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Mobilgas real or fake ? #384766
Wed Jan 09 2013 09:34 PM
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Gualala, CA
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I have this sign listed in the for sale section and I have always questioned its authenticity. I bought it about two years ago from this ebay seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Mobil-Oil-Mo...=item20ce8d3976 He sells one every month or so. Did he find a stack of NOS ones some place or are the freshly made ? I don't want to sell mine as real if it isn't !



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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Scott Baselt] #384777
Wed Jan 09 2013 10:50 PM
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Me thinks HE is a very Creative Seller.
Those signs are just TOO Perfect [front & Back] to be 1941 as dated on bottom.

It'd be real interesting to know how many he has sold as NOS?

Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dick Bennett] #384779
Wed Jan 09 2013 11:20 PM
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It is freshly made just like the monarch outboard and he also sells small round orange crush porcelain signs....trust me there is no end to them, i have seen them selling for over a year now...mm


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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: minuteman] #384781
Wed Jan 09 2013 11:29 PM
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I agree, a fake sign.


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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dave's Garage] #384787
Thu Jan 10 2013 04:33 AM
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Hey Scott. I notice one detail that is lacking in yours and the one in the link you posted. Look at the tail, the lines run together unlike this one which seems more uniformed.



This is my keyhole sign but if you look in the Mobil collectors guide, there is one from Dave Mercers collection pictured as well and you can see the same tail details as the one I posted.

Also look at an old auction too, look at its tail. I believe this sign is the real deal also.
eBay number: 330846685335

Hope that helps some.

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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1] #384805
Thu Jan 10 2013 07:30 AM
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Dan, mcguffeyd1, and I have been back and forth on these signs a couple times. I explained to him this is a sign I would ONLY buy from a reputable dealer in the hobby as there are just too many perfect ones on Ebay, frequently from the same sellers. It has scared me from buying one for sure and I do not own one of these signs for this reason. The only ones I know are good are normally too toasty for me to be interested in. smile
I had questioned the authenticity of these signs probably 3 years ago on Old Gas and I don't think a conclusion was ever reached. At that time they were possibly new to the market, but now I see them so frequently I personally do not think that 99% currently available on-line are genuine. When Scott listed his I wondered about it, but I question almost every one I see. I will say however that the Mobilgas Special version is quite a bit more scarce and I have not questioned any of that version, YET! I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they show up frequently in perfect condition as well.
I think something to keep in mind is this is a tin sign. We all know unless there was a "warehouse find" of perfect signs the probability of a large quantity of them being NOS is slim. Generally warehouse finds in this hobby are hard to keep secret, so if one was found I think someone would know about it. That's what doesn't sit well with me here, especially with the age of the original sign. The first dated porcelain shield pump plates are marked IR46. IF most of these tin signs were used for approximately 5 years they should show some signs of use, but almost all appearing these days are NOS. Again....something just doesn't add up.
Darin

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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1] #384806
Thu Jan 10 2013 07:31 AM
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If it makes you feel any better Scott, he got me too. I knew it as soon as I opened the package. Beware fo this loser. He refused to refund saying it was accurately described as vintage. He never admitted it was a fake but why would he? He had my money.

Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: tetraethyl] #384818
Thu Jan 10 2013 08:25 AM
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I do agree with Dan that the Ebay auction number 330846685335 is an original sign. Most originals I've seen have a uniform aged ivory color to the "white" and the blues seem darker than the reproductions. I also notice a crispness to the lettering that the questionable ones lack, and the paint on the originals looks heavy and layered, like the process used in the era.


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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: DWSheffer] #384824
Thu Jan 10 2013 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: DWSheffer
I do agree with Dan that the Ebay auction number 330846685335 is an original sign. Most originals I've seen have a uniform aged ivory color to the "white" and the blues seem darker than the reproductions. I also notice a crispness to the lettering that the questionable ones lack, and the paint on the originals looks heavy and layered, like the process used in the era.


I also agree with Darin on this. Most of the repops are too white and stick out like a sore thumb. I have looked and looked for one of these and almost bought one from that seller. I didn't because they looked like the finish was flat. An original has a heavy paint and "shelving" almost like porcelain signs. Plus this one and all the ones he has sold don't has markings on the holes where screws would have been. So in short this guy is getting the buyers good. Sad but true.


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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1] #384837
Thu Jan 10 2013 09:46 AM
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Thanks for the info guys. My sign is no longer for sale. My gut feeling was correct even though I didn't want to admit it.



Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: tetraethyl] #384840
Thu Jan 10 2013 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: tetraethyl
If it makes you feel any better Scott, he got me too. I knew it as soon as I opened the package. Beware fo this loser. He refused to refund saying it was accurately described as vintage. He never admitted it was a fake but why would he? He had my money.

I Thought that was a Plus for using PayPal, that an item could be sent back for refund, even if seller stated No Refunds?

Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dick Bennett] #384841
Thu Jan 10 2013 10:10 AM
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DB is correct and you can take up a claim with PayPal, if and only if you paid via PayPal, and they will take the item, at your shipping cost, and get your money back. Seen it happen,so the seller is out in the end and you get money back. They actually take it out of their account. It's in the small print when you agree to PayPals services. A little waiting period but not too bad. Had to do it once on a item i ordered from over seas (non petro related).


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Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1] #384843
Thu Jan 10 2013 10:22 AM
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Great information DB and McGuffey! I love this site!

Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Scott Baselt] #384848
Thu Jan 10 2013 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: Scott Baselt
Thanks for the info guys. My sign is no longer for sale. My gut feeling was correct even though I didn't want to admit it.


That is a noble thing to do.

Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: dalin] #385102
Fri Jan 11 2013 10:21 AM
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Thank you Scott.Good move. I think it sends out the message loud and clear that there are some responsible,honest collectors here on OLDGAS who can and will do the right thing when a situation like this comes up.It sits a great example IMO.

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