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#39152 Thu Dec 08 2005 07:01 PM
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on one of my pumps it seems that water got into the switch thru the top socket.needless to say its pretty corroded.any tricks to getting these off and rewiring the lights?i know once i get involved in it ill have to remove all the socket screws to hook up the new wires.dont want to trust that old cloth wire!thanks mick


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OUR LOCAL HARDWARE STORE HAS PORCELIN LIGHT SOCKETS WITH PIPE THREADS.ITS JUST 1/2 PIPE VERY INEXPENSIVE SOMETIMES I WILL JUST BUY NEW TO SAVE THE HASSLE OF USEING ALL THE OLD
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The sockets are screwed on to a metal flange and the flange is screwed to piping and inside all the piping is some black stuff that looks like glass. You can heat the pipes with a torch or mapp gas and this stuff will pour out... don't breathe it! Then you can run new wiring and sockets and switches and your back in business. Lowes or Home depot sells the sockets.


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I THINK THAT HARD BLACK STUFF IS JUST TAR OR SOMETHING LIKE IT. TAR AND MOLASSES? IT DEF STINKS WHEN YOU HEAT IT UP!

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hey guys,
i rewire all of mine, and JJ and DOC have it right. i break the porceline off the end and soak the screws with PB PLASTER or some sort of other oil, then i just unscrew em. put new sockets and wiring in it and use the same switch. and yes that black stuff is a mess too. but if you heat it like JJ said, it melts right out and you can feed new lamp wire or bigger if it's an outside pump, right thought. and your back in business. just look at the light sockets, there are a few different kind. i get my wire from lowe's and my sockets from home depot. the home depot sockets have shorter screws. and on some of the pumps, the long ones will bottom out before they get tight. so i just buy a box at a time from home depot. lowe's has a better selection of wire colors....LOL i'm kind of picky when i wire em...i hate to have brown cord, with a black base, when i can have black wire with a black base....whats wrong with me?....LOL
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Doesn't that black stuff contain PCB's? You know, one of the worst carcinogens????


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thanks all!won't get to it for a couple days,but now i know what to expect.doesn't sound too bad.also i didn't think i would get those sockets out without bustin em.have a great weekend!mick


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I've been contacted by an Oldgas.com enthusiast who is a pro electrician. He said to warn everyone that that black stuff in the wiring gives off dangerous fumes and shouldn't be heated if you value your health. Even if it doesn't get you right away, it will accumulate and make you sick later. Be careful.

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JIM:

I WANT EVERYONE HERE ON OLDGAS TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT 100% SURE WHAT THE BLACK TAR IS. BUT I WANT YOU GUYS TO TREAT THIS STUFF WITH RESPECT. IF IT'S THE SAME STUFF THAT THEY USE TO PUT IN THE BALLASTS OF FLORESCENT FIXTURES, IT CONTAINS PCBS. YOU DO NOT WANT THIS ON YOUR SKIN OR TOO BREATH IT. I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE SAFE AND ENJOY YOUR PUMPS FOR YEARS TO COME... HOPE THIS HELPS.

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EXTREMELY GREAT INFORMATION! NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THAT STUFF WAS, BUT NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT, IT DEF RESEMBLES THE SAME STUFF THAT'S INSIDE A BALLAST OR A TRANSFORMER ON A TELEPHONE POLE. BE CAREFUL. DON'T HEAT IT UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT'LL GIVE OFF FUMES. BEST ACTION IS TO WORK WITH IT COLD OR LEAVE IT ALONE ALTOGETHER.

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OK....what kind of "SICK"? i have done alot of em that way....now i'm a little worried.
long term sick, or woozy not feeling well sick?
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Sick as in a cumulative effect that can lead to cancer. The stuff in question is called "potting" and was used to waterproof and insulate old-school electronics. It was used in transformers, as Doc said, as well as ballasts, some types of capacitors, etc. It's been replaced by a modern substitute that is PCB-free. (You'll see modern transformers advertised as "Non-PCB." It's the PCB component that is to be avoided at all costs.

I would take out the tubes in question and replace them, rather than boiling out the potting. It would definitely be adviseable to work with the stuff cold, and with gloves.

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The "tar" material was used to keep the wiring explosion proof. Sometimes you can chisel it out. As far as heating it, just use caution. I've heated it and pulled it out in chunks. It has to come out if you are re-using the conduit and boxes.

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Yes i was told it was bad for you. I heated mine out side with my back to the wind so the fumes will go away from me.
I know i have done worse things than that to myself. LOL

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The porcelain sockets with the 1/2" threaded base is a Leviton 10051. Any electrical supply can order them for you if they don't stock them. They come in boxes of 10 and cost way less than the 6.00 each you normally see them advertized for. If you do a lot of pumps, 10 doesn't go far.

For removing the tar like stuff from the conduit, I usually heat it enough to pull the wires out and let it cool. Then use a 1/2" drill to cut it out. Wear a mask because it makes dust which is probably as bad as the fumes. For those curved or tight areas where the drill won't reach. Heat is about the quickest and easiest. Just do it outdoors. And catch the drippings in a metal can so you can dispose of them.

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