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#422382 - Thu Jun 13 2013 02:23 PM Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay...
gulfiend! Offline
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#422385 - Thu Jun 13 2013 02:30 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: gulfiend!]
Tankar Online   content
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Registered: Thu Oct 30 2008
Loc: MN United States
Geeeeez They even have the balls to put a reserve on it.

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#422394 - Thu Jun 13 2013 03:32 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: Tankar]
jrsironworks Offline
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Registered: Sat Sep 17 2011
Loc: Wichita, Kansas
I bought a pump awhile back that had that same globe on it. The guy I bought it from told me it was an unmarked reproduction he got from Vics in the 80s

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#422395 - Thu Jun 13 2013 03:52 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: gulfiend!]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
[quote=gulfiend!]...already up to $500???

looks like a trap!.. cool
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#422401 - Thu Jun 13 2013 04:23 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: advertologist]
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
i agree, looks like a trap however i think we can take care of that...

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#422438 - Thu Jun 13 2013 05:26 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: roadrelics]
Tankar Online   content
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Registered: Thu Oct 30 2008
Loc: MN United States
yeah next bid owns it.

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#422440 - Thu Jun 13 2013 05:29 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: Tankar]
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
hopefully it will be gone before that happens

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#422584 - Thu Jun 13 2013 11:16 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: roadrelics]
Pegasus Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 22 2003
Loc: DFW metro area
Did you notice the spelling error? "lolli-poop" would be a more accurate description.............

Richard

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#422602 - Fri Jun 14 2013 04:39 AM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: Pegasus]
JimT Online   content
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Registered: Fri Dec 06 2002
Loc: Cleveland,Ohio U.S.A.
Or LOL-repop

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#422681 - Fri Jun 14 2013 12:06 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: gulfiend!]
hawkike Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 09 2006
Loc: citrus heights ca.95610
I contacted the seller,here is his reply."Here is what i can tell you about the globe.I have owned it for approx.20 years it came with a visible pump i purchased.The previous owner acquired it the same way and owned it for approx.10 years ago.He purchased it from an old farm on the same pump.I have discussed the globe with a local Mobil collector and he tells me Mobil did did use this style 1 piece globe,and he has a similiar one in his collection.I have not seen this globe for sale in any of the catalogs i have seen through the years nor have i seen it at a swap meet or on e-bay.Thank you for noticing my feed back.I have worked hard to keep and maintain my rating through accurate descriptions,fast secure shipping and reasonable shipping charges and good customer communication." He was not familiar with OLDGAS.COM but he is now and has read the posts.I have no idea if this globe is the genuine thing but feel the seller should have the opportunity to explain his position,which he has done.Check his feed back!


Edited by hawkike (Fri Jun 14 2013 12:07 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling

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#422682 - Fri Jun 14 2013 12:14 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: hawkike]
eshaver Offline
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Registered: Mon Sep 29 2008
Loc: richmond , Virginia
O K , I'll give him the benefit of doubt. I think the thing to do is wait an see what happens now . Ed Shaver
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#422684 - Fri Jun 14 2013 12:20 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: eshaver]
hawkike Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 09 2006
Loc: citrus heights ca.95610
Originally Posted By: eshaver
O K , I'll give him the benefit of doubt. I think the thing to do is wait an see what happens now . Ed Shaver

Thanks Ed.Interesting to see how it plays out.I know Shell made a one piece globe that was very similiar to the Mobil,

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#423088 - Sun Jun 16 2013 08:52 AM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: hawkike]
Texacopumpdog Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 08 2012
Loc: Bristol va
Please give us some info .Why do you guys think this globe if fake .I am sure that you know what you are talking about ,but many of us are trying to learn from you old timers .If you just say it's fake and not say why -we do not learn anything .We need specific details .If I had seen this globe at a show I would have assumed that it was real .However I don't buy anything that is breakable ,so I would not have bought it .Thanks in advance for your wisdom.Billy

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#423097 - Sun Jun 16 2013 09:30 AM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: Texacopumpdog]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
Originally Posted By: Texacopumpdog
Please give us some info .Why do you guys think this globe if fake .I am sure that you know what you are talking about ,but many of us are trying to learn from you old timers .If you just say it's fake and not say why -we do not learn anything .We need specific details .If I had seen this globe at a show I would have assumed that it was real .However I don't buy anything that is breakable ,so I would not have bought it .Thanks in advance for your wisdom.Billy


Well for starts there has never been a recorded instance of this globe being produced. Also the colors are wrong for Mobilgas and the horse looks horrible. Also there is no wear are all. Even NOS globes have some wear from being moved around. Also the milk glass Is way to white. There should be a tad bit of yellowing and the bottom should show some use/rust color on it from the pumps globe holder ring.


Edited by mcguffeyd1 (Sun Jun 16 2013 10:47 AM)
Edit Reason: cant spell lol
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#423117 - Sun Jun 16 2013 11:39 AM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: mcguffeyd1]
Jolly-John Online   content
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Registered: Tue Jul 10 2007
Loc: Plover, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
This is a perfect example of how unmarked reproductions, produced YEARS ago, "hurt" the hobby today. The seller has a good history of origin now spanning two previous owners and 30 years of time. And, we can even throw in the authentication by one local Mobil "collector". Heck, this globe must be real....right?

Many of us currently in our sixties probably won't be around to see it, but just imagine the problems the recent FLOOD of unmarked gas/oil repros (signs and globes) will cause 20 to 30 years in the future. They are now being turned out in such volumes. Of course, many repros being re-sold years from now could come with the "documentation" that the item has been in a collection or collections for nearly 30 years!

If we think it is buyer beware in our hobby now, just imagine the not too distant future. As others have noted, the growing uncertainty about the originality of items is sure to discourage some new collectors from entering this hobby of ours.

I know my comments aren't bringing anything new to many of you. However, the reality of future problems somehow became much clearer to me, after I read the detailed, justification response the eBay seller sent back to Hawkike. John


Edited by Jolly-John (Sun Jun 16 2013 11:42 AM)

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#423123 - Sun Jun 16 2013 12:04 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: mcguffeyd1]
DWSheffer Online   content
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Registered: Thu Sep 20 2007
Loc: Hillsdale, Michigan
A very basic point Billy, in the line of globe collecting, is that almost all one piece globes were originally produced from 1931 and before. (generic Shell clams and most Standard crowns are not in the rare category like most of the 1931 and before one piece globes)
The Pegasus logo, used in conjunction with the Mobilgas name and design as depicted on this JUNK globe in question, dates to 1934. I think these two basic points are enough to make an informed decision on this globe. wink
Socony-Vacuum was a very large company, making the Mobilgas and Mobilgas Special globes some of the most plentiful and commonly available in the hobby. I would readily make a bet that if this globe design was ever originally produced in the early 1930's, it would certainly be documented and several examples would probably exist in the collections of well known rare globe collectors today, which it does not.
Darin
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#423134 - Sun Jun 16 2013 12:54 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: DWSheffer]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
As Darrin said the pegasus is post-34.
The globes before looked like these.

AND

And the Progressive which i dont have with the red and white lines.



So no peggy on those
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#423224 - Sun Jun 16 2013 07:27 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: mcguffeyd1]
Tankar Online   content
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Registered: Thu Oct 30 2008
Loc: MN United States
Well some new collector just got ripped. What a shame.

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#423227 - Sun Jun 16 2013 07:31 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: Tankar]
mcguffeyd1 Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 19 2012
Loc: Cincinnati
Originally Posted By: Tankar
Well some new collector just got ripped. What a shame.


Heck it could have been an old collector thinking they have never seen that item and had to have it!!!

We will see if it shows up in the BOTW!!!!

$656 PLUS shipping has to be hard to grasp when they find it is FAKE!
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#423263 - Sun Jun 16 2013 08:44 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: mcguffeyd1]
hawkike Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 09 2006
Loc: citrus heights ca.95610
Some one posted earlier that it could have came from Vic's in the 80's.If so would there not be a record of it some where in the archives?

i still do not know if it is fake or not,one of the reasons i contacted the seller and posted his reply is this---a no. of years ago i posted a Signal pump plate for sale on this site and immeditely an old gas member was on me like a duck on a june bug accusing me of knowing it was fake and yada yada.well in fact it was not a repop and i knew that,no doubt the ranting put doubt in some peoples mind about bidding on it.even D.B. came out of his hole and verified it as being authentic,also Roach.It did sell after a time but my point, unless you can prove it is fake put up or shut up!I do not see the proof on the Mobil yet.I have also learned to never say never.Hell,i just said it.
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#423269 - Sun Jun 16 2013 08:57 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: hawkike]
LOWright Offline
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Registered: Fri Feb 19 2010
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
Globe was made about 15 years ago by Petroleum Artifacts which i think is out of business now.They were marked just inside the base hole with a ink stamp ---- of 100.
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#423316 - Sun Jun 16 2013 11:04 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: hawkike]
Pegasus Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 22 2003
Loc: DFW metro area
Hey Frank, I see your point. "Proving" something to be a fake is often difficult. I will say this.....I wouldn't have that globe in my collection if you gave it me and paid the shipping....for whatever that's worth. Why? Because I "believe" it to be a fake and I don't knowingly add fakes to the collection.


Richard

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#423321 - Sun Jun 16 2013 11:33 PM Re: Fake one-piece Mobilgas globe on eBay... [Re: Pegasus]
hawkike Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 09 2006
Loc: citrus heights ca.95610
Originally Posted By: Pegasus
Hey Frank, I see your point. "Proving" something to be a fake is often difficult. I will say this.....I wouldn't have that globe in my collection if you gave it me and paid the shipping....for whatever that's worth. Why? Because I "believe" it to be a fake and I don't knowingly add fakes to the collection.

Good answer!
Richard
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