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Pump removal. #37036
Mon Mar 13 2006 01:22 PM
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I've been offered a pump if I'll disconnect it and take it away.
It's a Canadian Gilbarco 1006, 2 sided pump in not bad shape, straight, bit rusty, couple of small rust holes in the skin on one side near the bottom. Unbranded, Painted green, plexi panels say "Regular." No globe, but there is a knockout for one.
This pump is not in service - hasn't been for many years - but is still connected to the underground tank and electricity.
Any advice on what is involved in safely removing this pump? I have no problem with the electricity - it is connected to a modern breaker panel that can be locked out.
But - how do I safely remove it and cap the suction pipe? I have not been able to look inside yet, and have no idea what's in there.
Plus - even though I have been offered the pump gratis, what's it worth? I don't want the man to think I've ripped him off. I don't have any book for reference (yet...).

Never done a pump. Should be fun...

Thanks in advance.

[This message has been edited by silent chief (edited 03-13-2006).]


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Re: Pump removal. #37037
Mon Mar 13 2006 02:16 PM
Mon Mar 13 2006 02:16 PM
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If it is attached to an underground tank, try to find out if there is fuel. If you can take the pipe apart with a pipe wrench you should be good to go. If you have to cut the pipe, be careul. If you use a Sawzall there can be sparks. A hacksaw is labor intensive, but safer. Underground tanks (in the US) are supposed to be pumped out and removed. If you can tap a cap ontop that is good. I have seen them with a rag stuffed inthem as well. Not sure of value as i don't have my book. Good luck


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Re: Pump removal. #37038
Mon Mar 13 2006 03:20 PM
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Good pump for your first resto. I couldn't find it in Jacks book, but if it is like a GB 102 value would 250, but in my area they would be about 100 so would be a fair exchange for thaking it out. I fit is a twin pump like a GB 1026 then book value is 750. I agree with Alex shouldn't be much trouble getting it out. Make sure you bring along some long cheater pipes for your pipe wrenches, the original pipe fittings can be stuborn. I usually ground the pump out with jumpercables, habit, to many years working around aircraft and static electricity. Have fun and lets see some pictures of the pump when you get it home.

Re: Pump removal. #37039
Mon Mar 13 2006 05:55 PM
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The pump will be connected with a union to the underground tank. NO CUTTING REQUIRED.
I always keep wire nuts, electical tape & 1 1/4", 1 1/2" & 2" caps on my truck for capping off the pipe.
Dick

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Re: Pump removal. #37040
Mon Mar 13 2006 06:07 PM
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Don't know what it's worth but the price is right!

Chances are you will find the pump lagged down with 4 bolts that will need removed, and connected to the suction pipe down to the tank via a union, maybe 1.5". The union could be real tight but if you smack it pretty hard with medium sledge hammer from as many sides as you can hit it, it should come right off with the pipe wrenches. Remove the bottom of the union left on the pipe, put a pipe cap on. Don't forget the wire nuts to make it look official. Still could be "Old Gas" in the pump & meter w/you tip it over to load it..... and it's a lot heavier than it looks.

Sounds good on paper, hope it goes better for you than my recent pump removal story.
(notice my smiley has safety glasses on and his hair is singed off)
GOOD LUCK, HAVE FUN!


*dang, didn't know it took me that long to type that, DB beat me to it*


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Re: Pump removal. #37041
Mon Mar 13 2006 10:36 PM
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tokheim,
You talking about a FIRE ?
After getting pumps to my storage yard, I would use a TORCH to gut the pump. ONLY had 1 FIRE, it burnt like diesel, OLD DIESEL !

Best part about dumping OLD GASOLINE in the bed of your truck. You're REMINDED every time you get close,
THAT YOU SCORED ANOTHER PUMP !!
GAWDDD, WHAT A GREAT FEELING !!
Dick

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Re: Pump removal. #37042
Tue Mar 14 2006 05:22 AM
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No fire but could have been bad, the pump was dry/old/vapor free and the tank apparently was also. Keep in mind I'm still new at this, and the Wayne 70 was locked up tight, all glass and doors on, couldn't get in it so we just rocked it around till the suction pipe pulled out of the pump manifold and the anchors pulled out of the blocks it was on. The owner sold it to me but didn't tell the guy who rented the place so he comes out thinking two guys are stealing this pump at night in the headlights of the truck and was pretty grouchy. I asked him to shut the power off and he says sure..about a min later the pump light goes out... So my friend is holding the pump at an angle and I'm up to my shoulder underneath, I get a firm grip on the heavy wire with my linemans pliers, bite down on it and it looked like the Fourth of JULY with the sparks flying, you could have read a newspaper on the ground. Turns out the breaker only shut off the lights and the pump power was jumped off the 220 submersible well pump a couple feet away.
Every five to ten minutes on the way home my SOB buddy would start chuckling.. I'd gance over and give him the now what look and he'd say, man you should have seen your face, your eyes were this big, he, he etc...

It was funny after the fact, but fresh gas and I could have been Torched Tok, and I should have known better.

Re: Pump removal. #37043
Tue Mar 14 2006 07:26 AM
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NEVER cut 2 wires at same time, it'll GET YA !!
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Re: Pump removal. #37044
Tue Mar 14 2006 08:40 AM
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All good information - thanks!

I'll get some pictures once the weather calms down a bit, and I'll get to the removal as soon as it warms up a bit.

Looks like 2 24" pipe wrenches, a sledge, a "persuader bar" (wrench handle extender), and some penetrating oil are in order. And a strong friend who will work for beer...

I'll be watching the Pump Restoration thread with interest. Will have to strip this pump and fill a few holes in one skin.


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Re: Pump removal. #37045
Tue Mar 14 2006 01:55 PM
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Silent Chief: Also, go out a few days ahead if you can and put the penetrating oil on and let it soak. I was undoing a pipe and the farmer's son (who played pro football) couldn't get the pipes broke a part. Had to cut them.

Rereading this thread got me to thinking about all of the safety we should observe when getting a pump, lifting a heavy sign, dealing with old gas etc. Safety glasses, gloves, enough help to lift are things that should be considered. While we all have a good laugh at the "ones we survived," it would be sad to get hurt and have the pump or sign be a constant reminder. Be safe.


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Re: Pump removal. #37046
Tue Mar 14 2006 02:49 PM
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Yes, I'll be very cognizant of safety. I spent 18 years in a refinery dealing with exactly these types of hazards - in a refinery, you're in a controlled environment. Out in the real world, stuff can sneak up on ya if yer not careful...

Here it is in the wild.


This is the bad side. several rust perforations. The other side is better, faces north, no sun fading, but lots of surface rust.

This is the front:


From the back, hose side:


Apparently, pump was in service until a couple of years ago. Hose is sound and flexible.



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Re: Pump removal. #37047
Tue Mar 14 2006 04:34 PM
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Nice little pump, you'll have fun restoring it. Richard

Re: Pump removal. #37048
Tue Mar 14 2006 06:11 PM
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Save your BACK & the BEER, get a PUMP LOADER.

This will lift 1500 lbs. & doesn't drink BEER !! LOL
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Re: Pump removal. #37049
Mon Mar 20 2006 03:39 PM
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Got to it today. Here it is skins off:



One of the lower skins is pretty rusty and holed in many places. May not be worth rescuing.

How to remove a union - the only thing holding down this pump. Two wrenches and Realeasall.



Here it is disconnected and stripped. It's still really heavy! Can't figure out how to get the motor out. Gonna hit the conduit with the Sawzall tomorrow - enough for today!



Now, if somebody could teach me how to take a decent picture with this camera, I'd really have something, wouldn't I?



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Re: Pump removal. #37050
Mon Mar 20 2006 03:59 PM
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Skins. There are four, two top, two bottom. One of the bottom skins (the one shown is the good one) is pretty badly rusted out. Good news is, the plexi windows are in really good shape - no cracks, no fading - pump was in the shade. Now I need real help - never done any body work - ever...



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