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Another one #350192
Wed Aug 22 2012 08:47 AM
Wed Aug 22 2012 08:47 AM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180953036385#ht_500wt_1219

Wish I could make this kind of money on my legit signs.


Eddy Smith
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Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350203
Wed Aug 22 2012 09:40 AM
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I agree Eddy....pretty sad days ahead for some of these buyers!
Darin


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Re: Another one [Re: DWSheffer] #350205
Wed Aug 22 2012 09:42 AM
Wed Aug 22 2012 09:42 AM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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It's funny, I can't even sell legit dated Socony or Texaco plates for $150-$180 most of the time, and then I see this *****. lol


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Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350210
Wed Aug 22 2012 10:14 AM
Wed Aug 22 2012 10:14 AM
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Abbotsford, British Columbia, ...
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Here's another seller trying to make a quick buck. E-Bay listing # 271034849124. He has three others listed auction style that are in the $20-$30 range with 3-4 days before auctions end. Protects himself by stating, "I believe it is from the 30's or 40's.".


Dave GILL,
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Re: Another one [Re: Dave's Garage] #350216
Wed Aug 22 2012 11:03 AM
Wed Aug 22 2012 11:03 AM
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Greenville SC
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Speaking of it..You did get 200 dollars for that red crown sign..


Kyle DeKoning


Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350223
Wed Aug 22 2012 12:04 PM
Wed Aug 22 2012 12:04 PM
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Fredericktown Missouri
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What makes this stand out as a repo? I of coarse just want to protect my best interest as well as other fellow collectors , and any wisdom I can gain will be passed along. There should be a law for reproducing stuff like this , with the intention of knowingly and eluding one to believe it's a true original , especially as so many of us have and are investing a lot of hard earned money , just wanted to understand what I am missing here? Thanks all.


I like SINCLAIR and old American made stuff ... No china items.
Re: Another one [Re: 47reo-travis] #350227
Wed Aug 22 2012 12:27 PM
Wed Aug 22 2012 12:27 PM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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Kyle, I have never knowingly sold anything that was a repro or I thought might be a repro. Why don't you look at my ebay auctions and see how fake my stuff is? I have made plenty of money on real items, I don't need to defraud anyone. I have beaten that dead horse until it was dead, became a zombie, and died again. I bought that sign from a good collector friend of mine, he has a collection of a couple of hundred signs, same place I get all of my stuff from. I trust him, still do. We all make mistakes and learn. I can honestly say I have talked to enough people, I PROBABLY wouldn't buy that sign again, and have learned in the months since to stick more towards what I know. Again, if I was in the repo business, I'd be happy to be shelling out $20 a pop for repros making $200+ on each one, instead of paying hundreds for the signs I get now, and barely squeezing buy with $25-$150 on each, and losing money sometimes. I offer 14 days to return anything I ship, just in case the collector notices something I don't, so please, don't question my integrity. We have all made mistakes, I learned, even though I'm not 100% sure it was a mistake, I learned enough, and talked to my buddy about it, and it will not happen again.

To answer your question Travis. If you search on ebay, there are 50+ signs, just exactly like the Texaco, same date, rolled the same exact way. Also, the diameter and the fact that 90% of Texaco's plates are square, that is what I personally notice.


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Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350232
Wed Aug 22 2012 01:09 PM
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Fredericktown Missouri
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I appreciate the response , I'm just trying to get facts? You [url=knowhttp://www.oldgas.com/forum/images/general/default/newposts.gif][url=knowhttp://www.oldgas.com/forum/images/general/default/newposts.gif][url=knowhttp://www.oldgas.com/forum/images/general/default/newposts.gif]knowhttp://www.oldgas.com/forum/images/general/default/newposts.gif[/url][/url][/url] I hate to ask dumb questions , but as a old timer co worker always told me(the dumb question is the on you don't ask about! )The sign looked real and i just wanted to educate myself if this was a fake . Again thanks.


I like SINCLAIR and old American made stuff ... No china items.
Re: Another one [Re: 47reo-travis] #350234
Wed Aug 22 2012 01:20 PM
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So what does a real one look like and what was the dead give away on it....educate me.


I am always looking for anything Texaco or Oklahoma oil and gas company's, also I am a newbie at seeking globes.
Re: Another one [Re: texacokie] #350240
Wed Aug 22 2012 01:55 PM
Wed Aug 22 2012 01:55 PM
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LA, usa
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Apparently it didn't sell because the reserve wasn't met.

Re: Another one [Re: TheRoyalCrown] #350276
Wed Aug 22 2012 04:32 PM
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So. Ca.
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Originally Posted By: TheRoyalCrown
Apparently it didn't sell because the reserve wasn't met.


seller isn't going to give it away.. cool


RANDY
Re: Another one [Re: texacokie] #350324
Wed Aug 22 2012 07:59 PM
Wed Aug 22 2012 07:59 PM
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Santa Paula, Calif
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Originally Posted By: texacokie
So what does a real one look like and what was the dead give away on it....educate me.

TEXACO NEVER made this sign This size. It's a REPOP of a Larger size.

Re: Another one [Re: Dick Bennett] #350365
Thu Aug 23 2012 02:14 AM
Thu Aug 23 2012 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
Originally Posted By: texacokie
So what does a real one look like and what was the dead give away on it....educate me.

TEXACO NEVER made this sign This size. It's a REPOP of a Larger size.


And how do you guys know these types of things? Where is this type info obtained from?


Steve Coppens
Always interested in Sunoco items!
Really want a Sunoco National pump ad glass!!
Re: Another one [Re: Steven C.] #350375
Thu Aug 23 2012 05:09 AM
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Mass
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Not one of us learned overnite, it took years of collecting stuff we liked and researching it, there is no way to "teach" someone what took years to accumulate. We collected what we liked and did not give a care if we paid more than others would pay, we collected what we liked and learned as we went along.


"Remember, history that is forgotten is doomed to repeat itself!"
Re: Another one [Re: KZ1000] #350405
Thu Aug 23 2012 08:23 AM
Thu Aug 23 2012 08:23 AM
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New Mexico
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For the benefit of the newcomers,when we don't see it in PCM's pump restoration book and we do see it in Vic's catalog that is enough for many of us.One thing does puzzle.That 9",while the pops are 11 3/4".I don't know how to do it,but it would be interesting if someone asked him to verify that measurement.

Re: Another one [Re: Old Iron] #350418
Thu Aug 23 2012 09:16 AM
Thu Aug 23 2012 09:16 AM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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Not all of the repops are 11 3/4. And he could be measuring it with that bend in it?


Eddy Smith
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Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350422
Thu Aug 23 2012 09:53 AM
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sellers completed items have several of the Texaco, plus a gulf and another, similarly shaped, and other beatup signs that sold.

Must have the same mold for that pretty severe bend thats in those signs

Re: Another one [Re: marxmobilgas] #350435
Thu Aug 23 2012 10:54 AM
Thu Aug 23 2012 10:54 AM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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They buy them flat then roll them through any number of methods


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Re: Another one [Re: Steven C.] #350452
Thu Aug 23 2012 12:47 PM
Thu Aug 23 2012 12:47 PM
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San Jose, CA
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There's a nice little Antique Backroads article written by Jody Major and Dan Matthews about identifying repops. You can subscribe for free.

http://www.antiquebackroads.com/magazine.htm

Re: Another one [Re: Ron Cabanayan] #350485
Thu Aug 23 2012 05:21 PM
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Santa Paula, Calif
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When you put that much curve in a small sign, your going to have Hair Line Cracks in face porcelain. Straighten it back flat & porcelain will pop off.

SC62, IF you buy one of those signs Please tell all of us what it fits on.
Get catalogs from all the Re-pop vendors so you know what is available in repop's.

Re: Another one [Re: Dick Bennett] #350809
Fri Aug 24 2012 09:17 PM
Fri Aug 24 2012 09:17 PM
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La Porte, In
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Eddy,
The red crown sign you sold for 225 dollars was an obvious reproduction!
$225 REPO red crown sign
Its funny you complain about what the sellers repo signs are bringing....When yours did just as good! hahaha just sayin...
People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones....

Re: Another one [Re: tomzcollectiblez] #350814
Fri Aug 24 2012 09:28 PM
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Here is another AGED repo YOU sold for $230 frown
$230 Mobil REPO

Re: Another one [Re: tomzcollectiblez] #350829
Fri Aug 24 2012 11:09 PM
Fri Aug 24 2012 11:09 PM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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Tom, way to stay on topic wink.

The Red Crown. If you would put some effort in to learning to read, you would see that since joining the site I've talked to enough guys to learn that it may have been a repo, and have enough doubt I'd never buy or sell another sign like that or similar again.

Funny that the Mobil sign I asked someone on here about and told me it was most likely an authentic version of the one that is commonly repro'd. I sold that one right before I joined the site, and when I learned it had been reproduced and I couldn't be 100% positive I offered the seller her money back, she refused.

Both of those signs I did not know enough about at the time to buy or to sell. Since joining and talking to a wide variety of new people, I've learned to bury my nose is books/catalogs before doing anything else.

I actually edited this to take out my insulting response even though you apparently have no regard for me.

People with a mentality like yours are ruining this hobby. Everyone makes mistakes, especially when they first start. It's not like I'm sitting here reveling in the fact that I may or may not have sold an unauthentic sign. I could understand the problem if I was constantly polluting the hobby with garbage, but I haven't and I won't.

I'll tell you just like I tell everyone, view my history. You had to go through probably 50 other unquestionably authentic signs to find 2 of my early pieces. 1 of which may have been a repro, the other someone from this site told me after I sold it it may have been 50/50. I offered the buyer her money back because I was unsure, she refused. End of story.

As I said, guys like you are killing this for new collectors, or trying to anyways if I didn't love this hobby, I'd give up the days I spend each month trying to find pieces to add to my collection, and sell and trade, and instead of making a minimal or decent profit margin on signs I'd go spend a couple of hours buying from Vicks and beating on ***** with a hammer and makes hundreds instead of twenties.

I mean, why try to stay honest, why try to help out your fellow man, and point stuff out if all anyone is gonna do is harp on something I have already said I've learned about? If all I'm going to do is get harassed it's worth it not to waste my time and money trying to be part of an excellent tradition. Do you or anyone else who is just completely "holier than thou" think you are driving people to pollute this hobby or abandon it all together? I try to bring people in, not push them out.

Just don't get it.

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Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350830
Sat Aug 25 2012 12:37 AM
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Greenville SC
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Early? It was 2 or 3 weeks ago.... im a "new" collector. And in fact younger than you. I know whats fake and not by reading and reading... i dont just talk about it. Just because you realized you made a mistake doesn't make it right.. you should refund their money and make it right. Tell them it IS fake... not might be. Ive been burned on this site by veterans many times and it didn't ruin the hobby for me. Its about having fun, buying what you like and not about money.


Kyle DeKoning


Re: Another one [Re: Lost Highway] #350831
Sat Aug 25 2012 12:43 AM
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Greenville SC
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I hate to be mean to you i just don't want to be grouped in with the young guns who don't do the right thing. Im not perfect but i do value the friends ive made in the hobby through the website and through being out and about.


Kyle DeKoning


Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350833
Sat Aug 25 2012 12:49 AM
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Just a few observations based on this thread and another few threads with the similar underlying overtones with respect to these two signs in question.

Eddy, don't shoot the messenger. Beating around the bush ain't going to change history. It's a fact that those two signs are reproductions. I think you are aware of that, but are afraid to admit it. If it was an honest mistake, without any intent to knowingly defraud someone of their hard earned cash. Then, that's what it is. The sooner you accept that, and admit to yourself what the rest of us know...is when the process of rebuilding your credibility with those that you have lost it can begin.

I think failing to admit to the oblivious will only fuel the situation and contempt that is directed towards you with respect to the issue of the authenticity of those signs. We have all made mistakes, and we will all make mistakes in the future. What sets the men apart from the boys is admitting to it and shouldering all responsibility. It's not making mistakes that gets people in trouble but rather the process of covering up or denying events that gets people in trouble. There is only one way to put this issue to rest......

Enough said by me.


Dave GILL,
Dave's Garage & Memorabilia, Inc.
Re: Another one [Re: Dave's Garage] #350836
Sat Aug 25 2012 01:12 AM
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Just North of Atlanta, Ga.
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Dave, I wish more people on the site shared your level of intelligence and just overall composure.

I, perhaps unfortunately, don't care about contempt, especially when something so ridiculous fuels it. As you have said, people keep bringing up old news in every thread possible. This is after I have said I have learned so much since joining this site and have pointed out my selling record obviously proves I am not in the business of fraud.

As you said, we'll all make mistakes in the future, and I hope those who have continually harassed me find the same response in their future. I suppose I bring some of it on myself by not just shutting my mouth and taking it, but I have never nor will I ever stand by and let people run their mouth.

I find it sad it does seem to pop up continuously, even in a thread trying to help people avoid making mistakes as well.

I do not care about my credibility with the people on here who run their mouth carelessly. I am however grateful for people like you and others who have taken the time to help me learn I do think people like you are capable of seeing I'm someone who has learned, but has moved on and deals in legitimate items.

So again I thank you.


Eddy Smith
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Re: Another one [Re: Here's Your Sign] #350850
Sat Aug 25 2012 05:12 AM
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Dave has made some good points and said it in a better way than most of us have tried to do, You should read it again and read it slowly. It is ALL about credibility.


"Remember, history that is forgotten is doomed to repeat itself!"
Re: Another one [Re: KZ1000] #350876
Sat Aug 25 2012 07:04 AM
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Good points.


Craig
Re: Another one [Re: Craig Osbeck] #350881
Sat Aug 25 2012 07:24 AM
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I was taught to take the cotton out of my ears and put it in my mouth. Some times I do, sometimes I dont when I should. Also "you cant get twenty years of experiance in twenty weeks". Sometimes I think it applies to everybody else but me. Just sayin.
Also to add another one my Gramma used to say, "It all comes out in the wash!".

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Re: Another one [Re: JimT] #350891
Sat Aug 25 2012 07:52 AM
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Alot of good old Plain common sense in what Dave just wrote. More people than just Eddie should slow down, read and understand. Heck I even needed that. Thanks Dave.

Gene

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