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#385362 - Sat Jan 12 2013 12:53 PM Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Below you will find a large variety of markers that I have captured from a variety of sources including oldgas. While I know the identity of some, I have marked many as unknown since they may have been used by more than one company or specific to only one specific model. If you can help me identify the company and or models they were used on, I can post them in the gallery to help other restorers. Thanks.


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American 1.jpg

Description: #1

Bowser.jpg

Description: #2

Bowser C-111.jpg

Description: #3

Fry.jpg

Description: #4



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#385364 - Sat Jan 12 2013 12:59 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More Pictures


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Gilbert & Barker.jpg

Description: #5

Godshalk or Keese.jpg

Description: #6

GROETKEN 67 indicators.jpg

Description: #7

Rush.jpg

Description: #8



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#385367 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:01 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More pictures


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Southwest.jpg

Description: #9

Tokheim 600 series.jpg

Description: #10

Unknown 1.jpg

Description: #11

Unknown 2.jpg

Description: #12



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#385368 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:03 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More pictures


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Unknown 3.jpg

Description: #13

Unknown 4.jpg

Description: #14

Unknown 5 Gallon set.jpg

Description: #15

Unknown 6.jpg

Description: #16



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#385371 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:05 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More pictures


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Unknown 7.jpg

Description: #17

Unknown 8.jpg

Description: #18

Unknown 9.jpg

Description: #19

Unknown 10.jpg

Description: #20




Edited by Tim Rohr (Sat Jan 12 2013 01:31 PM)

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#385372 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:06 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More Pictures


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Unknown 11.jpg

Description: #21

Unknown 12.jpg

Description: #22

Unknown 13.jpg

Description: #23

Unknown 14.jpg

Description: #24



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#385374 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:08 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More Pictures


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Unknown 15.jpg

Description: #25

Unknown 17.jpg

Description: #27

Unknown 18.jpg

Description: #28

Unknown 16.jpg

Description: #26




Edited by Tim Rohr (Sat Jan 12 2013 01:32 PM)

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#385376 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:09 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More Pictures


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Unknown 19.jpg

Description: #29

Unknown 20.jpg

Description: #30

Unknown 21.jpg

Description: #31

Unknown 22.jpg

Description: #32



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#385377 - Sat Jan 12 2013 01:11 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More pictures


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Unknown 23.jpg

Description: #33

Unknown 24.jpg

Description: #34

Unknown 25.jpg

Description: #35

Unknown 26.jpg

Description: #36



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#385426 - Sat Jan 12 2013 04:20 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
gasoildude Offline
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Loc: Oneida IL USA
Very nice work Tim & great idea smile
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#385449 - Sat Jan 12 2013 05:35 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: gasoildude]
buzzy56 Offline
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Registered: Sat Nov 24 2012
Loc: Michigan
Sure your not a beancounter ######s. Ha Ha.Nice to see such a vast collection in one place.Very nice .
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#385504 - Sat Jan 12 2013 09:46 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: buzzy56]
gatorgaspumps Offline
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Registered: Mon Jun 07 2004
Loc: Walla Walla, WA USA
Ok I'll start it out #26 is a Dayton 400 stick. Richard

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#385507 - Sat Jan 12 2013 10:00 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: gatorgaspumps]
bsplichal95 Offline
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Registered: Sat May 26 2012
Loc: Hays, Kansas
Description #5 is G&B T-176 gallon markers.
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#385525 - Sat Jan 12 2013 11:39 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: bsplichal95]
Novaman Offline
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Registered: Tue Jan 14 2003
Loc: Ellensburg, WA
#27 Boyle Dayton 74 Vizo.

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#385528 - Sat Jan 12 2013 11:57 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks to Richard (gatorgaspumps) for emailing me these pictures. Anyone else who has a markers that are not shown please feel free to send me a picture or add to this post


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Tokheim 199-200.jpg

Description: Tokheim 199/200



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#385533 - Sun Jan 13 2013 12:49 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
#1 AMERICAN [5,10 & 15gal]
#2 BOWSER
#5 G&B T-176 mounted on Alum Tubing
#16 Early WAYNE 490/491/492/515
#20 BD Inside Cyl. Brass Pointers & Outside Cyl. # Strip
#35 GUARANTEE #80-82
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#385644 - Sun Jan 13 2013 12:46 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Dick Bennett]
gatorgaspumps Offline
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Registered: Mon Jun 07 2004
Loc: Walla Walla, WA USA
Ok I'll do another one #27 Wayne 78, 83. Richard

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#385673 - Sun Jan 13 2013 02:21 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Illustration # 14 appears to be a G&B Model 67


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G&b Model #67 Square Five-gallon Visible Gas Pump.jpg



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#385936 - Mon Jan 14 2013 09:39 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
gatorgaspumps Offline
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Registered: Mon Jun 07 2004
Loc: Walla Walla, WA USA
Number28 were used on alot of Wayne pumps. Richard

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#385942 - Mon Jan 14 2013 10:10 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Here's another marker. It's from a Fleckenstein 5 Gallon pump.


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Fleckenstein 5 Gallon.jpg

Description: Fleckenstein 5 Gallon Marker



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#386254 - Tue Jan 15 2013 09:55 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
gatorgaspumps Offline
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Registered: Mon Jun 07 2004
Loc: Walla Walla, WA USA
The last one I know is #10 Tokheim 600 series. It would be nice if we could identify all these markers. Would be a great reference thread. When I find a pump in the wild the first thing I look for is the gallon markers to start the identification process. I've also had pumps that were missing the sticks, would be nice to have some refernce to what they look like. Richard

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#386268 - Tue Jan 15 2013 11:17 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: gatorgaspumps]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Here are a couple more not shown by Tim;

[Click on Thumbnail image for larger picture]


Edited by Dick Bennett (Tue Jan 15 2013 11:18 AM)
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#386442 - Tue Jan 15 2013 10:35 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Dick Bennett]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Can anyone ID this stick?
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#386445 - Tue Jan 15 2013 10:55 PM Are these Hayes Markers?
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I see Vics offers a gallon marker for a Hayes pump that looks just like these. I've never seen a Hayes with these. Can anyone confirm that these are Hayes markers?


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Unknown 9.jpg



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#386447 - Tue Jan 15 2013 11:03 PM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Now that I've posted this picture I actually see that there are 2 different types. The ones in the red boxes do not have a horizontal strip marking the exact point of measurement.


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Unknown 9 boxed.jpg



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#386453 - Tue Jan 15 2013 11:40 PM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: Tim Rohr]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
I have 2 sticks like the ones in red boarder & can defiantly see rub marks where there was the 1/2 washer type slider for accurate measuring.
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Rnd Can Re-lids


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#386460 - Wed Jan 16 2013 12:14 AM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
It looks like the horizontal markers are just held on by spring tension and could easily be lost if tossed around.

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#386496 - Wed Jan 16 2013 08:46 AM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: Tim Rohr]
Novaman Offline
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Registered: Tue Jan 14 2003
Loc: Ellensburg, WA
Tim, I have an Hayes Junior with the markers you are showing.

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#386498 - Wed Jan 16 2013 08:54 AM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: Novaman]
TeeTee Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 04 2004
Loc: MI
I have Hayes with same markers also.
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#386500 - Wed Jan 16 2013 08:56 AM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: TeeTee]
TeeTee Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 04 2004
Loc: MI
I should have mentioned that those little brass indicators(horizontal strips) don't seem to stay on very well...when I got my pump they were loose and falling off.
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#386572 - Wed Jan 16 2013 03:16 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Solid Brass Marker found in a fry but I don't think they were original. Numbers are cast onto a solid background.


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Found in a Fry Pump.jpg

Description: Found this solid Brass marker in a Fry pump.




Edited by Tim Rohr (Wed Jan 16 2013 03:16 PM)

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#386693 - Wed Jan 16 2013 10:22 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
My contribution.

These are out of my St. Louis 409. They are very fragile, less than 1/8" of thin aluminum where the number joins the part that goes to the rod. It used threaded rod with nuts above to position the numbers. I had to buy a second set to get enough good ones for my pump.

URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/stlouis.jpg/][/URL]

Jack Sim
jhsim@petrocollect.com
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#386696 - Wed Jan 16 2013 10:42 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Jack Sim]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks Jack. I was hoping you would contribute.

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#386913 - Fri Jan 18 2013 10:37 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Dick Bennett provided this picture and information. I have this set in my Dayton 100 pump but the cylinder is so dirty inside I have never been able to get a good look at the markers. Thanks Dick.


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Dayton.jpg



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#387285 - Sun Jan 20 2013 01:06 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another job well done by Dick Bennett.


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Wayne 490-491-492.jpg



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#388151 - Wed Jan 23 2013 10:54 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Can anyone identify the marker on the left? The square attachment rod is rounded on the end and the slots in the marker are longer than a Wayne. The attachment method to the rod is also quite different.


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Long - short slot 1.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Wed Jan 23 2013 10:55 AM)

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#388186 - Wed Jan 23 2013 12:50 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
Tim, you and those who have participated; are doing a great job with this thread!...

I didn't realize there were/are so many different styles of markers!
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#388212 - Wed Jan 23 2013 02:19 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Bob Richards]
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
The way you folks have them displayed on the pages... To me atleast they look like small pieces of art...

I wish they weren't so darn expensive; for the originals... LOL

I think displaying them side by side would be a great display... And really show the differences and the similarities in the different Manufacturer's Gallon Markers... ( But then again; I do march "not only to a different drummer, but one seldom heard by sane individuals"... LOL)
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#388256 - Wed Jan 23 2013 03:42 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Bob Richards]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Correct Measure 5 gallon;


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CORRECT MEASURE 5gal.jpg




Edited by Dick Bennett (Wed Jan 23 2013 03:46 PM)

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#389610 - Mon Jan 28 2013 09:37 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Found in a Tokheim 225


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Tokheim 225.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Mon Jan 28 2013 09:37 AM)

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#390889 - Fri Feb 01 2013 11:06 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Dick Bennett forwarded a number of Marker photos prepared by Dennis Maier of Az. he did an excellent job. Thanks Dennis and DB. The collection is starting to grow.


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` American - 15 gal.jpg



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#391547 - Mon Feb 04 2013 07:34 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another marker set. Thanks Dick Bennett & Dennis Maier.


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` BOWSER C110 Giant Sentry.jpg



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#391555 - Mon Feb 04 2013 08:22 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Oldgas Offline
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Loc: South of St. Louis, MO USA
Thanks so much to Tim, Dick and everyone helping. This is a great resource.
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#391786 - Tue Feb 05 2013 06:36 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another marker set. Thanks Dick Bennett & Dennis Maier.

If you have a marker set shown in this thread, please do a favor to you fellow collector and share it with them. "Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does."


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` BOWSER -Canada.jpg



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#392167 - Wed Feb 06 2013 09:36 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another marker set found in a Dayton 600. Thanks Dick Bennett & Dennis Maier.


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`DAYTON 600.jpg



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#392234 - Wed Feb 06 2013 02:08 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
gatorgaspumps Offline
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Registered: Mon Jun 07 2004
Loc: Walla Walla, WA USA
Tim, you guys are doing a great job on this thread. It will be a great reference for people that restore pumps. I encourage anyone out there with additional markers to contact Tim. Richard

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#392247 - Wed Feb 06 2013 03:38 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: gatorgaspumps]
junknjohn Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sat Dec 31 2005
Loc: Cedar Lake IN. USA
Descripton #22 appears to be the positive stop buttons from a Wayne 519

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#392298 - Wed Feb 06 2013 07:17 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: junknjohn]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks for the positive input Richard.

Can anyone else confirm that #22 are the positive stop buttons from a Wayne 519? I found a picture posted earlier on old gas of some 519 buttons and the shape is the same but there are some differences. My guess is you're right.


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Wayne 519.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Wed Feb 06 2013 07:27 PM)

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#392414 - Thu Feb 07 2013 09:13 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another marker set. Thanks Dick Bennett & Dennis Maier.


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`KEESEE 102-108.jpg



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#392711 - Fri Feb 08 2013 08:02 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another marker set. Thanks Dick Bennett & Dennis Maier.


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`GROETKEN 1921 5gal.jpg



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#394320 - Fri Feb 15 2013 11:03 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
rkmiller Offline
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Registered: Thu Jan 17 2013
Loc: Spring Hill, Kansas
# 34 looks exactly like my Gilbert and Barker type 67 model 7 10 gallon visible.

Etched aluminum disk with number and says gallons on a brass plate with points on either side on a steel exterior rod.

I can post photos of mine after work.
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#394321 - Fri Feb 15 2013 11:05 AM Re: Are these Hayes Markers? [Re: Dick Bennett]
rkmiller Offline
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Registered: Thu Jan 17 2013
Loc: Spring Hill, Kansas
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
Can anyone ID this stick?


Looks like my G and B model 7 type 67 10 gallon visible pump markers. - rkmiller73
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#394400 - Fri Feb 15 2013 04:15 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
99pete Offline
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Registered: Tue Jan 22 2013
Loc: Minn
No. 27 is identically to the Wayne 615 I just finished polishing

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#395455 - Tue Feb 19 2013 06:03 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I found this picture in a previous post on Oldgas of a 5 Gallon Groetken.


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GROETKEN 5 GALLON VISIBLE.jpg



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#395512 - Tue Feb 19 2013 09:52 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another example provided by Dick Bennett.


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FRY Tall 10.jpg



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#395791 - Wed Feb 20 2013 08:39 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Found in a Milwaukee Model 297.


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Milwaukee 297.jpg



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#395953 - Wed Feb 20 2013 08:19 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Found in a Milwaukee 298.


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Milwaukee 298.jpg



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#396231 - Thu Feb 21 2013 07:34 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another set found in a Milwaukee 297 & 299. These appear to be the same or similar to indicators found in a umber of other manufacturers such as American , Boyle Dayton and Doty pumps.


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Milwaukee 299.jpg



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#396310 - Fri Feb 22 2013 12:29 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
philmccauley Offline
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Registered: Thu Jul 26 2001
Loc: Bardstown, KY USA
Tim, this is a great gallery, wish I had something to post that has not already been. Thanks for doing it.
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Looking for any old pumps, or nice 5 gallon cans.

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#396469 - Fri Feb 22 2013 04:38 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: philmccauley]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks Phil. It's one of those projects that is fun but also frustrating. I wish I had a nice set of each one in front of me that I could measure, professionally photograph and provide more detailed information on. Maybe as more member attend swap meets, auctions, museums, private collections and shows they will take the time to snap some pictures and contribute to the cause.

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#396470 - Fri Feb 22 2013 04:41 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Unlike most bell shaped indicators, this one is upside down. Anyone know what pump it goes to?


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Unknown 2.jpg



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#396472 - Fri Feb 22 2013 04:51 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another set.


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Wayne Boyle Dayton.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Fri Feb 22 2013 04:57 PM)

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#396473 - Fri Feb 22 2013 04:53 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Another set.


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Keesee.jpg



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#396483 - Fri Feb 22 2013 05:25 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Dick Bennett Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Fancy KEESEE indicators. The combination oil & visible pump that was at Knotts Berry Farm for many years [was sold on ebay approx 5yrs ago] had these in it.
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http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p2/oldegaspump/AllCansMASTERTHUMBNAIL_zps4bfdbbc7.jpg
Rnd Can Re-lids


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#396502 - Fri Feb 22 2013 06:13 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Dick Bennett]
gatorgaspumps Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Mon Jun 07 2004
Loc: Walla Walla, WA USA
Tim It's hard to believe there are that many variations in the markers. I have learned alot. Richard

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#396563 - Fri Feb 22 2013 10:17 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: gatorgaspumps]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks Richard it your encouraging words along with help from Jack and Dick and others that keeps me going.

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#396568 - Fri Feb 22 2013 10:39 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Dick Bennett Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
I'm really surprised there hasn't been more participation to get this done Tim.
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#396569 - Fri Feb 22 2013 11:49 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Dick Bennett]
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I would love to add but the only ones I had are already posted. I may have some St. Louis 5 gallon to post. Great thread.
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#396723 - Sat Feb 23 2013 04:58 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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I always suspected this was a Tokheim indicator set but could not find any pictures of a visible pump with these in it. Today I found Patent #1727317 confirming this as a Tokheim Indicator.


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#397011 - Sun Feb 24 2013 06:18 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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I have confirmed that Unknown Picture #6 is in fact a Godshalk Indicator.


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#397310 - Mon Feb 25 2013 10:05 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Another Tokheim indicator. With the help of the Jack Sim's book and a magnifying glass I was able to identify seven models that this indicator was used in.


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#397590 - Wed Feb 27 2013 09:15 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
Can any of you Fry experts tell me if this Guarantee Measure Indicator patented in 1927 was actually used on any pump models?


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#397757 - Wed Feb 27 2013 11:34 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Thanks to Jerry (42packard) for providing these Indicator pictures from his rare Bryant Pump. Jerry took the time to do this while he was in the process of moving and setting stuff up at his new place. I appreciate it Jerry.


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Bryant 5.jpg

Bryant 6.jpg

Bryant 7.jpg

Bryant 4.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Thu Feb 28 2013 07:06 AM)

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#398391 - Sun Mar 03 2013 07:33 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
An indicator set like the one originally shown in photo # 12 is for sale on ebay for $225. ebay item # 321082878868, I am still looking for someone to identify the maker.


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#398406 - Sun Mar 03 2013 09:24 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
dundign Offline
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I beleive Bowser 111 markers

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#398412 - Sun Mar 03 2013 09:58 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
What pump uses this set of indicator tabs?


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#398817 - Mon Mar 04 2013 11:01 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
The indicators in the first photo have been identified as belonging to a Wayne Canadian 5 gallon pump. The indicators in the second photo are similar except they are from a 10 gallon pump and instead of having a "0" indicator they have a "FULL GALS" indicator. The 5 gallon markers are all brass whereas the 2nd set appears to be steel. Can anyone tell me if these are also from Canadian Waynes.


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Wayne 5 Gallon Canadian Visible.jpg

Unknown 21 a.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Mon Mar 04 2013 11:05 PM)

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#398825 - Tue Mar 05 2013 12:11 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tim Rohr
What pump uses this set of indicator tabs?

Tim,
Your post on 3-3-2013 #398412, were attached to cyl base casting of Tok. 600 series
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#398827 - Tue Mar 05 2013 12:39 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks Dick. I've been making so many withdrawals from his bank of knowledge, I'm going to be overdrawn.


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#398830 - Tue Mar 05 2013 01:11 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks again to Jerry (42packard) for providing these great Indicator pictures from his Fry 17 with a Wayne conversion. The appear to be the same as the indicators in photo #33 which have remained unidentified up till now.

Jerry sent me some additional Fry photos showing great detail of the Indicators. I'll get them posted tomorrow.


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#398831 - Tue Mar 05 2013 02:37 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
As I started researching Fry with Wayne conversions, I found very few photos, but the ones I did find, had the standard embossed Wayne indicator. The indicators in the previous post look similar to a southwest pump. Input anyone?

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#398916 - Tue Mar 05 2013 12:08 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
On post #397757 I said the strip should be inside the cylinder. I meant outside of the cylinder.


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#398932 - Tue Mar 05 2013 01:01 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Here are the Fry 117 pictures provided by Jerry (42packard).


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Fry Close Up 1.jpg

Fry 117 side view.jpg

Fry 117.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Tue Mar 05 2013 01:43 PM)

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#399309 - Wed Mar 06 2013 08:30 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Wayne 615 Gallon Indicator adjustment device.


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Wayne 615 Gallon Indicator Adjuster 2_edited-1.jpg



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#400324 - Sun Mar 10 2013 04:10 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
I'm still looking for picture of indicators to post. I haven't found any on the following:

Beacon
Beacon Equipment
Birmingham
Brown
Erie
Hawkeye Dart
Kew Ideal
Lancer
National
Pennsylvania
Progress
Rheem
Raymond
Royer
Shotwell
Springfield
United States
Visible
Volcker
Vonde
Western


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#400561 - Mon Mar 11 2013 10:14 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
These are the Indicators shown in the original Tokheim sales literature.


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Tokheim Collage 1.jpg

Tokheim Collage.jpg



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#400732 - Mon Mar 11 2013 09:55 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
Using original sales literature, I find only four different Indicators used by Wayne.


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Wayne Collage.jpg



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#401089 - Wed Mar 13 2013 06:31 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
I was lucky enough to find a picture of a pump, that most of us will never see in person. A "Vonde."


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Vonde.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Wed Mar 13 2013 06:54 AM)

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#401400 - Thu Mar 14 2013 08:31 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
The indicators on the left of the real photo were previously identified as being used on Dayton 300's & 400's. However if you look at the collage of Dayton Indicators, the indicators show Dayton 300's & 400's are square with the number centrally placed.

The photo of the Simplex shows an Indicator that is rectangular with what appears to be the gallon number on the left and and something on the right (presumably GAL written vertically.)

Are their any Dayton 300/400 or Simplex owners out there that can confirm the correct indicators for either pumps?


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Dayton Collage.jpg

Dayton or Simplex.jpg



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#401672 - Fri Mar 15 2013 09:40 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Below are the indicators used in 17 different models of Milwaukee Visible Pumps. Real photos would be more helpful but I've got to work with what I've got.

I am not positive that the real photo of the indicator identified as a 58-A is correct. DB provided it to me. He said the original owner said it came from a Fry Roman Column who thought it was an original setup. However after looking at original sales literature, I could not find any Fry indicators that looked like it, but did notice this very close resemblance to the Milwaukee 58-A.

As always any help that you can provide will be appreciated.


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Milwaukee Collage 1.jpg

Milwaukee Collage 2.jpg



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#401924 - Sat Mar 16 2013 09:52 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Below is a picture of Boyle Dayton Indicators from original sales literature. Neither picture shows the shield shape we often think of as being Boyle Dayton. I know different indicators could be installed by jobbers or by restorers using whatever set they had handy. After Wayne bought BD did they refurbish old pumps with the shield indicators?

I have also included a rhombus shape that was seen in a Fry Pump. They look similar to the BD 74 except for the holes. Does anyone have a Boyle Dayton 74 with the rhombus shape shown in the sales literature?


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Boyle Dayton Collage.jpg

Boyle Dayton 2.jpg

Frye.jpg



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#402182 - Sun Mar 17 2013 01:21 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I need a good picture of the indicators that fit the 5 gallon attachments for curb pumps, Bowser C-111 and C-81 models. From reviewing previous post I know a number of members own these models. Please help? Thanks.


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#402247 - Sun Mar 17 2013 07:17 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
re: 58-A
Originally Posted By: Tim
He said the original owner said it came from a Fry Roman Column

Nope, I said it was Early Wayne 490/491/492.
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#402434 - Mon Mar 18 2013 11:49 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Dick Bennett]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
My error. First one for 2013. I wish!

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#402451 - Mon Mar 18 2013 12:28 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
An Austin 040.


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#402697 - Tue Mar 19 2013 09:19 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
After finding other photos I believe the picture in post #396470 is another Canadian Wayne. Any Canadians out there to confirm this?


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#402786 - Tue Mar 19 2013 02:55 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Loc: Topeka, KS
Earlier I suggested that this marker closely resembled the the indicator used in a Milwaukee 58-A. While it does resemble it, upon closer examination of a blown up copy of original sales literature, I am convinced it is a Wayne marker. According to DB; "I've only heard & seen them in Early 491/492. Was Guessing they were in the 490."


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#402996 - Wed Mar 20 2013 09:01 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Updated Wayne picture.


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#402998 - Wed Mar 20 2013 09:03 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I have not been able to find any real photo examples from these two companies. The first picture is Beacon and the second is Beacon Equipment.


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Beacon Collage.jpg

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#403003 - Wed Mar 20 2013 09:43 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
An excellent example of an early cast iron Fry 17 showing the same indicators as used in other early Fry pumps. Thanks to DB for taking this photo.

This is a beautiful original pump with alligatored red, green and yellow paint.


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#403094 - Wed Mar 20 2013 07:23 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
National visible pump Indicators.
Even though the indicators look different in each picture I think they might all be the same. The picture of the single is a Dayton indicator which appears to be the same style as the National. I don't know if the National uses the same style spring tension for mounting.


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National Collage.jpg

National Single.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Wed Mar 20 2013 07:29 PM)

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#403493 - Fri Mar 22 2013 07:21 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Fleckenstein.


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#403844 - Sat Mar 23 2013 10:43 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Well, I've done the best I could but I'm not positive that everything I have here is correct and welcome any corrections. I've seen photos with about every imaginable indicator, installed inside and outside. Enjoy.


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maewest.jpg

Final Fry Spreadsheet.jpg

Fry Collage.jpg

Fry Mounting Collage.jpg



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#403848 - Sat Mar 23 2013 10:48 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
This photo was labeled as a Fry Cylinder. Can anyone confirm it? 5 or 10 Gallon?


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#404115 - Sun Mar 24 2013 11:35 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
American Indicators.


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#404178 - Sun Mar 24 2013 03:34 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Again I need your help. I'm trying to determine which pumps these round indicators belong to. Can you help?

I have also included a picture from original G&B sales literature, which shows that early 176's had a round indicator. Can anyone confirm that indicator #4 is from an early 176?


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#404363 - Mon Mar 25 2013 09:43 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Correct Measure indicators.


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Correct Measure Indicators.jpg

Correct Measure Patents.jpg



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#404525 - Mon Mar 25 2013 09:56 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Birmingham. Not a pump you will likely encounter and I couldn't find a real picture. This was the only pump advertised by the company.


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#404668 - Tue Mar 26 2013 12:11 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The Kew-Ideal pumps appear to have used etched Cylinders.

Did you ever notice the resemblance between the Kew-Ideal pump and the Springfield Pump. They both used etched cylinders, have the same type of access door, same bottom cylinder plate, the same unique body shape and were manufactured only 100 miles from each other and within one year of each other.

The bottom picture is a Springfield pump sporting the same Bonnet as the real photo of the Kew-Ideal(not the same as shown in the sales literature). I have also included a photo of my Springfield Cylinder which is different in design compared to the Kew-Ideal sales literature, however the sales literature doesn't always accurately reflect the final product.

Jack do you know if there was a connection?


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Kew Ideal Collage.jpg

Kew Ideal COLLAGE 2.jpg

Springfield.jpg

Springfield Pump.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Tue Mar 26 2013 01:41 PM)

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#405097 - Wed Mar 27 2013 01:11 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Groetken Indicators.


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#405239 - Wed Mar 27 2013 09:22 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Cast Indicators. If you can identify any of the indicators marked unknown or if you have cast indicators not shown, please let me know.


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Cast Collage 1.jpg

Cast Collage 2.jpg

Cast Collage 3.jpg



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#405356 - Thu Mar 28 2013 09:06 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Southwest Pump.


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#405393 - Thu Mar 28 2013 12:04 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
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Thanx for all your hard work on this Tim. It's amazing what your doing!
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#405544 - Thu Mar 28 2013 09:57 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Some examples of arrow shaped Indicators.


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Arrow Shaped Collage 1.jpg

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#405550 - Thu Mar 28 2013 10:10 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Toby Martinez just posted these indicators which were found in his Martin Schwartz Pump (Post #405373). These are the same as used in American pumps and is not known if they are original to the pump.


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#405570 - Fri Mar 29 2013 12:53 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
Tim,
You asked about the possible connection between Kew-Ideal and Springfield. Which Springfield are you asking about?

Jack
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#405601 - Fri Mar 29 2013 07:56 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Jack Sim]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Any of the Springfield 200's. I posted a picture of a Springfield in post #404668. I should have labeled it. You used a picture of my Springfield in your first Book.

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#405603 - Fri Mar 29 2013 08:17 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The Bennett 810 indicator is very similar to the Gilbert and Barker indicator. The rivets on the G&B indicator are within the square, the Bennetts are outside of the square. The top edge of the meniscus line slope on the Bennett 810 but on the G&B the top edge is parallel to the bottom edge.


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#405764 - Fri Mar 29 2013 08:16 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Brown visible.


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#405803 - Fri Mar 29 2013 10:36 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Jack Sim Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
What I meant by which Springfield was the Illiniois or the Tennessee Springfield. The reason I asked is that Mackensie had something to do with the Illinois Springfield.

Jack Sim
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#405862 - Sat Mar 30 2013 09:37 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
St Louis Pumps.


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#406104 - Sun Mar 31 2013 09:28 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Etched cylinders.


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Etched Cylinder Collage 1.jpg

Etched Cylinder Collage 2.jpg

Etched Cylinder Collage 3.jpg

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#406570 - Mon Apr 01 2013 07:50 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Wayne indicators including Wayne models made by Boyle Dayton Division of Wayne Pump & Tanks Co. of Los Angeles CA and Canadian Wayne indicators.


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Wayne Collage 2.jpg

Wayne Collage 3.jpg

Wayne Canadian Collage.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Mon Apr 01 2013 09:59 PM)

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#406616 - Mon Apr 01 2013 09:52 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The pump in reply #406403 is most likely a fantasy pump, possibly by the Benkin Co.

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#406660 - Tue Apr 02 2013 07:25 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I have been unable to find any real photos of the indicators used by these companies.


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United States Pump Corp. Collage.jpg

Volcker Collage.jpg

The Visible Pump Co Collage.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Tue Apr 02 2013 07:28 AM)

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#406752 - Tue Apr 02 2013 01:05 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Western Visible had at 5, 10 & 15 gallon models in either hand operated or air operated. It appeared they all used an etched cylinder.


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#406887 - Tue Apr 02 2013 11:30 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Not a pump that any of us or likely to see. A Wisconsin Pump.


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#406924 - Wed Apr 03 2013 09:35 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
In post #401924, I indicated that even though the Boyle Dayton sales literature showed an arrow type of indicator that I never have found any picture of a BD with anything other than the shield shape we are all familiar with. I finally found an old photo.


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Boyle Dayton Arrow Markers.jpg

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#407005 - Wed Apr 03 2013 05:21 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
It's hard to tell from the original sales literature if Clear Vision used a number strip. All the clear Visions I have seen used only an etched cylinder like the one in the picture.


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#407233 - Thu Apr 04 2013 07:40 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The Royer pump used etched cylinders.


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#407320 - Fri Apr 05 2013 09:00 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The Ottawa pump used etched Cylinders.


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#407371 - Fri Apr 05 2013 02:37 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Below is a list of pump that from photos and sales literature appeared to use etched cylinders. Some were apparently available with indicators or etched cylinders.


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Etched Cylinders 1.jpg

Etched Cylinders 2.jpg

Etched Cylinders 3.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Fri Apr 05 2013 02:41 PM)

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#407467 - Sat Apr 06 2013 08:08 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Sales literature show the Doty with etched cylinders however I've seen pictures of Doty's with an American style indicator in them. Any out there with a Doty who can contribute a picture?


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#407632 - Sat Apr 06 2013 11:46 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
GILMORE Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 15 2007
Loc: Lake of the Ozarks, MO
Appreciate the work you've done, Tim. I've enjoyed following the thread.

I meant to post these photos awhile ago, but never got around to it... was wondering if you've seen these markers before? Not sure what the pump make is either. In the photo with the two pumps, only the NAVY has these markers.






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#407634 - Sun Apr 07 2013 12:04 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Awesome photos!!! On 3-13-2013 I posted the patent for this indicator under the heading of Indicator ideas that didn't survive. I also said "Below are some patents pictures of Indicators that probably were never put into production". Boy was I wrong.

Thanks for following the thread.


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#407644 - Sun Apr 07 2013 12:45 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
GILMORE Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 15 2007
Loc: Lake of the Ozarks, MO
Interesting!... I hadn't seen that thread. I searched a bit for that patent on Google but didn't see it yet. Do you remember what it was listed under?
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#407648 - Sun Apr 07 2013 12:56 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: GILMORE]
Bob Richards Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 22 2005
Loc: Longview, WA
Tim and anyone else who have contributed to this thread... Thank you very much!

I've owned a few visibles, but do I admit that they pretty much looked the same to me... Thanks to all that have contributed. I can now see some of the different nuances that "jump out" to you that are Pump Collectors....

I've learned quite a bit by following along.... Of course, I have so much more to learn...
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#407722 - Sun Apr 07 2013 11:36 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Bob Richards]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Patent # US 1908202 assigned to the American Liquid Meter Company in Alhambra California.

Where did you find the photo's at?

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#407756 - Sun Apr 07 2013 02:25 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The illustration on the right shows an indicator shaped exactly like the real photos on the right. The real photos were previously listed as an unidentified cast indicator. I can't say for sure that they are from a Progress pump but until someone steps up with a real photo of their Progress indicator this is the best I can do.


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#407956 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:00 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Butler is very simple in the fact that most of the pumps used only one style of indicator. It is belle shaped like so many other pump use but has a unique opening right below the stamped number. It's shaped like a flying saucer with an additional two small holes in the fold close to the edge.


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BUTLER Collage.jpg

Butler Flying Saucer.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Mon Apr 08 2013 07:00 AM)

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#407957 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:05 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I could not find any Real photo's of an Erie Indicator so you'll have to settle on an illustration, which we have learned are not always accurate. In fact sometimes they aren't even close. From the illustration they look like the indicator commonly found in a G&B T-176 but with a more rounded top.


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#407959 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:09 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I couldn't find any real photos of Lancer indicators and the illustration is almost useless. Hopefully a Lancer owner will step forward and provide a picture.


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#407960 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:15 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
National Stores. It's hard to tell from the illustration whether the pump has an indicator or an etched cylinder.


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#407961 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:17 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Rheem. Only one model is known. The indicator looks like the indicator commonly found in a G&B T-176.


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Rheem.jpg

Description: Rheem




Edited by Tim Rohr (Mon Apr 08 2013 07:19 AM)

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#407963 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:21 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Used on all Safety Steel models.


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Safety Steel Collage.jpg

Description: Safety Steel



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#408103 - Mon Apr 08 2013 07:11 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
GILMORE Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 15 2007
Loc: Lake of the Ozarks, MO
Originally Posted By: Tim Rohr
Patent # US 1908202 assigned to the American Liquid Meter Company in Alhambra California.


Thanks, found the patent file.

I wondered why it had all the adjustable grooves on the one side. Now I know the reason. Wonder how well it worked?
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#408137 - Mon Apr 08 2013 08:45 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Dayton Indicators. I could not find an actual photo of a 400 or 450 pump to confirm that this is the correct indicator.


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Dayton.jpg

Dayton 1.jpg



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#408234 - Tue Apr 09 2013 01:46 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
At least four companies used the shield shaped indicators; American, Boyle-Dayton, Doty and Milwaukee. American, Doty and Milwaukee all used the same style with two rivets through the face holding on the tension clamp and meniscus line which were all one piece.

American
used it on several of it's models.

Doty sales literature only showed etched cylinders but almost all photos I've seen of Doty's have the shield. This doesn't mean they were original to the pump.

Milwaukee had it's own unique shaped indicator but for some reason used the shield on it's 297 & 299 model.

Boyle Dayton used the shield but did not use the spring tension to hold the indicator to the rod. It had its own style of clamp, tightened by a screw to the rod. It's design eliminated the need for rivets through the face.


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Shield Shape.jpg

Shield Shape BD.jpg

Doty Photo Collage.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Tue Apr 09 2013 02:46 PM)

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#408388 - Wed Apr 10 2013 08:59 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Hawkeye-Dart. This is the best I could come up with.


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#408553 - Wed Apr 10 2013 09:39 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Below are two pictures. One features Keesee and the other shows an indicator previously identified as a Keesee.
I'm convinced now that the second set are actually Boyle-Dayton indicators as shown in my post #401924

The Keesee factory and the Boyle-Dayton factory were both located in southern California. Because of the similarity in the clock style arrow indicators I'm assuming some Keesee pump owners in need of a replacement indicator used the Boyle-Dayton indicators which would have been readily available in the market areas.


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Keesee Collage.jpg

Boyle Dayton Arrow Markers.jpg




Edited by Tim Rohr (Wed Apr 10 2013 09:40 PM)

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#408627 - Thu Apr 11 2013 08:20 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
The "Short Bell" indicator was used by more than one company.


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#408640 - Thu Apr 11 2013 08:55 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
A few companies used markers that did not have the traditional indicators that could be adjusted by sliding them up or down on a rod or bar.


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#408700 - Thu Apr 11 2013 01:04 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I am down to the last company, Gilbert and Barker. I've already shown some pictures of sales literature as well as some photos and an appeal for input. Unfortunately there was no input and I do not know for sure what was used when, and on what model. Following are a total of 9 photos to help you. These are the models that need to be identified:

67 - 10 Gallon - Possibly Identified
T-176 1925 Version 1
T-176 Square Version
T-176 1926 Version 2
T-176 1928 Version 3
T-177 1925 Adj. Stops
T-178 1926
T-179 1927 Mechanical Measure


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Round.jpg

Round 1.jpg

Round 2.jpg

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#408702 - Thu Apr 11 2013 01:05 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
More potential G&B indicators.


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Round 4.jpg

Round 5.jpg

Round 6.jpg

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#408704 - Thu Apr 11 2013 01:07 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
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Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Did G&B used painted and raised numbers? Any particular models or year?


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#408749 - Thu Apr 11 2013 04:53 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Jim O Offline
Member

Registered: Sun Mar 17 2013
Loc: Delano,MN
Tim,here's a couple photos of gallon markers on a Dayton 300. I'll try to get some better shots in the near future.


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IMG_1265.JPG

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#408757 - Thu Apr 11 2013 05:04 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Jim O]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Thanks Jim. I guess I wasn't expecting an etched cylinder. Good Photo. It appears the pump has the same markers as used on the Dayton 100.

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#408868 - Fri Apr 12 2013 07:04 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
Wayne Boyle/Dayton alongside a Keesee.


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#409656 - Mon Apr 15 2013 11:28 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I thought G&B would be one of the easiest indicators to define but have found it to be the most difficult. They used quite a variety of shapes and styles and I see the same kind in a lot of different models. I know that jobbers, owners and restorers alike, would often use whatever is at hand, but G&B seems to be the worst at trying to determine any kind of consistency. This even applies when looking at old photos, sales literature and pumps that look "original".

I'll throw this theory on the wall and see if it sticks. When G&B came out with a new model they would also come out with a new indicator style. Not only the new model would have the new Indicator style but all other models in production would have the new indicators installed as soon as there existing inventory had depleted.

Now the challenge: Using the number under the indicators in the picture below, place them in order from oldest to newest. Example: ( 1,2,5,6,4,3)


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#410617 - Fri Apr 19 2013 09:07 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I was finally able to obtain a clear photo of the back of a rivetless shield indicator showing it's mounting method.


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Shield 1.jpg

Shield 2.jpg

Shield 3.jpg

Shield 4.jpg



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#412723 - Sun Apr 28 2013 11:03 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
I spotted this nice Martin & Schwartz F100 visible at the Pate swap meet with the shield shaped indicators


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#413515 - Wed May 01 2013 08:41 PM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tbirdgas Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Sun Aug 12 2012
Loc: Wa
I bought M & S visible above, anyone know it that is the right top and #'s??


Edited by Tbirdgas (Wed May 01 2013 09:06 PM)

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#424756 - Sun Jun 23 2013 11:20 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Tim Rohr Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Tue Sep 25 2001
Loc: Topeka, KS
In reply #406752 I indicated that Western Visible probably used an etched cylinder. In further research I found they used "Decalcomania", which is a fancy french word for a decal.

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#580747 - Mon Nov 17 2014 06:16 AM Re: Help identify Visible Gas Pump Gallon Markers [Re: Tim Rohr]
Boxcar Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Aug 29 2010
Loc: Florida
Killer reference thread.. Thanks all for the contributions.

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