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#355249 - Tue Sep 11 2012 09:15 PM Sinclair Pam Clock
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Registered: Sat Nov 19 2011
Loc: Indiana
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sinclair-Power-X...=item2575237b42

Any thoughts on this one? I am not a expert on clocks..

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#355251 - Tue Sep 11 2012 09:17 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: oldpumper]
THE AMERICAN GARAGE Offline
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Registered: Wed Jun 02 2004
Loc: PECONIC BAY, L.I., NY, USA
face looks suspicious to me. I'm on the fence.
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#355253 - Tue Sep 11 2012 09:23 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: THE AMERICAN GARAGE]
oldpumper Offline
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Registered: Sat Nov 19 2011
Loc: Indiana
Too many repo's nowday's including pam clocks,not to mention fantasy pieces...
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#355260 - Tue Sep 11 2012 09:37 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: oldpumper]
TheRoyalCrown Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 08 2011
Loc: LA, usa
Seller never mentioned original anywhere in description or title. If you have doubts that might be a clue...

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#355284 - Tue Sep 11 2012 11:17 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: TheRoyalCrown]
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I'm not all that familiar with Sinclair clocks. In my opinion that looks to be a fantasy item.
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#355286 - Tue Sep 11 2012 11:18 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: Dave's Garage]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
POWER Decal looks Cocked
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#355306 - Wed Sep 12 2012 05:44 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: Dick Bennett]
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Loc: Antioch,IL
I saw this,and have never seen one like it before.just to hard to tell with all the fakes out there.im sticking with neons
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#355311 - Wed Sep 12 2012 06:28 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: oldnfuelish]
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Loc: Mass
I could be wrong but I seem to remember all the original Pam clocks having the date.
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#355315 - Wed Sep 12 2012 06:54 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: KZ1000]
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Loc: Antioch,IL
Not so Rick.some are, some aren't. I have a couple not dated, and a few that are.all are known to be original. Even some repos are dated also.
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#355316 - Wed Sep 12 2012 06:56 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: oldnfuelish]
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Loc: Mass
ok wrong again blush
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#355320 - Wed Sep 12 2012 07:50 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: KZ1000]
Cold Pizza Offline
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Registered: Tue May 17 2005
Loc: Illinois
In general,I'm finding "Must See" is the favored slang for selling non original items.
Meaning if you saw it in person & up close,you'd see it's details & realize it was homemade recently or many years ago.
JMO..

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#355340 - Wed Sep 12 2012 09:03 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: Cold Pizza]
eshaver Offline
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Registered: Mon Sep 29 2008
Loc: richmond , Virginia
Originally Posted By: coldpizza
In general,I'm finding "Must See" is the favored slang for selling non original items.
Meaning if you saw it in person & up close,you'd see it's details & realize it was homemade recently or many years ago.
JMO..


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#355355 - Wed Sep 12 2012 10:42 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: eshaver]
keithia Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 14 2001
Loc: USA
It has the newer logo at the 3, 6, 9 and 12 o'clock positions which came out in 1959 which was when Power-X was replaced by Dino Supreme. If my facts are straight this would be a fantasy clock.
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#355392 - Wed Sep 12 2012 02:52 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: keithia]
Wes Maxwell Offline
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Registered: Fri Oct 15 2004
Loc: Central Ohio
PCM's guide to gas pump restoration (first edition) on page 186 shows the Sinclair Power X the super fuel globes were used from 1953 to 1959. The new trapazoid logo did come out in 1959 also. Dino Supreme came out in 1962. Also from 1959 - 1962 there were two other Power X globes in use. So while it is possible the clock was made in a logo transition time frame, I would be careful...
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#355394 - Wed Sep 12 2012 03:01 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: Wes Maxwell]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...Sinclair logos are off...the name 'Sinclair' is too big...and I've never seen a 'reverse' Sinclair logo...run, don't walk, away from this fake...
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#355397 - Wed Sep 12 2012 03:25 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: gulfiend!]
marxmobilgas Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 10 2003
Loc: DFW Texas USA
whats reversed?

With the:
bright white area(no bugs,dirt, crazing after 40 years with bulbs burning away?)

the modern looking font on the PAM CLOCK info area
(a lot of the repro faces have this type font, look at real ones for examples and compare)

the dual logos(why isnt it just Power X graphics? it would have been in the station, no need to identify it as Sinclair)and repros tend to "overdo" it graphics wise to sell the fake product versus the simple original graphics on real items.
Why isnt Sinclair letters red on this one?

I'd bet fake until proven otherwise

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#355399 - Wed Sep 12 2012 03:38 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: marxmobilgas]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
'reverse' - white letters and Dino on a green field...
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#355456 - Wed Sep 12 2012 07:16 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: gulfiend!]
Tankar Offline
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Registered: Thu Oct 30 2008
Loc: MN United States
I agree total FAKE!

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#355458 - Wed Sep 12 2012 07:28 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: Tankar]
coheley5 Offline
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Registered: Thu Jun 11 2009
Loc: Georgia
Seems to me every time I see an ebay add with a guy holding up a sign or a clock with his hand showing just as it is in the RCA clock photo below on the same page as the dino it is always a fake.
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#355464 - Wed Sep 12 2012 07:43 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: coheley5]
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Registered: Tue Feb 08 2011
Loc: Upstate SC, USA
FWIW... http://www.americanpickerswarehouse.com/Sinclair-Power-X_p_167.html Same face as on the clock.

The back seems like a new Pam rather than vintage. So all in all I'd say it's a fantasy piece. That being said, I've seen plenty of modern Pams selling at local auctions for high money. ($250-400).

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#355569 - Thu Sep 13 2012 09:45 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: carolinaskies]
marxmobilgas Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 10 2003
Loc: DFW Texas USA
carolinaskies,

I think the body is vintage PAM clock(what do new ones look like?(other than round ones with aluminum light covers)

its an old PAM clock, just probably not originally Sinclair

same story, old PAM clock, totally new face.

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#355605 - Thu Sep 13 2012 02:07 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: marxmobilgas]
carolinaskies Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 08 2011
Loc: Upstate SC, USA
I just sold a Universal at Dixie, this one seems far too clean a body for vintage. BTW, the same seller had other Pams he has sold... some looked OK, others doubtful. Definitely would prefer seeing them in person.
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#355608 - Thu Sep 13 2012 02:26 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: carolinaskies]
marxmobilgas Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 10 2003
Loc: DFW Texas USA
some of these werent used very much, they were in business until 1976 or so
they made a bunch for many companies so it is possible for one to have been made and not used
I would think all of the different angles in the backs of the square PAM bodies would be expensive to replicate, and in the same gold color
I have seen the new round bodies but not new square bodies that look original.

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#355613 - Thu Sep 13 2012 02:59 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: marxmobilgas]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
It's not the bodies that concern MOST of us.

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#355636 - Thu Sep 13 2012 05:28 PM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: Dick Bennett]
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...with all of the Pam clocks that have suffered badly peeling paint, there are plenty of old bodies to go around, and the flat glass is easy enough to create...
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#355745 - Fri Sep 14 2012 06:03 AM Re: Sinclair Pam Clock [Re: marxmobilgas]
carolinaskies Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 08 2011
Loc: Upstate SC, USA
They have repop'd/fantasy'd round and square and even double bubble versions. I recently sold a square Nesbitt's repop and inspected some round versions. That's why the back on the OP piece looks suspect to me. But as others are saying, what is the bigger concern is the face, it's apparently pure fantasy and confuses the issue of authenticity.

Originally Posted By: marxmobilgas
some of these werent used very much, they were in business until 1976 or so
they made a bunch for many companies so it is possible for one to have been made and not used
I would think all of the different angles in the backs of the square PAM bodies would be expensive to replicate, and in the same gold color
I have seen the new round bodies but not new square bodies that look original.
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