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#425263 - Mon Jun 24 2013 10:51 PM Shell Kerosene Flange
Iceman Offline
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Registered: Wed May 13 2009
Loc: South Central Kentucky
So here is another one...ebay #380662776907...Is it "real"?...note the paper stuck to sign...could it be NOS?

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#425264 - Mon Jun 24 2013 10:54 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Iceman]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
does it say anything on the flange?.. cool
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#425269 - Mon Jun 24 2013 11:27 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: advertologist]
Neil Gerrard Offline
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Registered: Tue Dec 09 2003
Loc: Canby, Oregon
looks like one of treasurerays

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#425281 - Tue Jun 25 2013 05:11 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Neil Gerrard]
JOSBORN Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Apr 25 2008
Loc: Plainfield Il. US
REPOP!

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#425372 - Tue Jun 25 2013 03:06 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Neil Gerrard]
eshaver Offline
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Registered: Mon Sep 29 2008
Loc: richmond , Virginia
Originally Posted By: Neil Gerrard
looks like one of treasurerays



An serving up hundreds more every day !!!!!!!!

Ed Shaver
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#425451 - Tue Jun 25 2013 07:35 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: eshaver]
Iceman Offline
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Registered: Wed May 13 2009
Loc: South Central Kentucky
What about the paper stuck to it (as if stacked together for a very long time)?

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#425519 - Tue Jun 25 2013 11:35 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Iceman]
Dave's Garage Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 05 2011
Loc: Abbotsford, British Columbia, ...
That's a repop.

Why are you so convinced by the paper? How hard is it to get brown packing paper to stick to a sign. Much easier then chipping and rusting repro porcelain signs.
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#426165 - Sat Jun 29 2013 06:56 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dave's Garage]
Gaspedler Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Feb 04 2001
Loc: Lebanon, Indiana. USA
Shell experts.
Is this a true "repop" of an original sign or a total "Fantasy" piece, never existed?


Many of treasurerays are total fantasy.
Fantasy pieces are an easier target for company lawyers to go after as a registered trademark violation, if you report them.
Report them to the company advertising department and let them take it from there. A one time piece for personal use they won't go after but mass producing them they might.
Chuck

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#426216 - Sat Jun 29 2013 01:05 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Gaspedler]
hawkike Online   content
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Registered: Sat Dec 09 2006
Loc: citrus heights ca.95610
Chuck,I suspect it is a repop of an original.This is the GOOD one,a 12 inch porcelain.

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#426221 - Sat Jun 29 2013 01:25 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: hawkike]
hawkike Online   content
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Registered: Sat Dec 09 2006
Loc: citrus heights ca.95610
The sign in question is sitting on $416.00 with 7 hours to go.IF--it is an original i would think it would go for a lot more than that.

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#426226 - Sat Jun 29 2013 02:01 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: hawkike]
K W FRITH Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
The one on ebay is painted tin and they are very well done. I can neither confirm the originality of it, or confirm that its a reproduction---BUT I do know that this came up a few years ago, and it was confirmed that there were several that were made and after that time, a lot of NOS ones seemed to turn up everywhere? Too bad because it sure casts a cloud over this particular sign??
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#426232 - Sat Jun 29 2013 03:00 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Iceman]
Jerry Westfield Offline
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Registered: Sun Mar 17 2013
Loc: Orlando Florida
Originally Posted By: 65stang
So here is another one...ebay #380662776907...Is it "real"?...note the paper stuck to sign...could it be NOS?


OK, I just want to get right to the point here on the topic of this Shell Kerosene Flange Sign. It may be a real shock to many of you that the seller of eBay auction #380662776907 is a member here on old gas. The seller recently wrote an very well written open letter to the member's of old gas telling us how is would never sale a questionable sign. The seller of the Shell sign in question on eBay seller "Petrowacker". Petrowacker is from Elmwood Park, NJ. WOW, is that not the same city that Redhotrelics lives in? Wow, look at some of the photos from both sellers. Is that his twin brother? They must live on the same street. Check out Redhotrelics auction #281126532946 for the 1920's V3 Cola sign. Then take a look at Petrowackers auction #380658651971 for the Bloomfield Ave Sign. Same guy in the photo, and same yellow house in the background. The white house next to the yellow house in both auctions have the same green cone bush next to the house. I also noticed that Redhotrecics posted positive feedback as a buyer from one of the biggest repop sign makers in India "Stencilworks" on May 23, 2013. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#426236 - Sat Jun 29 2013 03:13 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Jerry Westfield]
texacokie Offline
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Registered: Sun Jun 19 2011
Loc: Oklahoma
Yeah one in the same.
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#426250 - Sat Jun 29 2013 04:26 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Jerry Westfield]
advertologist Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 07 2007
Loc: So. Ca.
Same guy in the photo, and same yellow house in the background. The white house next to the yellow house in both auctions have the same green cone bush next to the house. I also noticed that Redhotrecics posted positive feedback as a buyer from one of the biggest repop sign makers in India "Stencilworks" on May 23, 2013. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]

good detective work.. cool
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#426280 - Sat Jun 29 2013 06:21 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: advertologist]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
GOOD Eyes Jerry!


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#426284 - Sat Jun 29 2013 06:31 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dick Bennett]
oldnfuelish Offline
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Registered: Wed Nov 02 2005
Loc: Antioch,IL
DOH! Busted!
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#426289 - Sat Jun 29 2013 06:43 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: oldnfuelish]
Tunk-Z28 Online   content
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Dec 19 2012
Loc: Hancock County Maine
Small world , It Is!!!!!!

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#426295 - Sat Jun 29 2013 06:59 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Tunk-Z28]
Shotzy13 Offline
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Registered: Fri Aug 13 2010
Loc: North Carolina
I guess we all wasted our time reading that "open letter".

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#426318 - Sat Jun 29 2013 08:02 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Shotzy13]
FennecFox87 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 15 2012
Loc: Rocky Top U.S.A.
lol....Shotzy13 you read my mind. How could anyone fall for this. Looks at the color, holes, feedback, and just everything. This is so upsetting. I don't know how to report this enough.

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#426322 - Sat Jun 29 2013 08:22 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: FennecFox87]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Originally Posted By: FennecFox87
lol....Shotzy13 you read my mind. How could anyone fall for this. Looks at the color, holes, feedback, and just everything. This is so upsetting. I don't know how to report this enough.

???????????????

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#426329 - Sat Jun 29 2013 08:32 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dick Bennett]
FennecFox87 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 15 2012
Loc: Rocky Top U.S.A.
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
Originally Posted By: FennecFox87
lol....Shotzy13 you read my mind. How could anyone fall for this. Looks at the color, holes, feedback, and just everything. This is so upsetting. I don't know how to report this enough.

???????????????


If you cant keep up, just read back Dick Bennett. Not to hard to figure out. Seller claimed to be honest, and now he is clearly selling fakes. I was saying how could anyone think this was original. Sorry I didn't just spell that out.


Edited by FennecFox87 (Sat Jun 29 2013 08:33 PM)

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#426337 - Sat Jun 29 2013 09:20 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: redhotrelics]
Tunk-Z28 Online   content
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Dec 19 2012
Loc: Hancock County Maine
WOW! I REALLY HAVE DRANK TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!

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#426342 - Sat Jun 29 2013 09:35 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dick Bennett]
redhotrelics Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Jun 02 2013
Loc: New Jersey
HAHA guys guys...relax.. i knew this would blow up in my face.. Thats my brother Joe. He sells signs here and there but not at the level that i do. No I DO NOT HAVE 2 ACCOUNTS. He helps me out sometimes by taking pics, lifting heavy signs, pumps, and some other things. Please dont affiliate me with his account. He paid for the sign,,hes selling the sign,,he gets the money for the sign. So theres no need to break down the photographs anymore.

It still isnt confirmed or denied if its a repro or original.. Clearly theres mixed opinions on here which is why i guess he let it ride. Plus its not like theres a handfull of these that just sold in the last month. Either way the sign got pulled before the auction ended and hes not going to relist it again, so thats that.

As for my letter thanks. I meant every word of it, and have honored what i said and also took the comments into consideration. I left sencilworks a positive feedback because i thought the sign i bought from him was original at the time...After realizing later down the road what he does i despise him and thankfully got my money back from him.

relax fellas, no need to keep throwing me under the bus loll

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#426344 - Sat Jun 29 2013 09:36 PM Shell Kerosene Sign in Question
redhotrelics Offline
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Registered: Sun Jun 02 2013
Loc: New Jersey
OG,

That sign was my brother Joe's sign. He sells on ebay but not like I do. He has a few signs that he lists here and there from time to time. He only currently has 7 items listed....This sign he bought back in Feb or March on ebay. He listed it about a month ago for sale and had it up for bin for a while. He decided to auction it at 99 cents and see where it went. This sign was bought knowing that the paper was on it in an old barn with other nos signs. The same sign is in the black petroliana book from 1994 on one of the pages..... He even has the persons ebay id who sold it to him which i have here and am more than happy to share with everyone. Ebay member Katste3133 was the one who sold him the sign. Joe bought the sign for over $400.00 at the time so please understand that nobody here is trying to decieve you and also to clear up confusion; no i dont have 2 accounts. Joe has his own small collection and Joe does not sell my signs on his account. I hope this clears things up.

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#426348 - Sat Jun 29 2013 09:40 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Sign in Question [Re: redhotrelics]
57tbirdkid Offline
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Registered: Tue May 04 2010
Loc: NY
Kateste3133 buys many of his items on ebay and resells back on ebay. Has has numerous fake signs for sale in the past
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#426350 - Sat Jun 29 2013 09:42 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Tunk-Z28]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Originally Posted By: redhotrelics
This site is becoming very unenjoyable unfortunately

BUT, IT'S Still the most Up To Date Informative Site on the WEB for REPRODUCTION/FANTASY & REAL items for COLLECTORS, Flippers & Decorators.

The info./opinions offered here is FREE for anyone/everyone to use [or disagree with].

To MOST OLDGAS Members this is still a Hobby that WE ENJOY. Hopefully WE can save some from making costly mistakes of buying FAKE/FANTASY ITEMS from Fraudulent Sellers.

It's your choice to Help with the Truth/Solution or be one of the Problems.
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#426358 - Sat Jun 29 2013 10:01 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Sign in Question [Re: 57tbirdkid]
redhotrelics Offline
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Registered: Sun Jun 02 2013
Loc: New Jersey
Well that member at the time told my brother the sign was original nos. It looked original and he looked IN THE BOOK filling station collectibles because it was in there. Maybe an honest mistake on his part but look at his other items he sells....Joe has 7 items listed all originals

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#426422 - Sun Jun 30 2013 01:29 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: redhotrelics]
Dave's Garage Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 05 2011
Loc: Abbotsford, British Columbia, ...
Circumstances don`t make a man. They reveal him.
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#426431 - Sun Jun 30 2013 06:53 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dave's Garage]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
"but, but, but, You guys have been collecting for years and tell me this is repro, I have been in this fast money making hobby for about a year and I think it is real. I think I'll stick with my proffesional 1 year knowledge and tell all you your wrong"
signed, Wannabee american picker
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#426434 - Sun Jun 30 2013 07:34 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: KZ1000]
redhotrelics Offline
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Registered: Sun Jun 02 2013
Loc: New Jersey
Why do you find it necessary to make comments like this. I just explained myself why cant anyone accept what I just stated in this thread and accept it. You are looking for arguments...

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#426457 - Sun Jun 30 2013 09:19 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: redhotrelics]
Jerry Westfield Offline
Active Member

Registered: Sun Mar 17 2013
Loc: Orlando Florida
Originally Posted By: redhotrelics
HAHA guys guys...relax.. i knew this would blow up in my face.. Thats my brother Joe. He sells signs here and there but not at the level that i do. No I DO NOT HAVE 2 ACCOUNTS. He helps me out sometimes by taking pics, lifting heavy signs, pumps, and some other things. Please dont affiliate me with his account. He paid for the sign,,hes selling the sign,,he gets the money for the sign. So theres no need to break down the photographs anymore.

It still isnt confirmed or denied if its a repro or original.. Clearly theres mixed opinions on here which is why i guess he let it ride. Plus its not like theres a handfull of these that just sold in the last month. Either way the sign got pulled before the auction ended and hes not going to relist it again, so thats that.

As for my letter thanks. I meant every word of it, and have honored what i said and also took the comments into consideration. I left sencilworks a positive feedback because i thought the sign i bought from him was original at the time...After realizing later down the road what he does i despise him and thankfully got my money back from him.

relax fellas, no need to keep throwing me under the bus loll


Personally, I do not buy one word of your response. I also think your open letter was a very carefully crafted letter to over come the fact your were called out for passing off unmarked reproduction signs the first time. I am sorry I gave you such an easy way out by joking about your twin brother in the photos. You really did not think this whole thing would blow up in your face, you just thought you could pull yet another fast one on us sign collectors. You regained some ground with your fake open letter, but you were driving the bus the second time you got tossed under it. As the President of Red Hot Relics, is this how you run your company?

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#426479 - Sun Jun 30 2013 10:40 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: KZ1000]
texacokie Offline
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Registered: Sun Jun 19 2011
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: KZ1000
"but, but, but, You guys have been collecting for years and tell me this is repro, I have been in this fast money making hobby for about a year and I think it is real. I think I'll stick with my proffesional 1 year knowledge and tell all you your wrong"
signed, Wannabee american picker


I am sorry but that is kind of how I took it also. Personally I have seen a few come and go trying to get rich quick since the PICKER DORKS has been on TV. To really appreciate these items for what they are is a LOVE for the hobby, not to make a quick dollar. Money comes and goes but these objects that bring so much fun. friendships, fellowships and just sheer excitment of the seek and conquer that special piece it what drives us COLLECTORS. The friends I have made in this hobby mean as much to me as the items I find, and one can never have to many friends!
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#426492 - Sun Jun 30 2013 11:14 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: texacokie]
Dave's Garage Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 05 2011
Loc: Abbotsford, British Columbia, ...
How many times have you been caught with your hand in the cookie jar? Each time we are to believe that you were just looking. I think, you have been given ample opportunity to prove who and what you`re all about. As they say....only time will tell.

Time has clearly revealed more to us about you then you care to admit about yourself. Public opinion is at its lowest for you as once again you are involved in a set of circumstances that has brought into question your motives and integrity.

For me this is pretty easy. You`re as fake as the kerosene sign. Like the kerosene sign; some of the naive may believe you are real.
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#426493 - Sun Jun 30 2013 11:21 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dave's Garage]
Tunk-Z28 Online   content
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Wed Dec 19 2012
Loc: Hancock County Maine
Nicely said Dave, I am not that polite!

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#426494 - Sun Jun 30 2013 11:23 AM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dave's Garage]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Don't forget the paper stuck to face.
He has had the time to prove who & what he is, Dave!
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#426531 - Sun Jun 30 2013 01:13 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Jerry Westfield]
redhotrelics Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Jun 02 2013
Loc: New Jersey
jerry if you don't want to believe me than that's fine. I would not be on here using my ebay name if i was blatently lying to you. You are too quick to jump to a conclusion without reading what I stated in the thread. If you would like to call me I am willing to talk like a professional with you. It seems you are not satisfied with my explanation c
Originally Posted By: Jerry Westfield
Originally Posted By: redhotrelics
HAHA guys guys...relax.. i knew this would blow up in my face.. Thats my brother Joe. He sells signs here and there but not at the level that i do. No I DO NOT HAVE 2 ACCOUNTS. He helps me out sometimes by taking pics, lifting heavy signs, pumps, and some other things. Please dont affiliate me with his account. He paid for the sign,,hes selling the sign,,he gets the money for the sign. So theres no need to break down the photographs anymore.

It still isnt confirmed or denied if its a repro or original.. Clearly theres mixed opinions on here which is why i guess he let it ride. Plus its not like theres a handfull of these that just sold in the last month. Either way the sign got pulled before the auction ended and hes not going to relist it again, so thats that.

As for my letter thanks. I meant every word of it, and have honored what i said and also took the comments into consideration. I left sencilworks a positive feedback because i thought the sign i bought from him was original at the time...After realizing later down the road what he does i despise him and thankfully got my money back from him.

relax fellas, no need to keep throwing me under the bus loll


Personally, I do not buy one word of your response. I also think your open letter was a very carefully crafted letter to over come the fact your were called out for passing off unmarked reproduction signs the first time. I am sorry I gave you such an easy way out by joking about your twin brother in the photos. You really did not think this whole thing would blow up in your face, you just thought you could pull yet another fast one on us sign collectors. You regained some ground with your fake open letter, but you were driving the bus the second time you got tossed under it. As the President of Red Hot Relics, is this how you run your company?

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#426539 - Sun Jun 30 2013 01:49 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: redhotrelics]
Dave's Garage Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Mon Dec 05 2011
Loc: Abbotsford, British Columbia, ...
Why did all the posts get removed?

Let's try this again....

The real question is; is the sign fake or real?

The sign is a fake. To me this is as clear as the attached video link.

After watching the video some people may say that this landing has to be fake: partly because there are no landing or navigation lights visible, that the crosswind patterns are wrong and that the braking is too sudden. You make up your own mind.

To me the video, the story, and the sign are fakes. I'm sure there are some members that will disagree with me on all three...oh well that's what makes everyone interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zesYzbCL3zw&feature=youtu.be



Edited by Dave's Garage (Sun Jun 30 2013 01:53 PM)
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#426547 - Sun Jun 30 2013 02:14 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dave's Garage]
Jerry Westfield Offline
Active Member

Registered: Sun Mar 17 2013
Loc: Orlando Florida
Dave, The sign is fake, the seller is fake, and I need not waste my time calling him. I called him out for jerking us around. We are just luck the whole post is still here for other people to read and take note.

By the way, are you sure the youtube clip is fake? LOL.....

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#426552 - Sun Jun 30 2013 02:36 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dave's Garage]
Dick Bennett Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Overcoming Temptations!!!


Edited by Dick Bennett (Sun Jun 30 2013 02:38 PM)

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#426553 - Sun Jun 30 2013 02:37 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Jerry Westfield]
texacokie Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Sun Jun 19 2011
Loc: Oklahoma
Dave I have seen a few aircraft that have landed at Will Rodgers airport that look very similar to that one!
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#426554 - Sun Jun 30 2013 02:39 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: texacokie]
Dick Bennett Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Originally Posted By: texacokie
Dave I have seen a few aircraft that have landed at Will Rodgers airport that look very similar to that one!

Before or After Several 6pks?

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#426562 - Sun Jun 30 2013 02:55 PM Re: Shell Kerosene Flange [Re: Dick Bennett]
Jerry Westfield Offline
Active Member

Registered: Sun Mar 17 2013
Loc: Orlando Florida
Dick, "TEMPTATION" is the name of the game, but in this game they are going for the green stuff! I think your "you tube" attachment is perfect, but I am sure it will go away and join some post that are no longer with us.

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