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#384766 - Wed Jan 09 2013 10:34 PM Mobilgas real or fake ?
Scott Baselt Offline
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Registered: Tue Apr 10 2007
Loc: Gualala, CA
I have this sign listed in the for sale section and I have always questioned its authenticity. I bought it about two years ago from this ebay seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Mobil-Oil-Mo...=item20ce8d3976 He sells one every month or so. Did he find a stack of NOS ones some place or are the freshly made ? I don't want to sell mine as real if it isn't !



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#384777 - Wed Jan 09 2013 11:50 PM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Scott Baselt]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Me thinks HE is a very Creative Seller.
Those signs are just TOO Perfect [front & Back] to be 1941 as dated on bottom.

It'd be real interesting to know how many he has sold as NOS?

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#384779 - Thu Jan 10 2013 12:20 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dick Bennett]
minuteman Offline
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Registered: Sat Apr 05 2003
Loc: Big Sky Country
It is freshly made just like the monarch outboard and he also sells small round orange crush porcelain signs....trust me there is no end to them, i have seen them selling for over a year now...mm
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#384781 - Thu Jan 10 2013 12:29 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: minuteman]
Dave's Garage Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 05 2011
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I agree, a fake sign.
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#384787 - Thu Jan 10 2013 05:33 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dave's Garage]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
Hey Scott. I notice one detail that is lacking in yours and the one in the link you posted. Look at the tail, the lines run together unlike this one which seems more uniformed.



This is my keyhole sign but if you look in the Mobil collectors guide, there is one from Dave Mercers collection pictured as well and you can see the same tail details as the one I posted.

Also look at an old auction too, look at its tail. I believe this sign is the real deal also.
eBay number: 330846685335

Hope that helps some.


Edited by mcguffeyd1 (Thu Jan 10 2013 05:47 AM)
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#384805 - Thu Jan 10 2013 08:30 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1]
DWSheffer Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 20 2007
Loc: Hillsdale, Michigan
Dan, mcguffeyd1, and I have been back and forth on these signs a couple times. I explained to him this is a sign I would ONLY buy from a reputable dealer in the hobby as there are just too many perfect ones on Ebay, frequently from the same sellers. It has scared me from buying one for sure and I do not own one of these signs for this reason. The only ones I know are good are normally too toasty for me to be interested in. smile
I had questioned the authenticity of these signs probably 3 years ago on Old Gas and I don't think a conclusion was ever reached. At that time they were possibly new to the market, but now I see them so frequently I personally do not think that 99% currently available on-line are genuine. When Scott listed his I wondered about it, but I question almost every one I see. I will say however that the Mobilgas Special version is quite a bit more scarce and I have not questioned any of that version, YET! I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they show up frequently in perfect condition as well.
I think something to keep in mind is this is a tin sign. We all know unless there was a "warehouse find" of perfect signs the probability of a large quantity of them being NOS is slim. Generally warehouse finds in this hobby are hard to keep secret, so if one was found I think someone would know about it. That's what doesn't sit well with me here, especially with the age of the original sign. The first dated porcelain shield pump plates are marked IR46. IF most of these tin signs were used for approximately 5 years they should show some signs of use, but almost all appearing these days are NOS. Again....something just doesn't add up.
Darin


Edited by DWSheffer (Thu Jan 10 2013 08:58 AM)
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#384806 - Thu Jan 10 2013 08:31 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1]
tetraethyl Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 20 2012
Loc: Ardmore, Oklahoma
If it makes you feel any better Scott, he got me too. I knew it as soon as I opened the package. Beware fo this loser. He refused to refund saying it was accurately described as vintage. He never admitted it was a fake but why would he? He had my money.

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#384818 - Thu Jan 10 2013 09:25 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: tetraethyl]
DWSheffer Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 20 2007
Loc: Hillsdale, Michigan
I do agree with Dan that the Ebay auction number 330846685335 is an original sign. Most originals I've seen have a uniform aged ivory color to the "white" and the blues seem darker than the reproductions. I also notice a crispness to the lettering that the questionable ones lack, and the paint on the originals looks heavy and layered, like the process used in the era.
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#384824 - Thu Jan 10 2013 09:37 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: DWSheffer]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
Originally Posted By: DWSheffer
I do agree with Dan that the Ebay auction number 330846685335 is an original sign. Most originals I've seen have a uniform aged ivory color to the "white" and the blues seem darker than the reproductions. I also notice a crispness to the lettering that the questionable ones lack, and the paint on the originals looks heavy and layered, like the process used in the era.


I also agree with Darin on this. Most of the repops are too white and stick out like a sore thumb. I have looked and looked for one of these and almost bought one from that seller. I didn't because they looked like the finish was flat. An original has a heavy paint and "shelving" almost like porcelain signs. Plus this one and all the ones he has sold don't has markings on the holes where screws would have been. So in short this guy is getting the buyers good. Sad but true.
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#384837 - Thu Jan 10 2013 10:46 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1]
Scott Baselt Offline
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Registered: Tue Apr 10 2007
Loc: Gualala, CA
Thanks for the info guys. My sign is no longer for sale. My gut feeling was correct even though I didn't want to admit it.
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#384840 - Thu Jan 10 2013 11:03 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: tetraethyl]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Originally Posted By: tetraethyl
If it makes you feel any better Scott, he got me too. I knew it as soon as I opened the package. Beware fo this loser. He refused to refund saying it was accurately described as vintage. He never admitted it was a fake but why would he? He had my money.

I Thought that was a Plus for using PayPal, that an item could be sent back for refund, even if seller stated No Refunds?
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#384841 - Thu Jan 10 2013 11:10 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dick Bennett]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
DB is correct and you can take up a claim with PayPal, if and only if you paid via PayPal, and they will take the item, at your shipping cost, and get your money back. Seen it happen,so the seller is out in the end and you get money back. They actually take it out of their account. It's in the small print when you agree to PayPals services. A little waiting period but not too bad. Had to do it once on a item i ordered from over seas (non petro related).
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#384843 - Thu Jan 10 2013 11:22 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1]
tetraethyl Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 20 2012
Loc: Ardmore, Oklahoma
Great information DB and McGuffey! I love this site!

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#384848 - Thu Jan 10 2013 11:33 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Scott Baselt]
dalin Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Mar 07 2012
Loc: North Dakota
Originally Posted By: Scott Baselt
Thanks for the info guys. My sign is no longer for sale. My gut feeling was correct even though I didn't want to admit it.


That is a noble thing to do.

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#385102 - Fri Jan 11 2013 11:21 AM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: dalin]
Old Iron Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 10 2009
Loc: New Mexico
Thank you Scott.Good move. I think it sends out the message loud and clear that there are some responsible,honest collectors here on OLDGAS who can and will do the right thing when a situation like this comes up.It sits a great example IMO.

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#393679 - Tue Feb 12 2013 06:17 PM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Old Iron]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
Well looky here what is happening now

eBay:
150994888960

Same selling is making them look rusty and olderish
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#393704 - Tue Feb 12 2013 07:05 PM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: mcguffeyd1]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Originally Posted By: ebay seller emazer
"The Auction is for 2 Both Old Metal Old Mobil Oil Mobilgas Sign with Pegasus, The 2 signs were together facing each other and were outside for a couple of months, so moisture and water must of gotten in between them and started to rust in just those 2 spots. I just forgot about them as I have a huge yard and just forgot about them,

How many collectors buy a couple of Painted Tin sign & Leave them Outside? ZERO
IF They were left outside for only a couple of months, WHY is there not more rust on AT LEAST 1 of the signs?
BIGGEST B.S. Story I have heard in quite AWHILE.

ebay needs to Set & Enforce some kind of Penalty [2X-3X +] for selling BOGUS ITEMS CLAIMING THEY ARE OLD/ORIGINAL.
BUT THEY WON'T.


Edited by Dick Bennett (Tue Feb 12 2013 07:15 PM)
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#393706 - Tue Feb 12 2013 07:16 PM Re: Mobilgas real or fake ? [Re: Dick Bennett]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
How many collectors buy a couple of Painted Tin sign & Leave them Outside? ZERO
IF They were left outside for only a couple of months, WHY is there not more rust on AT 1 of the signs?
BIGGEST B.S. Story I have heard in quite AWHILE.

thats quite a story.. cool
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