36B, can only guess where the other is !!
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#34076 - Sun Jul 24 2005 06:13 AM Re: Tok36b
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Loc: Chillicothe, Ohio USA
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#34077 - Sun Jul 24 2005 08:10 AM Re: Tok36b
drdent5060 Offline
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Registered: Sun Nov 04 2001
Loc: decatur Il
looks to me like mr royalty is asking a kings randsom for his wonderful pump. and has the nerve to whine to anyone who will listen about the price of thier pumps . I guess he is the only one that deserves top dollar for a pump. he's one of the people that he whines about. his pump is overpriced and he is part of the price problem himself. Hey MR ROYALTY welcome to the dumbass collecter club, you should be king. Whiner's suck Mike

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#34078 - Sun Jul 24 2005 08:45 AM Re: Tok36b
SODAMAMAK Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu May 19 2005
Loc: at the country store..
hose and nozzle, extra. holy bat-s#@* batman, what do to guys expect for 5-G's, free delivery too.....
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#34079 - Sun Jul 24 2005 12:06 PM Re: Tok36b
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Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Mar 20 2002
Loc: Hamilton Mt, USA
You know, i was getting a little agravated reading NC's comments and reading all of these post but by now i am actually laughing out loud! Im glad that the majority of you think like i do. Spend 4 or 5 days driving around the country figure all your expenses not including time and pay the farmer $200 for his 36B. You would be in the hole to sell it for under a grand!!! Im sure that if i found a fry, sand blast it and put on a couple hundred $ worth of red paint i could probably make a fair profit! But only if i sold it for about 2 grand.......i might even throw in a hose and nozzel!

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#34080 - Sun Jul 24 2005 04:31 PM Re: Tok36b
sslick68 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Jan 24 2005
Loc: Rolla Mo
You would think for that price you would at least get a original capco texaco globe with it!!!!!probably another 1000.I have seen churchlands name many times on ebay,he buys nice stuff but when he sells something you better know your banker real good because your gonna pay for it.How can you make comments about other peoples prices when yours are the highest?????Your no different than anyone else on here buy low sell high and put food on the table,right?????Steve

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#34081 - Sun Jul 24 2005 04:33 PM Re: Tok36b
sslick68 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Jan 24 2005
Loc: Rolla Mo
I forgot to mention,I didnt see the ORIGINAL fry sign attached which would be original on this!

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#34082 - Sun Jul 24 2005 04:58 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
Somebody has to stir up some mess on here !!! Reading some of y'alls posts are like watching grass grow (cut grass).......It is all true though....... Can somebody explain the Columbus auction prices to me ??? Duhhh herr DAAARR Duh HUH ?!?!?!?!? And yes, I am a graduate of the "Dumbasses Collectors Club" I hate to admit it, but I will. Same old story, paid too much for stuff when I first started to collect....... it got my rod stiff, you know the drill. But, really, it is all opinion and money. It is a man's money and he can do with it whatever he wants to. The whole thing about the books, and the "BIG BOYS", and the "Money Slingers" is that it just seems like a lot of people aren't just satisfied with the idea of just getting something cool(a nice piece), it's like "Look at what I got, and, oh, by the way, it's worth $3,000." SO what, how about it's juat a nice, pretty, old, piece and just admire it for that. Thinking about modern society, and the ways of the world today(the big money), all the new problems that face us and our country, just sterilizes the whole thing. It's just a huge distraction to the pumps and the signs...... it's so un-natural. This stuff is about a different place in time, a retreat, a pocket of "dream-state". It's bought and sold. I've done it, y'all do it, everybody that has any sense or instinct has done it at some point. Ya say "This is worth x amount", or something along those lines. It's just that way, because it is..... Human-freak-nature. But every single one of you out there has to admit - inflation and "astro-pricing" sucks !!!!! It sucks the fun out of it and it slows the pace. The pace of everything cool about the collecting....... not the money.. It does. It really does. It's like the whole energy about the cool old stuff is completely diverted into something totally different. "How much is it worth?" Not, "Wow, that is just completely beautiful!" Period, no more, end of story, just look and enjoy the beauty and let it take you somewhere.......???
I just became a registered user on here, and I hate to make enemies. I hate I may have offended or made somebody angry. But, I was just stating my views and opinion. It's good for ya!!! There are a handful of class acts that I have met along the way collecting, and I have always kinda just looked at this the way they did, grain of salt and keep it fun. Oh, by the way, you'll all be happy to know that the visible Fry is not mine, I'm selling it for a friend of a friend. I didn't really feel like telling that, because it seemed to be annoying some people. Fun , Fun !!! I didn't come up with that pricing. So I'm just passing that onto you. I'm sure some of you won't believe me, but it's true. And yes, a hose is included, I don't know if it is a cloth hose or not??? I will ask if need be.
I'm young, dumb, and full of, you know...... My desire to collect and learn more about the different aspects and people are just as fun....... If you took all the different neat, crumby, characters out of the hobby, it would be lifeless. And if we were all "Money Slingers", that wouldn't be any fun either. I apologize for writing too much opinion and not enough whatever..... I hope that we can all agree to disagree!!! I like writing sometimes. It's fun, words in a letter are powerful, even in this setting. I look forward to getting to know more of you on this oldgas - Until next time, "Don't stick your nozzle in anyone's tailpipe !!!" NC Royalty

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#34083 - Sun Jul 24 2005 06:06 PM Re: Tok36b
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Guaranteed didn't start till 1916.
Their 1st visible was made in 1917. The pump pictured has a WET HOSE, [was not made till 1924]. Being you have the castiron base, my guess is ABOUT 1918-1920, [& someone did away with the DRY HOSE VALVE].
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#34084 - Mon Jul 25 2005 12:03 AM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
Thank you Dick for the info, I will use it. I appreciate it. Sounds like you know your pumps........ Dave

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#34085 - Mon Jul 25 2005 12:31 AM Re: Tok36b
djhubba Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 24 2003
Loc: Seattle WA
Well well well... dont check in in a couple of days because of long work hours and look what i miss. Opinions are like...er well...lets just say every one has one. I know some of you are passionate debaters but remember to play nice on the boards please. personally if I had more money I would be better standing in the "DAC" (dumb *** club) Alas..I can only do what I can. We ALL love this stuff..thats why we collect, read , debate eat and sleep it. Lets Play nice though. That being said , I paid $600.00 for my 36b..it was super straight and was only missing the top. (Thanks Dick...LOL) I bought a high quality metal repop for it from Seth..fits like a dream and looks awesome. I felt i was very lucky to find this pump for that price and most of them here in the pacific NW go from $1000 - $1300. I think they are one of the most beautiful art deco style pumps ever made and any serious pump collector should have one and if thats the case..pricing and "worth" as always comes down to supply and demand. I am on the Fatkins diet so I like extra bread..do I think a loaf of bread is worth $25.00...NO but, if that was the only bread avaible when I wanted it...I would probably pay it.....I am stupid like that...LOL. Have fun, and have a great time with this Hobby we all love.

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#34086 - Mon Jul 25 2005 01:19 AM Re: Tok36b
travis_towle Offline
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Registered: Wed Jan 22 2003
Loc: Topeka, Kansas USA
I have to chime in here... lol

I do not have much money at all - I make the best of what I have and can hardley pay for my kidney transplant meds and still play in this hobby... "THANK GOD FOR CREDIT CARDS!!" but I dround in the bills...

With all of this chat about spending thousands - yep - can be done easy... BUT I AM STILL MAD about my own father stealing 2 of my fry's "71 and 117" from me to sell on ebay right in front of me knowing that "I" paid 200.00 each for them in 1990's and can not get my hands on one today for less then $1,500.00 on ebay un-restored... Top that with not finding any in the field anymore!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. "hope he dies a real painfull death soon". I know now that I will probably NEVER own anyone of those again! ANYWAY...

This makes me think - is it about over for the visi's? Are we going to have to start buying re-pop parts to start making our gas pumps???

The reason I ask this tonight is I was looking for parts for my new Fry 73 that I am going to put outside in a group of 3 for a gas station project that I am doing and thought about doing 3 re-pop's using new parts in case of theft.

Breakdown:

base (vics) 125.00
sides (gas pump heaven) 200.00
lower door (gas pump heaven) 50.00
handle w/wood grip (gas pump heaven) 64.00
plastic cyl (I make em) 35.00
top (vics) 85.00
globe cup (vics) 25.00
conduit (scobie) 55.00
light arms (scobie) 15.00
light sockets (vics) 21.00
light shades (scobie) 24.00
hose (scobie) 90.00
id tags (scobie) 20.00
nozzle (ebay) 15.00
fry sign w/mount (gas pump heaven) 35.00
Price Box (scobie) 40.00
Globe (u pick em) 70.00
extra parts "rods & mis" (estmate) 50.00
Paint Use Rustoluim (home depot) 40.00

$1001.00 not counting shipping for all brand new parts... The only parts I can not find re-poped yet is the cyl base that the sides attach to, the cyl base rings, & the pumpworks - I am thinking about makeing a cast of my cyl base & rings for this project. All those parts get me a GREAT finished metal copy of my Fry 73's.

NOW - hmm, I just bought my antique Fry 73 on ebay for 821.00 and spent 20.00 in gas to get it... It still needs tons of parts, sand blasted at added expense + bondo and the time I get it done I will have about 1,600.00+ in it. If I would have bought just the new parts it would have cost me only "455.00" not counting the last 3 needed parts I can not get yet...

So where are we at? I saw a fiberglass copy of the old fry 71's on ebay but could not get that guy to talk to me about selling me a "kit" of just the un-finished fiberglass. He wanted me to pay $1,500.00 for his "finished kit pump". I thought about making fiberglass copys of the 2 my dad stole when I got them in the early 90's. Thought it was neat to see someone starting to pop the whole pump in fiberglass - but come on sell me a kit...

So back to the question, where are we at? How long until poor guys like me are just assimbling parts to make our visi's? I bet 10 years maybe less for the visi's...


Travis E. Towle
Topeka, Kansas

785-357-1004

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#34087 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:26 AM Re: Tok36b
dodogas Offline
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Registered: Sat Jan 25 2003
Loc: Kelowna British Columbia Canad...
I think the price of repop puts things in perspective.

How could an original not be worth what newly made is or close too it?? Of course the rougher the original, the lower the price.

If someone thinks an art deco pump complete is only worth 600, they are not going to like the price of an eco air meter!!!!

Its all about supply and demand, after all the scrapyard would only pay by the ton for it...

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#34088 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:31 AM Re: Tok36b
midway oil Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu May 23 2002
Loc: Illinois
Travis...you are probably on to something here because I think that as valuable as the old pumps are getting, it's not making much sense to let them sit out in the elements and suffer. It's like letting your split-window '63 Vette sit out in the driveway or your '69 Mach 1 428SCJ left parked outside week after week after week for years----doesn't make any sense these days!! Thank goodness for the re-po parts suppliers. I will be bringing my Wayne Cut 615 visible and my Tokheim 39 Tallboy back indoors in the next year or two.....plus it will eliminate the theft factor. If nature breaks down a re-po pump or some guy steals a re-po some nite, well 'Oh Well'!!!!.......

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#34089 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:41 AM Re: Tok36b
midway oil Offline
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Registered: Thu May 23 2002
Loc: Illinois
Plus just one other comment on this values thing....if any one of us were going to sell an item and the other guy offered you TOP dollar for it, are you going to say 'No, that's too much, I'll take less for the item.'?? I don't think so.

Everybody wishes it was 1971 again and we were out buying globes for 30 or 50 bucks,,,,but those days are gone the way of the DeSoto and will NEVER be back again...if you want to play you HAVE to pay that's just the way it is.

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#34090 - Mon Jul 25 2005 01:41 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
Nothing will ever replace good old ORIGINAL !!! NEVER !!! Reproduction is the easy way out...... It is fake and and not old. It's like cheating or I don't know what? Especially in signs or globes. I can see using a knob or a access door or something small, but even then, it's new and not old. You can't feel as good about it as if it were old, atleast I can't. It's just not the same. It's like contamination or pointless. So what do you do with a pump that has just one door worth saving, you send it to pumpparts.com and get some good money for it !!! That is not a real website(atleast to my knowledge, I just made it up), but it sounds like a good idea. Is there such a place or dealer? Just old gas pump parts? Seems that everyone has to just go to individual dealers for the stuff or on sites like this one to find them and there is no one exclusive place that deals in just old, original parts...... NO REPRODUCTIONS !!!!!!! A place that buys AND sells.?.?.?.?...... maybe there is and I am ignorant? (Me ignorant, not NC Royalty!!!) It could be the place to go to and networking to save some of these old babies would be a lot easier. Sounds like a good idea though.

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#34091 - Mon Jul 25 2005 05:18 PM Re: Tok36b
travis_towle Offline
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Registered: Wed Jan 22 2003
Loc: Topeka, Kansas USA
Yes, NC I agrea - I love my originals....

BUT - I will never find or be able to afford a roman clo. visi pump. 10-15 grand is what they seem to go for... Even if I found one in the field I would HAVE to sell it, can not have that much in a un-insured pump. I would LOVE to get all the parts for that pump to make one for myself and only have about a grand in it... I would do that this week........... (if anyone makes all of the parts needed to toss one together please call me ASAP)


Travis E. Towle
Topeka, Kansas

785-357-1004

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#34092 - Mon Jul 25 2005 05:36 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
NC...I buy a lot of original parts and sell even more, FYI. Brace yourself though....I buy them cheap and sell them high!! I know, I know, I'm the devil....(see profit=dirty word thread).

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#34093 - Mon Jul 25 2005 08:39 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
Seth, I am aware of the "profit" demon and who he possesses. He possesses people that buy and sell gas stuff solely as a business, and not for the fun and enjoyment of fellowship with friends and aquaintences. It's the people and the dealings, and the life of all the people that we are involved with. I get up and go to work every morning and I am so glad that I don't have to rely on one of the things that I love the most as my main means of income. That would really suck. It would make it something totally different. The two don't mix and are seperate. I guess I don't hate everyone that does rely on it, but those people aren't actually helping the "hobby" at all, they are just exploiting it and helping themselves. I'm not judging , but it is a fact. The business end of this wonderful pastime just sucks....... IT really does. I don't have a lot of money, and I may not ever, but I thank God everyday that I CAN go to work and work. I am thankful for my health, and that I have come from a balanced upbringing. One that has shown me values and quality in that which surrounds me. To distinquish what is compelling and what is outworn. To leave certain things well enough alone ........ I wish it was 1929....... I think I'm going to die one day and I don't know what will happen to all the things that I've collected. I guess it won't matter........

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#34094 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:16 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
I take complete exception to the statement that folks in the oil/gas collectibles biz aren't helping the hobby. I'll remind myself of that tomorrow when I am talking to some ol' boy who has no intention of ever purchasing a thing, about the station his grandpa ran back in the 20's. I'll tell him about the brand history of the oil company, what became of it and such. We'll talk about how he 'recycled oil' from engine into another for a .10/bottle. We'll talk about what the pumps & signs would be worth today, and he'll sigh & say "I wish I'd have kept it all", then he'll say see ya later and hang up my toll-free line (free for you, not me). I'll remember how I don't help the hobby the next time I broker a widow's pumps that hubby left half-restored. She'll tell me his buddies offered $1000 for his 2 clockfaces, and I'll give her the phone # of a guy who'll end up giving her $5000 for the Tok 850 & Erie 400. No big deal, all in a day's work. I'm not complaining, most guys & gals that I spend time with ARE profiting me. I'm not looking for a medal, just saying that simply because I clock in & out everyday amongst pumps, doesn't mean I can't further the love of the hobby. I still love to find a sweet Wayne 60 on a backroad or a dealership sign in an attic, same as everybody else. NOW, if I had to work at a golf course......well, that's another story for another day!

Question, are:
Theater Owners Exploiting Movie Buffs?
Bookstore Owners Exploiting Book Lovers?
Sporting Goods Stores Exploiting Hunters?
Car Parts Dealers Exploiting Hot Rodders?
ETC,ETC

[This message has been edited by Seth Robbins (edited 07-25-2005).]

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#34095 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:25 PM Re: Tok36b
Oldgas Offline
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Registered: Tue Jul 25 2000
Loc: South of St. Louis, MO USA
NC Royalty said this about petro parts vendors, "I guess I don't hate everyone that does rely on it, but those people aren't actually helping the "hobby" at all, they are just exploiting it and helping themselves. I'm not judging, but it is a fact. The business end of this wonderful pastime just sucks."

It sounds to me like you are negatively judging all vendors at once. Many vendors I have met are enthusiasts too. Without them, we would have a much harder time finding the items we want.

NC Royalty suggested earlier today that there should be a central place where gas pump parts could be stockpiled and distributed. Would we expect that person to haul them, store them, inventory them and provide all related services without an expectation of decent compensation?

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#34096 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:27 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
Oh yeah...ask the probably 250 people I've told about Oldgas.com over the phone & at shows when I've not had the part or the answer they were looking for. It really profits me to send them to a place frequented by other dealers. Tell guys like T-way & Scobie they aren't helping when they cast a part for 2 guys or ramp up to make 10 sets of lenses just because a few guys beg them to.

[This message has been edited by Seth Robbins (edited 07-25-2005).]

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#34097 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:38 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
Active Member

Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
touchy, touchy, touchy........ just think about it. Things are the way they are and probably nothing will ever change, so don't worry. I'm just trying to bring us together man, your totally not getting it. Take a deep breath and think happy thoughts....... "Love, Love will keep us together, think of me babe whenever" .......
I bet somebody buys that visible that I have running on eBay. Who wants to bet me???

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#34098 - Mon Jul 25 2005 09:55 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
Don't worry about me, I don't have to stretch far to think happy thoughts. I'm not experiencing any angst about high prices, profiteers, "big-money slingers", or anything like that. I will remind you of your dumb-a** collectors club posts since you are trying to get us all together & love one another.

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#34099 - Mon Jul 25 2005 11:08 PM Re: Tok36b
travis_towle Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Jan 22 2003
Loc: Topeka, Kansas USA
I still LOVE YOU GUYS SETH!!! lol

I deal with your company all the time. As a matter of FACT - you told me about this site and now this is my 230th post. I buy from all of the venders - it is GREAT when you do not have the part I need or someone else has something a little different. BUT - like I told yhou a few years ago, your shop is the BEST shop I have been in - and I have been in them all. Keep up the GREAT & very hard work Seth!

Love that http://www.VicsPlace.com


Travis E. Towle
Topeka, Kansas

785-357-1004

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#34100 - Tue Jul 26 2005 01:24 AM Re: Tok36b
sslick68 Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Jan 24 2005
Loc: Rolla Mo
What a change in only one day???First of all I love vendors and dealers alike,they give me a sense of the value of something or possibly the rarity.We dont have to pay their prices they want if we dont want to but they are definately making money,on the restos,the globe lenses and much more,they may love it but they are putting food on the table and I am sure they dont live in a shack.I own my own little business,its hard work but I dont do it just for fun and neither do you guys!I buy high and sell higher,if you want good stuff thats rust and dent free then you are gong to pay for it,I charge 15 and shops usually charge 45 to 55 an hour which doesnt go far.It doesnt pay to buy junk and then fix it,spend the money on better condition items.There are buyers for everything,I have only collected for years,32 now,but now Im the dealer trying to sell off my collection for good money.Thats just how the game works NC and I dont think that fry will sell,put a cheesburger on it,Ill ups it if I lose,HA HA!

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#34101 - Tue Jul 26 2005 04:09 PM Re: Tok36b
drdent5060 Offline
Active Member

Registered: Sun Nov 04 2001
Loc: decatur Il
Seth robbins has sold me many parts. Everyone I needed to finish a restoration. I expect he'll be selling me more in the future.I believe he is an asset to this hobby.I couldn't have all these cool pumps without him. Your the one that needs to take a breath and find a new attitude or maybe a new hobby to complain about. Mike

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#34102 - Tue Jul 26 2005 04:58 PM Re: Tok36b
Seth Robbins Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Thu Dec 21 2000
Loc: Guthrie, OK. 73044
Mike....you are SO getting a free t-shirt!

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#34103 - Tue Jul 26 2005 05:54 PM Re: Tok36b
blacktee Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Mon Jan 17 2005
Loc: Saline, Mi USA
HAVE ANOTHER BOURBON & COKE NC

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#34104 - Tue Jul 26 2005 06:15 PM Re: Tok36b
kmann Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Tue Aug 26 2003
Loc: new york
wow !!!... someone has an opinion and it leads to this !!.. guess its not healthy to give your views on what you think something is worth.. and... bourbon and coke ?????.. what a waste of good booze !!!

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#34105 - Tue Jul 26 2005 07:44 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
Active Member

Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
I don't always mix it kmann, I was this past weekend. Tonight I'm just gonna do it on some boulders....... Maybe a little Knob Creek or some Jim Beam Black. It's not really bourbon season though, (too hot) but it's my favorite liquor. It's been hot as house full of whores down here in NC !!!!! It's really Gin or Rum season right now. Gin is my summertime choice. Love those Juniper berries !!! Really beer is what should be goin' down - Cold and Delicious !!! Coors or PBR, occasionally Buttwiper, but rice beer gives me the "mud butt". But you know how it is when you get a cravin' for something. Bourbon nite tonite.......

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#34106 - Tue Jul 26 2005 10:15 PM Re: Tok36b
travis_towle Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Jan 22 2003
Loc: Topeka, Kansas USA
I like my Single Barrel Jack straight 1/2 shot at a time.


Travis E. Towle
Topeka, Kansas

785-357-1004

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#34107 - Tue Jul 26 2005 10:34 PM Re: Tok36b
gaspower Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu Mar 01 2001
Loc: Island County, Washington
I don't inbibe much these days but oh man, I could go for a brain freezing cold Rolling Rock right now. Y'all making me thirsty!

"From the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe"

Vern

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#34108 - Tue Jul 26 2005 10:43 PM Re: Tok36b
st.rod Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Fri Feb 15 2002
Loc: Edgewater, Colorful Colorado
I am so glad this post has lightened up! I'll take a rum and Dr. Pepper
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#34109 - Wed Jul 27 2005 07:26 PM Re: Tok36b
FrankSargent Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Sat Oct 19 2002
Loc: Seattle,WA,USA
I second that emotion...
and I will take a dry as dust, double Bombay Martini, on the rocks, with 2 olives please.

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#34110 - Wed Jul 27 2005 07:33 PM Re: Tok36b
Tom Stover Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Sun Oct 07 2001
Loc: Left Coast
Silver Bullet(s) for this oldgasser!!!!!

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#34111 - Wed Jul 27 2005 07:36 PM Re: Tok36b
NC Royalty Offline
Active Member

Registered: Thu Jul 21 2005
Loc: raleigh, nc, usa
I tell you what, I behaved last night and only had two, imagine that, (must be gettin' old........) I think that I might make a frozen whiskey sour tonight. Frozen is good, and you can put some of those marachino? cherries in there before you go to blendin'. "Mmmmmmm good, Barne!!!" Still hot as a set of twice-baked balls down here. I built some crates this afternoon when I got off and my shirt was wet, my pants were wet, and my socks were wet......it started down to my shoes. Hot man, hot. NC

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#34112 - Tue Sep 20 2005 10:13 PM Re: Tok36b
Thunder Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Oct 13 2004
Loc: Colorado
If anybody is still interested.... I have a 36b for sale. Check out my post in the "For Sale or Trade" forum.
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#34113 - Wed Sep 21 2005 09:08 PM Re: Tok36b
Duke of Oil Offline
Member

Registered: Mon Sep 19 2005
Loc: Ga.
Ok.......so where do I get my DAC card?
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