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#429526 - Fri Jul 12 2013 08:57 PM why dont people just put a price?
indiananationals Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 09 2013
Loc: indiana
why dont people just put a price so others have a idea of what u are asking


Edited by Oldgas (Sat Jul 13 2013 02:25 PM)
Edit Reason: Move discussion from For Sale topic to General Discussion to comply with For Sale Forum Guidelines

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Please use For Sale forums to sell

Please - NO offers to Buy or Sell in this forum category

Statements such as, "I'm thinking about selling this." are considered an offer to sell.
#429543 - Fri Jul 12 2013 09:39 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: indiananationals]
texacokie Offline
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Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: indiananationals
why dont people just put a price so others have a idea of what u are asking


It kind of makes me shake my head as well sometimes.....but to each there own I guess.



Edited by texacokie (Fri Jul 12 2013 09:39 PM)
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#429550 - Fri Jul 12 2013 10:12 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: texacokie]
indiananationals Offline
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Registered: Sat Mar 09 2013
Loc: indiana
it just seems it would save some time i mean alot of items are subjective to what each person thinks they are worth i mean i may think this sign is worth 1000 and offer that to him and he thinks im nuts cause he thinks its worth 10000 just seems it would save alot of time for everyone


Edited by indiananationals (Fri Jul 12 2013 10:12 PM)

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#429564 - Sat Jul 13 2013 12:21 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: indiananationals]
petropumps Offline
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Registered: Sat Aug 07 2004
Loc: Oregon
This is really becoming an annoying pattern on this site...

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#429568 - Sat Jul 13 2013 12:36 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: petropumps]
Jack Sim Online   content
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Registered: Fri Nov 10 2000
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
This no price thing is happening all over the place. I get lot of people emailing me saying they have a gas pump or air meter for sale. When I ask what they want for it, they want me to make an offer.
How can I make a sensible offer for something I can only see in one picture, or most of the time, no picture.
I think that no matter what you offer they think you are low balling them.

Jack Sim
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#429582 - Sat Jul 13 2013 06:29 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Jack Sim]
Maxgas Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 25 2011
Loc: Augusta, Maine, USA
Joker, Joker, Joker,

You win the game!

Anyone remember that one?
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#429591 - Sat Jul 13 2013 07:53 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Maxgas]
Wes Maxwell Offline
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Registered: Fri Oct 15 2004
Loc: Central Ohio
I assume the price is "As much as I can get"? As there are no set values for this stuff, a lot of people do not know the top price the buying market would spend. If a person is wanting the most they can get, take offers and go from there. That gives them control of the sale, unlike a no reserve auction where they take what they get after commissions. Or if they decide on a set price of $1000, they will then wonder if maybe I could have gotten more. Not a good set up for the buyers but it does give the seller more options and a better chance to get more money for their item than they might think it is worth. I would rather buy something with a price on it but not all sellers work that way. To each their own..
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#429595 - Sat Jul 13 2013 08:09 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Wes Maxwell]
Carl Offline
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Registered: Sun Jun 26 2011
Loc: Arkansas , USA
So why not put a crazy high reserve on it and see where it ends up at? If this were a more common sign folks would know within the ballpark what to offer. Okay.. I will step down from my box and let someone else give their 2 cents worth.

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#429599 - Sat Jul 13 2013 09:14 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Carl]
jbrooks Offline
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Registered: Thu Sep 30 2010
Loc: NJ
why do people need to get every last dollar they can. If you own something then you should know what you paid for it and have some sort of a general idea of its value. Then put a price on it that you think is fair.

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#429634 - Sat Jul 13 2013 11:07 AM Re: why dont people just put a price?
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I agree with all the above comments. For the most part, I ignore ad's that don't have a price listed.
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#429649 - Sat Jul 13 2013 11:52 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: redhotrelics]
Chevrolet SS Offline
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Registered: Sun Apr 03 2011
Loc: DeKalb, IL
So, if a novice collector hit the Buy It Now for $4500 you are willing to refund $2500 because you are an honest seller and by all means would not take advantage of an inexperienced buyer/collector.

You are NOT going to survive in this ARENA! shocked
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#429658 - Sat Jul 13 2013 12:31 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Chevrolet SS]
roadrelics Offline
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Registered: Sat Dec 21 2002
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota ...USA
Originally Posted By: Chevrolet SS
You are NOT going to survive in this ARENA! shocked

and neither are you!!


Edited by Watchdog7 (Sat Jul 13 2013 02:51 PM)
Edit Reason: to fix quote

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#429678 - Sat Jul 13 2013 01:54 PM Re: why dont people just put a price?
1937 GMC Offline
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Registered: Fri Apr 22 2011
Loc: DFW Texas
There are several very experienced sign collectors on this site to include my "Bowtie" friend with amazing collections...they will survive just fine! wink


Edited by 1937 GMC (Sat Jul 13 2013 02:07 PM)
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#429681 - Sat Jul 13 2013 02:07 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: 1937 GMC]
Maxgas Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 25 2011
Loc: Augusta, Maine, USA
I think it was said best a few post ago. If I remember right it was in reference to the guy from Florida, Hmmmmm. I forget the name but haven't heard a peep from him in a month or so now. Was selling the cheezy fakes from South America.
"Every few months one of the "newbies" shows up to entertain us for a while"

Well take 2 or 3 or what ever # take on that one now. They will learn. Asking 2x the actual best day on the open market & at full retail price is just insulting.

Go troll for suckers on some other site!
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#429693 - Sat Jul 13 2013 02:48 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Maxgas]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Re: why dont people just put a price?
MOST are Afraid of leaving any trace of Meat on the Bone

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#429710 - Sat Jul 13 2013 03:38 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
coheley5 Offline
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Registered: Thu Jun 11 2009
Loc: Georgia
If you don't want to price it then auction it . If you still don't get what you want then keep it and leave us alone.
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#429720 - Sat Jul 13 2013 04:12 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: coheley5]
bppierce Offline
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Registered: Sun Aug 19 2007
Loc: Round Rock, Texas
Lots of talk on this subject, but nothing seems to change.
Here's my thoughts from awhile back
for sale - best offer

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#429779 - Sat Jul 13 2013 09:22 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bppierce]
Signs&Neons Offline
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Registered: Sun Jul 25 2010
Loc: Midwest
Originally Posted By: bppierce
Lots of talk on this subject, but nothing seems to change.
Here's my thoughts from awhile back
for sale - best offer


bppierce nailed when he said in his previous post - "Bottom line, I don't want to step up and make a really good offer only to have it used as bait for the seller to shop it around." 9 times out of 10 this is what happens when someone is playing the best offer game. If you want to sell it - put a price on it or put it on auction. My 3 cents smile

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#429781 - Sat Jul 13 2013 09:26 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Signs&Neons]
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Registered: Thu Oct 30 2008
Loc: MN United States
agree with above. I have lost so many deals giving a number then says sorry you were low. I don't appraise anymore.

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#429812 - Sat Jul 13 2013 11:35 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: indiananationals]
henlovestoys Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 22 2008
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: indiananationals
why dont people just put a price so others have a idea of what u are asking


Given …

1- It is 2013 & not 1960’s (plenty of stuff available then, right?)
2- Hobby is going strong IMO. Prices for RARE stuff hold regardless of all we hear about copies out there. Just see the recent auctions … My goodness!
3- Not many good stuff show up often.

How would anyone these days put a “value” on a RARE item?

I would like you to read my past experience with value …

http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=50752&Number=319812#Post319812

You will notice on page 2, db’s comment. No one ever thought this can would bring $2200

BTW, Dave offered this can to me for $500 & I turned him down! What a fool!

So, in a nut shell, to me, value is c***-shoot!

Hen




Edited by henlovestoys (Sat Jul 13 2013 11:36 PM)

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#429828 - Sun Jul 14 2013 12:51 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: henlovestoys]
Signs&Neons Offline
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Registered: Sun Jul 25 2010
Loc: Midwest
I read your story, and I will still stand by "put a price on it or put it up for auction". If you have an idea about what it's worth, price it accordingly and move it. If you don't, auction it and you might get a pleasant surprise, like in the case of your friends can. What I find frustrating is all the "make offer, best offer, I don't know's" that really do know about what it's worth to them or at least what they would be content with, but won't put a price out there....

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#429842 - Sun Jul 14 2013 05:32 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Signs&Neons]
Maxgas Offline
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Registered: Sun Sep 25 2011
Loc: Augusta, Maine, USA
DB.......BINGO!

See You in Iowa.

Max
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#430454 - Tue Jul 16 2013 09:44 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Maxgas]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Just so you know... there are people like me being lead here trying to do research to have a better understanding of what we have and the value. They don't have to be items purchased already to now what they are worth. Could have been discovered sorting the estate after losing a loved one. In my case signs are in a garage and my husband and I need to give up our home to move in with my mom so she can keep her home. There is no room for us so we have to convert the garage into a bedroom. I thought collectors would know the values of collectibles to be able to make an offer for a fair price. I personally wouldn't want to sell something for half the value when my mom could use the money, not for entertainment or something fun but for living expenses. So if "newbies" are stating best offer... be flattered. That might only mean they are putting their trust in the collectors to make a fair offer and would like to see their items go to the person that really wants it. Just to be clear I do not have a for sale ad here. The signs that I have are too big to ship. But I wouldn't have thought it was wrong to list for best offer. I'm sure the collectors want to purchase for the best price they can get and may resell someday also hoping for the best sale price right? Try not to be too entertained by clueless people like me relying on your expertise or putting blind trust in you if you should be interested in something collectible to you, that's all :-)

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#430455 - Tue Jul 16 2013 09:47 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
Ryan Underthun Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
There is a value section....
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#430463 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:08 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Ryan Underthun]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Thank you Ryan... I'm not there yet. I don't have any pictures. I was just making a general observation about this topic and why I wouldn't think it was wrong to list something for best offer. Might not change anyone's opinion though.

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#430465 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:14 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
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Thank You for sharing your perspective and thoughts, Cindy!!
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#430475 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:42 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Man-Cave-Shoppe Dave]
Ryan Underthun Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
It is my position that all items for sale should have a price. I and other moderators spend a considerable amount of time deleting and moving posts that are relevant to griping and complaining about something for sale without a price.

When I go to sell something, (lets say an old cash register) that I have minimal knowledge of, I do my research and set a price.

Its not a rule to post a price when selling on Oldgas.
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#430480 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:11 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Ryan Underthun]
Alex Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 08 2003
Loc: Butte, Montana USA
I am a moderator as well, and will disagree with Ryan. While I would prefer to see set prices and agree people should try to do some research...sometimes you just don't know. That's one reason why I think the Values Section is a valuable service for people. Some folks on here hate it. But if it can help set prices for people to list then that is a good thing. On the other hand if someone says, "make an offer" and I am intersted, I do my research and figure out what I think it is worth and make an offer. If it "insults" them, well, that's the way it goes and I may make another offer or just move on. It's only stuff....
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#430484 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:34 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Alex]
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Loc: Longview, WA
Personally, I stay away from For Sale ads that "say; Make an Offer"... A few years ago, I was "burned" by a Member no longer here. We agreed on the price of an item, I even paid him for it and was told that it would be packaged up and mailed in a few days... In the mean while, another Member saw his ad and offered more for the item, than I did...

Next thing I know, the other Member is showing the item in the BOTW and I am *****ed off, trying to get my money back... Since then, if I don't know the Member and haven't done "business" with them. I stay away from the "Make an Offer" ads...

From my standpoint, if I'm shopping for an Appliance (had to buy a 'frige/freeze) over the weekend... I don't walk in wanting to "screw around" guessing for a price... Tell me how much it is and I will determine if it fits within my budget... Same with buying a TV, Stove, Clothing, Car, House, food... etc...

I browse other sites and I see very little of the "Make an Offer", BS... In fact on most sites, I visit... It is a requirement that an item offered, either has a price or has a price with OBO proviso with it.... Or one can hold an auction...
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#430486 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:38 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Alex]
Dale Stephens Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 18 2009
Loc: Alabama, USA
In my opinion, if someone wants an offer, they are usually wanting outrageous offers. If I have an item I want to move, I price it accordingly to what I have in it. So what if you don't get "all" the meat that's left on the bone. Give someone a little break and make "their" day. DON'T BE SO GREEDY. Again, my opinion....
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#430489 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:49 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Bob Richards]
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I think it's pretty simple. If it's for sale then it should have a price listed.

If you unsure of the value then, do your homework. Once, you know what it's worth then list it with a PRICE.

Estimates of value at best are only educated guesses. Show it to ten different people and you will get varying evaluations.

If, you are afraid of selling it for less then it's worth. In that case, list it auction style with an opening bid. Let the market determine what it is truly worth.

The true value of any item is what is someone willing to pay for the item in question in that moment.
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#430491 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:57 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dale Stephens]
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Registered: Sun Dec 18 2011
Loc: Fredericktown Missouri
I don't understand the make me a offer stuff either? If you are a seller , give a price. It's aggravating when you go to buy anything , and seller says what will you give me? Its kind of like ,how much you got in your wallet ?
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#430496 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:08 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dave's Garage]
Oldgas Offline
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Registered: Tue Jul 25 2000
Loc: South of St. Louis, MO USA
Several moderators are currently talking about options on pricing in the For Sale Petro forum. I don't want to run off newbies like Cindy who posted above. But things have changed in the hobby and on this site and we need to address those changes. We appreciate your ideas posted here.

Requiring prices is easy but administrating that will take additional moderator time. Dealing with the need by some for taking offers and auction format selling will take some more thought in working out the details.

If you are a moderator, send me a PM or email. If you are a member, post your thoughts here.
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#430499 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:13 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Oldgas]
Signs&Neons Offline
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Registered: Sun Jul 25 2010
Loc: Midwest
How about a poll of the membership on requiring a price? Maybe this has been done and I missed it? I agree with what Bob and Dave have said above, and as Ryan said we do have a value forum to help new sellers determine fair prices. To me, if you are ready to advertise it for sale - you should be ready to put a price on it to sell! Thanks

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#430502 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:21 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Signs&Neons]
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Registered: Fri Oct 15 2004
Loc: Central Ohio
Requiring a price? I would not be in favor of that. One member is already pricing his stuff at what some consider way to high and people complain about that. If it is something I want bad enough I will make an offer. Then again if something I am only slightly interested in if it doesn't have a price I normally just let it go. As Cindy mentioned, she has no idea on what it is worth and her family needs a fair price. I see no problem with asking for offers. Not the way I like to buy stuff but it is still the sellers item.
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#430504 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:26 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Signs&Neons]
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This is one of the reasons that people ask for offers.
http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=418504&page=1
That sign went out to a "offer" that was given from across the country and was $4000 above the asking price of $1000 in the ad!!!! ,,, and he still probably has 'lots of meat left on the bone'.
The policy that has been in place is still very good!
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#430506 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:27 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Wes Maxwell]
Ryan Underthun Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
When I go to the store to buy some Oreo cookeis, there is a price listed, every time.

When I go to the junkyard to buy a used fender they give me a price as well.

When I go to the gas station, guess what, the price for gas is listed.

How is this any different?
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#430507 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:31 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Wes Maxwell]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
I belong to an antique bicycle site and the rule is simple, to list an item for sale you must post a picture and a price. If you don't the post is deleted. No warnings No bickering posts. The ad just vanishes. The For Sale section runs flawlessly there.
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#430508 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:34 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Ryan Underthun]
Alex Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 08 2003
Loc: Butte, Montana USA
Ryan: I think one of the differences is that the Oreo people knows what is cost to make the cookie and what their profit margin needs to be and what they can charge so it doesn't drive off the buyers to the competion.

In Bob's case mentioned above where someone was unscrupulous, then making an offer or setting a price wouldn't make a difference. They would still probaly be unscruplulous. i have seen that happen on this site as well. Again, my preference is for people to list a price, but I am not conceend if they say, make an offer. Make an offer and move on or don't make an offer and move on.
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#430509 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:37 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Ryan Underthun]
Rabbitman Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 09 2010
Loc: Missouri,USA
I agree with you Ryan. The way I look at an advertised item is that the seller has a price in mind or they wouldn't be advertising it. If the ad posts an "asking" price then to me that means they are throwing out a starting point but would probably take a little less. If the price is "firm" , I take that to mean what it says and don't make lowball offers on it. If they just say make an offer I usually stay away from it because they are just fishin and it could be that they will take a low price but usually it's the opposite and they know they're too high when they post it. Just my two cents worth.....or maybe it's a nickels worth, I'm not sure.....GB.

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#430510 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:39 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Ryan Underthun]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Understandable Ryan. That is what I was attempting to do coming here on this site. I posted under general hoping for more general info on some signs for starters and also more importantly if there was info available regarding local collectors beings the PA section in the directory had older listings. I knew I couldn't expect more than general info without more specific info on the exact signs; condition, size, etc - plus pictures. I don't have any of that yet but I do see my post was moved to the value section. Collectors know where to find this info without help I'm sure. People like me do not. My attempt at researching kept leading me back to this site and I guess I haven't looked in the right place here to learn anything without posting. I have been trying internet searches though and was very surprised this massive world wide web offers very little info. I guess you need to buy books and all which I wouldn't mind if this wasn't a 1 time thing and if I knew what book was needed. I had hoped to learn some kind of basic/general knowledge first or at least be lead in the right direction to gain that. I now know that isn't necessary here. Your members are very helpful and will contact privately having little info to go on. I only posted my thoughts on this topic thinking some may realize it still might be worth making a offer if no price is listed knowing that if I did have pictures I very well may have did the same if I came across a non ebay ad section. And also hoping some might realizing "newbies" aren't trying to simply amuse anyone. Sorry if I did or said anything wrong. I'm glad I kept being lead back to this site. I am confident that I will get the best info available here once I have everything needed to do so... even if right now some members might be getting a laugh seeing my post under value without that. :-)

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#430514 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:44 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: KZ1000]
Ryan Underthun Offline
Moderator

Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
Originally Posted By: KZ1000
I belong to an antique bicycle site and the rule is simple, to list an item for sale you must post a picture and a price. If you don't the post is deleted. No warnings No bickering posts. The ad just vanishes. The For Sale section runs flawlessly there.


I am an active member on three or four other forums, (performance boating, drag racing, car audio, ect) ALL of them require pictures and prices or the ad is deleted.

Many of the forums require a piece of paper in the picture with the users name and the date as well. This helps people from selling something that does not belong to them, although that is really not a problem here... Yet.
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#430516 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:46 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
Ryan Underthun Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
Originally Posted By: Cindy B
Understandable Ryan. That is what I was attempting to do coming here on this site. I posted under general hoping for more general info on some signs for starters and also more importantly if there was info available regarding local collectors beings the PA section in the directory had older listings. I knew I couldn't expect more than general info without more specific info on the exact signs; condition, size, etc - plus pictures. I don't have any of that yet but I do see my post was moved to the value section. Collectors know where to find this info without help I'm sure. People like me do not. My attempt at researching kept leading me back to this site and I guess I haven't looked in the right place here to learn anything without posting. I have been trying internet searches though and was very surprised this massive world wide web offers very little info. I guess you need to buy books and all which I wouldn't mind if this wasn't a 1 time thing and if I knew what book was needed. I had hoped to learn some kind of basic/general knowledge first or at least be lead in the right direction to gain that. I now know that isn't necessary here. Your members are very helpful and will contact privately having little info to go on. I only posted my thoughts on this topic thinking some may realize it still might be worth making a offer if no price is listed knowing that if I did have pictures I very well may have did the same if I came across a non ebay ad section. And also hoping some might realizing "newbies" aren't trying to simply amuse anyone. Sorry if I did or said anything wrong. I'm glad I kept being lead back to this site. I am confident that I will get the best info available here once I have everything needed to do so... even if right now some members might be getting a laugh seeing my post under value without that. :-)


I am glad that you are having a positive experience here. You have not done anything wrong here that I can see.... Yet, LOL
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#430518 - Tue Jul 16 2013 12:50 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
cormy Offline
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Registered: Mon Feb 09 2004
Loc: PA
This area of collecting is a tricky business and the real advantage most of the members here have is simply experience.
Years of going to auctions, buying/selling, reading guides on the items, watching Ebay items..is the only real way to become somewhat familiar with pricing.

The no price thing...?? just what the other post said.."leave no meat on the bone" mentality.

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#430536 - Tue Jul 16 2013 02:25 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: cormy]
hotrodfun1 Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 05 2009
Loc: Montana
all I have to say is Alex is right on with what he said and when I go to a auction I don't get a price for something or on ebay do I get a set price. People ask me a price of stuff and there is a lot of people I ask for a value on something. Also, you can put a price on something all day long, but you have to have the cash buyer first. There is no bad thing with asking for an offer I have to offer most of the time anyway. Just my two cents.
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#430538 - Tue Jul 16 2013 02:33 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: hotrodfun1]
Alex Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 08 2003
Loc: Butte, Montana USA
Originally Posted By: hotrodfun1
all I have to say is Alex is right on with what he said and when I go to a auction I don't get a price for something or on ebay do I get a set price. People ask me a price of stuff and there is a lot of people I ask for a value on something. Also, you can put a price on something all day long, but you have to have the cash buyer first. There is no bad thing with asking for an offer I have to offer most of the time anyway. Just my two cents.


Must be the way we Montanan's think..LOL
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#430541 - Tue Jul 16 2013 02:49 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: hotrodfun1]
Ryan Underthun Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
Originally Posted By: hotrodfun1
all I have to say is Alex is right on with what he said and when I go to a auction I don't get a price for something or on ebay do I get a set price. People ask me a price of stuff and there is a lot of people I ask for a value on something. Also, you can put a price on something all day long, but you have to have the cash buyer first. There is no bad thing with asking for an offer I have to offer most of the time anyway. Just my two cents.


The for sale section is not called the auction or best offer section.

I can see where you guys are coming from though.
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#430543 - Tue Jul 16 2013 03:07 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Alex]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
When I was looking to buy a house or pickup, I never see signs that say Make Offer or Best Offer Accepted.

On here it really is hard giving a Ball Park Estimate w/o 1 [or more] pictures. 1 chip can be a $500-$5,000+ difference on some signs/globes.

Advertising Signs, Auction sites

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#430546 - Tue Jul 16 2013 03:28 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
Alex Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 08 2003
Loc: Butte, Montana USA
This is right from the Guidlelines at the top of the For Sale Section...

Auctions must have a specific end time and any other conditions defined in the first post. (Auctions are allowed)

We recommend that items for sale are priced by the seller. The vast majority of willing buyers expect it.
(Recommended, but not required) Convince the boss to change the rules or we all need to play within them. Anyway, it makes for good discussion. we just need a few cold ones to go along with it.
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#430550 - Tue Jul 16 2013 03:49 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Alex]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
It's a No Win situation, no matter how many times WE Discuss it or have another Poll.

For MANY Years the Government Supported Smoking [& still subsidizes farmers that grow tobacco], BUT yet the Government is spending Billions on Anti-Smoking!

I vote that No Item maybe posted in the For Sale Forum w/o a picture & a price, UH-less it is an auction.

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#430557 - Tue Jul 16 2013 04:49 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
People are making fake accounts and selling...People are also selling signs that belong to others with and without permission! LOL
I agree with Dick! No items should be posted without a price, picture, and ONLY by verified members! smile

Here are the rules from the antique radio forum!
The for sale section works Great!
Forum rules

The following requirements must be followed when advertising personal antique radio / TV / audio / phono items (such as discussed in the forums here) for sale in the classifieds forum::


Titles must START with : FS (for sale) or WTB (want to buy) or Trade or Free at the beginning of the title..

FS posts must have an "asking" price and offers may be sent by PM. Are you parting something out? ... price each major part (not things like screws and nuts)

There must be a location somewhere in the ad or the members profile (City & State or Zip Code are the minimum requirement).

Ads are limited to two per day, and may not be bumped sooner than 7 days after the last post to the thread.

No outside sales links are allowed other than to pictures of actual items being sold. No links allowed to eBay, Craigslist etc.

This is NOT a discussion forum. If you're not buying or supplying or suggesting a relevant solution, don't post - send a Private Message. Comments on pricing will be deleted.

First to post to an item for sale stating "I WILL TAKE IT" it is first in line. Subsequent claims will be followed in the order they are posted. Claims to "Take it" can be conditional on unknowns such as shipping costs.

Any "PM sent" posts without posting a reason for the PM will be deleted as they are meaningless to anyone else reading the thread.

Once a deal is made, edit the title to say so and the thread will be locked

If your thread or post disappears - read the rules again - no warnings or explanations will be given when threads or posts are deleted.




Edited by tomzcollectiblez (Tue Jul 16 2013 04:53 PM)

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#430568 - Tue Jul 16 2013 05:30 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: tomzcollectiblez]
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Here is a direct link to antique radio forum rules...
Im NOT saying we should adopt these exactly, HOWEVER there are some VERY important parts of this we should seriously consider smile
Antiqur Radio Forum rules

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#430572 - Tue Jul 16 2013 06:02 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: tomzcollectiblez]
Craig Osbeck Offline
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Loc: Portland Oregon
Good points.
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#430574 - Tue Jul 16 2013 06:17 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: tomzcollectiblez]
Man-Cave-Shoppe Dave Offline
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Last time I checked, this site works really well just the way it is but if you want to make it more secure, then have a more substantial sign up info page with a confirmation of some type and leave the for sale forum alone. There are enough "deputies" on here that keep it mostly safe.
Do not shoot the site in the foot by making it anything but unfriendly and easy to sign up and post.
Do not restrict new members to a certain # of posts before letting them post in the for sale section, some people are not petro heads but still kind enough to let us in on what they found or dug up or ??? and they might only need to be on here just to sell that item. The member that buys it will be happy they posted it once they have it at it's new home.
The new people freshen up this site and keep the hobby growing and changing. They are a important part of this site because most of them are the future of this hobby.
Ernie is a great example of this. He only came onto this site to help his friend get the best deals for the incredible collection that he had built up over decades. He did not know what prices to ask but he did a bunch of research and asked a lot of good people and during all this, the petro bug bit him hard and now he has started a great collection for himself. I do not think he would have become the petro nut that he is if the site had restricted his activities at the start.
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#430578 - Tue Jul 16 2013 06:26 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Man-Cave-Shoppe Dave]
Dave's Garage Offline
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I think, one would have to be pretty naive to believe that having sellers post a price will have life altering consequences for some. I just want to clarify that; Posting a price will not cause the forces of the universe to conspire against you and change your destiny.


Edited by Dave's Garage (Tue Jul 16 2013 06:27 PM)
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#430594 - Tue Jul 16 2013 07:24 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dave's Garage]
PETRO NUT Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu Mar 13 2008
Loc: MN
wow, I wish this is all I had to worry about. some of you guys really take the fun out of this.

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#430606 - Tue Jul 16 2013 07:54 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: PETRO NUT]
blacktee Offline
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Registered: Mon Jan 17 2005
Loc: Saline, Mi USA
Originally Posted By: PETRO NUT
wow, I wish this is all I had to worry about. some of you guys really take the fun out of this.


Ditto

How about the buyer never wants to make an offer, for fear he'll be way over. Let's be truthful folks... LMAO

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#430611 - Tue Jul 16 2013 08:06 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: blacktee]
Craig Osbeck Offline
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Registered: Tue Jan 06 2009
Loc: Portland Oregon
Just try giving someone an offer that wants more than you think it is worth, like twice. See what kind of reaction you get on an offer then. It all evens out, but sometimes people just fish.
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#430653 - Tue Jul 16 2013 09:24 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Craig Osbeck]
chadrock00 Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 11 2005
Loc: Warsaw, Illinois
I posted my first item with offers only this past week. I will be the first to admit, I hate the "offer" game that people want to play. I knew what I expected out of it and told all inquiries that I would price it in 48 hours. Actually texted LSx (OG handle)what I was willing to take for it. Only reason I did list it as make an offer, was that I had several in depth conversations with a couple people when I got the item and I was trying to be somewhat loyal to those previous comments. I even posted that in the listing. It turned out for the better, as the item sold with in 20 minutes to one of the people that inquired about it previously. He stepped up and his offer was the first offer that was with-in reason, and was the first offer I took. Will probably be my one and only "offer sale" on OG as I have probably listed over a 1000 items on here since I started.

Very few times, but there are a few instances when the offer method serves a purpose. Bottom line is if you want to sell it, price it. The people that constantly fish shouldn't be allowed to sale after X amount of "make offer" posts, especially if that is all they do.

Part of learning the hobby/trade is overpaying and underselling. I have done it a hundred times, if not more. You live and you learn. If you take the knowledge of another and try to use it for yourself, eventually you will get burnt.(which has also happened to me) I love hear stories about people getting good deals and I love hear stories about people getting top dollar out of stuff. Probably what keeps me going. LEARNING about this stuff, including the pricing is what I like most about it.


Edited by chadrock00 (Tue Jul 16 2013 09:32 PM)

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#448356 - Tue Jul 16 2013 09:55 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Alex]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Originally Posted By: Alex
This is right from the Guidlelines at the top of the For Sale Section...

Auctions must have a specific end time and any other conditions defined in the first post. (Auctions are allowed)

We recommend that items for sale are priced by the seller. The vast majority of willing buyers expect it.
(Recommended, but not required) Convince the boss to change the rules or we all need to play within them. Anyway, it makes for good discussion. we just need a few cold ones to go along with it.


Looks to me like you are set up to keep everyone happy at one time or another. Realistically speaking "For Sale" means there is a seller looking for a buyer. The details of any particular sale, if there is one, will only be important to the buyer and seller. No one else needs to be upset how any sale took place that made both the buyer and seller happy. Or even if a seller has the time and patience to wait for the best deal knowing what that could be... that should be ok too. It shouldn't be "it's my way or the highway" mentality. How about "to each his own" "different strokes for different folks"... personal preference is personal to the individual and individuality is a good thing. No harm no foul right?

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#448364 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:18 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
When I was looking to buy a house or pickup, I never see signs that say Make Offer or Best Offer Accepted.




BUT for your house purchase it WAS your best offer that the seller accepted or you accepted the counter offer. Not too many pay the list price in real estate unless it was up for sale a long time with several price cuts along the way. And for your pickup I'm sure that you made an offer or two as the salesperson did their fast dance trying to get you to agree to the highest amount they could get while making you believe they gave you the best deal of the year. These two examples are big purchases where price negotiations go back and forth until a final sale price is agreed upon by both parties.

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#448365 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:22 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
jbrooks Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu Sep 30 2010
Loc: NJ
Just throwing this idea out there....how about a for sale with price section and a make offer section. For all those (myself included) who don't want to deal with the make offer people we can choose to never go into that part of the forum.

Ok, everyone can now attack this idea...lol

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#448367 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:23 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
You are getting a Building Permit to convert the garage to living quarters, Right?

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#448377 - Tue Jul 16 2013 10:50 PM Re: why dint people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
Cindy B Offline
Active Member

Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
You are getting a Building Permit to convert the garage to living quarters, Right?


No they denied my "offer" lol laugh

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#448386 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:18 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Originally Posted By: Cindy B
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
When I was looking to buy a house or pickup, I never see signs that say Make Offer or Best Offer Accepted.




BUT for your house purchase it WAS your best offer that the seller accepted or you accepted the counter offer. Not too many pay the list price in real estate unless it was up for sale a long time with several price cuts along the way. And for your pickup I'm sure that you made an offer or two as the salesperson did their fast dance trying to get you to agree to the highest amount they could get while making you believe they gave you the best deal of the year. These two examples are big purchases where price negotiations go back and forth until a final sale price is agreed upon by both parties.

& BOTH have a starting Price. I've never bought a vehicle that I haven't felt like I got SHAFTED. A dozen can go in to same dealer & walk out w/ exact vehicle & all paid a different price w/o a trade in.
Originally Posted By: Cindy B
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett
You are getting a Building Permit to convert the garage to living quarters, Right?



No they denied my "offer" lol laugh

Building Permits are not open to offers or the penalties for not getting one.
Insurance might be worthless if you ever have a claim.
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#448396 - Tue Jul 16 2013 11:54 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
bppierce Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Aug 19 2007
Loc: Round Rock, Texas
If a seller doesn't know the value of an item and therefore posts is as "make an offer", what criteria do they use to know when to accept an offer? I just don't get that.
* Do they wait for a few days and accept the highest offer? That's called an auction.
* Do they take the highest offer, then put it on eBay with a starting bid of the highest offer? That's called a waste of my time.
* Do they keep IMing others to up their offer because they received a higher one? That's called unethical.

Sorry, but none of these scenarios seem acceptable.

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#448409 - Wed Jul 17 2013 01:55 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bppierce]
huskybob Offline
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Registered: Fri Nov 16 2001
Loc: Near Tracy Rock
What good does it do to require a price on all items when a seller can pull this.

http://oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=71502&Number=443299#Post443299

I don't see where this is any better than not pricing an item.

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#448411 - Wed Jul 17 2013 02:35 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
Dave's Garage Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 05 2011
Loc: Abbotsford, British Columbia, ...
Originally Posted By: Cindy B
The details of any particular sale, if there is one, will only be important to the buyer and seller. No one else needs to be upset how any sale took place that made both the buyer and seller happy. Or even if a seller has the time and patience to wait for the best deal knowing what that could be... that should be ok too. It shouldn't be "it's my way or the highway" mentality. How about "to each his own" "different strokes for different folks"... personal preference is personal to the individual and individuality is a good thing. No harm no foul right?


I disagree with the above statements made by you. We refer to ourselves as a community, not individuals. We care about what goes on, on this site as it effects all of us. If you want a private sale between two strangers and want to keep all the details a secret between the buyer and seller...Well, that's what craigslist and ect. are for!

Better to foster a sense of community rather then each man for himself mentality. In order to maintain this sense of community a certain amount of trust, transparency and oversight by all is needed. This instills a sense of loyalty and responsibility, to each other, much like a close knit community or family.

In a loose sense of the word, we are a family, albeit dysfunctional at times. We fight, bicker and even call each other names...but in the end, we stand united and are quick to defend each other and the best interests of the entire community.

Better to think in terms of "we" rather then "I". Most of us, are as much concerned about the hobby as we are about our personal collections.
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#448422 - Wed Jul 17 2013 06:34 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dave's Garage]
bustermonty Offline
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Registered: Fri May 06 2005
Loc: Indianapolis IN USA
I gotta go with Cindy B. To each his own. What works for one might not work for the other. The first ones to screw you over are family and friends, typically not strangers. It's no one's business to know the detail of a sale between 2 individuals on this site or anywhere else. I may be part of this community but I am an individual when it comes to buying and selling. Price or not. Who cares? (obviously a few) Life is too short to worry about such trivial things.

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#448428 - Wed Jul 17 2013 07:43 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bustermonty]
rbonitz Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Thu Jan 10 2013
Loc: Chester County, PA
If I see stuff with "Make Offer" - I just ignore it. Same with ones that require a phone call or don't take PMs or E-Mail. Doesn't bother me - I'm not going to lose any sleep - I'm just not going to buy your stuff. It would be nice if there was something in the title like "Make Offer" so they could be ignored easier but its not a big deal.

I'm really only replying so I can see if my avatar thing works though.

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#448429 - Wed Jul 17 2013 07:57 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: huskybob]
Signs&Neons Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Sun Jul 25 2010
Loc: Midwest
I read the link, it's worse in my book Bob. I don't think that's right no matter you paint it......

I like the clear policies Tom defined from other antique site. No questions there, and easy and quick to moderate if necessary (with clear, concise guidelines this will be minimalized).

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#448432 - Wed Jul 17 2013 08:05 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bustermonty]
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Ive done shows for years and have seen people(my partner included!) try to sell BOTH unpriced items and priced items.
Alot of people WILL NOT take the time to ask how much or even make an offer so NOT pricing your item definately hurts sales.
I proved this theory also by having a friend that was insistant about NOT pricing his BETTER signs price them ALL at the next show! He sold twice as much as the previous show...
Open your OWN store then dont price anything and just take offers...See how far that gets you! Seriously...
If you dont know the value then ask the value section BEFORE you sell it?
When Jim wanted to buy oldgas.com he didnt make an offer, He bought it!
I have bought a couple items thru offers and was even promised the item ONLY to have someone offer a few bucks more and squash MY DEAL!
Just like ebay, if you dont know what you want for an item OR its value? Run it as an auction! If you have an idea? Put a buy it now with accept offers option! Real simple people If your afraid of losing a penny then put FIRM!
All the ones crying about having to price something will still BUY IT if its priced! LOL
At least give it a try...you might actually sell something...

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#448438 - Wed Jul 17 2013 08:38 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: tomzcollectiblez]
bustermonty Offline
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Registered: Fri May 06 2005
Loc: Indianapolis IN USA
Shows and the internet are apples and oranges in comparison in my opinion.
Someone on the net can cast out and fish, if you will, for an offer that's acceptable. Make the offer or move on. Shows are like a retail setting. Everything in the store is priced at a starting point with negotiations forbidden (grocery store) to expected (car dealer). Does it help sell items when they are priced? Sure. Does that mean you have to price it if you don't want to? No. To each his own. Many reasons to price or not price.

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#448442 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:00 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bustermonty]
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Greg, You always price your items since I proved my point to YOU!!! So Put your pom poms away!
Its called the For Sale section for a reason! Not the Make Offer section...
This is the only site I know of that you can sell your items by letting everyone else name the price...No wonder there is so much confusion and discussion on this matter...


Edited by tomzcollectiblez (Wed Jul 17 2013 09:05 AM)
Edit Reason: get boxing gloves out :)

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#448444 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:02 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bustermonty]
Cold Pizza Offline
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Registered: Tue May 17 2005
Loc: Illinois
Saw one vendor at a recent swap meet physically & painstakingly price over 100 items before the meet began,slowly & patiently.
I saw not one interested buyer offer him his posted price,but instead asked if he would take less then what he posted.
I could see the discouragement and astonishment in his eyes as the day wore on.
I walked up to him and asked how was it going,as he confirmed his feelings to me and said,"Why did I waste my time pricing all this stuff?"
His prices were very reasonable in my book,and not overpriced at all.
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#448445 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:04 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bustermonty]
nebrgas Offline
Petro Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Dec 18 2006
Loc: Nebraska
I agree with rbonitz, put a price on your stuff or I will not pursue it. IMO, the "make me an offer" sellers are primarily the pickers who are simply turning their inventory hoping for a quick profit. I cannot be both "buyer" and "seller", so put a price on it!

Dave
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#448446 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:06 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cold Pizza]
bustermonty Offline
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Registered: Fri May 06 2005
Loc: Indianapolis IN USA
Sure, but I don't have to, and neither does anyone else. Quit trying to tell people how to operate. When this becomes rule on this site, follow the rules. Until then, make an offer or move on it's that simple.

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#448448 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:21 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bustermonty]
Cold Pizza Offline
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Registered: Tue May 17 2005
Loc: Illinois
Not sure what you meant by your reply,but I wasn't telling anyone how to operate,just relaying what I encountered.
Everyone has the right to sell as they wish.

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#448452 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:25 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
Jarvis Offline
Veteran Member

Registered: Wed Nov 01 2000
Loc: Evansville, In
Do like i do... you don't like what you see move on, I have! I look at oldgas about twice a week now since last year... i used to post twice a day or more since 1999! I don't post anymore (except this dumb thread)... things are much better because of it!
I said once the fun in the hobby was gone i would quit collecting. It's a hobby for me... this site is not fun for ME anymore hence my lack of posting and looking.
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#448453 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:26 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: nebrgas]
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Another valid point:
The "make offer" items SQUASH the priced items because they are commented on more. So the "make offer" method of selling pushes the priced items to the bottom! Is that fair? Remember when the member kept bumping his items back to the top twice a day and got spanked for it?
I have 75 signs and could list each one with make offer! You wouldnt see anything BUT my stuff! But I have respect for everyone...
Also, people ABUSE the make offer section! Post their sign with make offer, ONLY to place on ebay higher than all their offers!

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#448454 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:28 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dave's Garage]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Originally Posted By: Dave's Garage


I disagree with the above statements made by you. We refer to ourselves as a community, not individuals. We care about what goes on, on this site as it effects all of us. If you want a private sale between two strangers and want to keep all the details a secret between the buyer and seller...Well, that's what craigslist and ect. are for!

Better to foster a sense of community rather then each man for himself mentality. In order to maintain this sense of community a certain amount of trust, transparency and oversight by all is needed. This instills a sense of loyalty and responsibility, to each other, much like a close knit community or family.

In a loose sense of the word, we are a family, albeit dysfunctional at times. We fight, bicker and even call each other names...but in the end, we stand united and are quick to defend each other and the best interests of the entire community.

Better to think in terms of "we" rather then "I". Most of us, are as much concerned about the hobby as we are about our personal collections.


That is a bit of a far stretch to turn individually into an every man for himself mentality really. I don't think you mean to imply this is a community of clones... where everyone is the exact same. It's one thing to be protective of your neighbors in a caring way and keep a watchful eye over things so no one will bring harm to your neighbors. It is another for anyone to attempt to dictate to their neighbors or shun them simply for having a personal preference that is different than their own. That does not demonstrate an united or accepting community.

I looked over the guidelines that Alex posted. They allow sellers (community members) the freedom to choose what they personally are comfortable with. I guess I'm just a spoiled American and Democracy over Dictatorship gets my vote any day. But anyone does have the freedom to shun any member whose selling preference does not meet their personal standards. Although that could be at their loss too by losing the opportunity to take a peek at some cool and/or rare collectables. And even that brings no harm to anyone in your community... no harm no foul!

I will never advance to a Petro Enthusiast... I just don't have that kind of money to invest in things for my personal pleasure. But I do enjoy a good discussion and debate. My opinion here means nothing really. However it would be nice to see some members have the willingness to be a little more opened minded towards the difference of the individuals within this community. Some members are pretty forceful in their complaints about others merely choosing a different approach to selling something. I just don't see why such animosity is necessary over something that's inconsequential to them personally. Better to focus on all the positives and enjoy than zero in on one little thing that they personally perceive as a negative. It's their own perception taking some of the fun out of the community experience... not what anyone else does or doesn't do.

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#448456 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:40 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Oldgas]
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Originally Posted By: Oldgas
Several moderators are currently talking about options on pricing in the For Sale Petro forum. I don't want to run off newbies like Cindy who posted above. But things have changed in the hobby and on this site and we need to address those changes. We appreciate your ideas posted here.

If you are a moderator, send me a PM or email. If you are a member, post your thoughts here.


Require a price! If you dont know what its worth, go to ebay or post as an auction on here. Tired of all the fishing for premium prices. I have been guilty of posting a couple things for sale and saying make an offer, but when I was doing that I was simply trying to imply that this item does not have much value to me, so make an offer and most likely its yours.

I hope all the moderators vote to start requiring a price!
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#448459 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:45 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Cindy B]
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Registered: Thu Nov 08 2012
Loc: Wellington, Ohio
I would guess a third of the listings get sold for "offers" from the would be buyers. I think that's why a lot of the starting prices get lowered as the week goes on.
As the saying goes - " you have to start some where"

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#448460 - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:48 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: BryceG]
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So basically if the rules are changed to require a price then is this what will be happening?

Carter Carbureter Display $2,000 or best offer.



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#448466 - Wed Jul 17 2013 10:10 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
Cindy B Offline
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Registered: Mon Jul 15 2013
Loc: West Chester, PA
Quote:
Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett:
You are getting a Building Permit to convert the garage to living quarters, Right?

Originally Posted By: Cindy B:
No they denied my "offer" lol laugh

Originally Posted By: Dick Bennett:
Building Permits are not open to offers or the penalties for not getting one.
Insurance might be worthless if you ever have a claim.


haha darnit! You didn't appreciate my attempt to insert a little humor to lighten things up a little? That question came out of left field so I just couldn't resist

But you're preaching to the choir there. And I'm sure you can figure out why.

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#448467 - Wed Jul 17 2013 10:11 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: huskybob]
rbonitz Offline
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Registered: Thu Jan 10 2013
Loc: Chester County, PA
[quote=huskybob]So basically if the rules are changed to require a price then is this what will be happening?

Carter Carbureter Display $2,000 or best offer.


PM Sent.

(Just kidding).

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#448471 - Wed Jul 17 2013 10:45 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: huskybob]
tomzcollectiblez Offline
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Originally Posted By: huskybob
So basically if the rules are changed to require a price then is this what will be happening?

Carter Carbureter Display $2,000 or best offer.




YES! This is a perfect example! But will it sell for 2K? probably not...But at least you and a potential buyer have a starting point!

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#448476 - Wed Jul 17 2013 11:05 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: tomzcollectiblez]
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you could try to do something like say $2k obo... but you run the risk of chasing people away

if you truly do not know what something is worth... use google! or use the value section, thats why its there
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#448485 - Wed Jul 17 2013 11:48 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: BryceG]
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Registered: Sun Feb 26 2006
Loc: La Porte, In
Another valid point:
If items were priced, then they sell...There will ALWAYS be record of that sale and at what price and new and old members can search values that way!
We all know how priceless the Matthews+Aumann auction RESULTS page has been!!! The for sale forum and oldgas as a whole can be utilized in the same manner...
I also know alot of guys make a killing off selling signs and DONT CLAIM IT on taxes so they dont want their name in lights, OR documentation of INCOME they made smile But that doesnt justify NOT pricing things so they can stay hidden???

Oldgas.com has provided the worlds best forums for us collectors/beginners to use for FREE!!!
When we graciously use it to sell our items,
The least we could do is leave record for future generations! I mean, isn't that what its really all about???


Edited by tomzcollectiblez (Wed Jul 17 2013 12:08 PM)
Edit Reason: added to it...

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#448488 - Wed Jul 17 2013 11:55 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: bppierce]
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
Originally Posted By: bppierce
If a seller doesn't know the value of an item and therefore posts is as "make an offer", what criteria do they use to know when to accept an offer? I just don't get that.


...BINGO! that's the real issue, isn't it? the person soliciting offers HAS to have a number in their mind that sounds good to them (otherwise they wouldn't be able to accept ANY offer!) - but they won't state that number, in case it's lower than what someone MIGHT be willing to pay...just scared to death eek that they'll leave a dollar on the table...

...can you imagine if you had to go through this rigamarole with EVERY transaction you made? mad

...regarding the seller who priced all of his stuff, only to have to dicker with every potential buyer: most folks add 'wiggle room' to their prices for that very reason...THAT'S why the seller 'bothered to price' everything: it gave, at the very least, a starting point for the conversation...when I'm browsing at a show, sometimes I'll ask if the seller can do a little better; sometimes I just buy the item, if I'm glad to have found it and I think it's a fair price...
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#448492 - Wed Jul 17 2013 12:05 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: gulfiend!]
Ryan Underthun Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 07 2002
Loc: Duluth, MN U.S.A
Originally Posted By: gulfiend!
Originally Posted By: bppierce
If a seller doesn't know the value of an item and therefore posts is as "make an offer", what criteria do they use to know when to accept an offer? I just don't get that.


...BINGO! that's the real issue, isn't it? the person soliciting offers HAS to have a number in their mind that sounds good to them (otherwise they wouldn't be able to accept ANY offer!) - but they won't state that number, in case it's lower than what someone MIGHT be willing to pay...just scared to death eek that they'll leave a dollar on the table...

...can you imagine if you had to go through this rigamarole with EVERY transaction you made? mad

...regarding the seller who priced all of his stuff, only to have to dicker with every potential buyer: most folks add 'wiggle room' to their prices for that very reason...THAT'S why the seller 'bothered to price' everything: it gave, at the very least, a starting point for the conversation...when I'm browsing at a show, sometimes I'll ask if the seller can do a little better; sometimes I just buy the item, if I'm glad to have found it and I think it's a fair price...




You are exactly 100% correct.
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#448493 - Wed Jul 17 2013 12:09 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Ryan Underthun]
Signs&Neons Offline
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Registered: Sun Jul 25 2010
Loc: Midwest
Originally Posted By: Ryan Underthun
Originally Posted By: gulfiend!
Originally Posted By: bppierce
If a seller doesn't know the value of an item and therefore posts is as "make an offer", what criteria do they use to know when to accept an offer? I just don't get that.


...BINGO! that's the real issue, isn't it? the person soliciting offers HAS to have a number in their mind that sounds good to them (otherwise they wouldn't be able to accept ANY offer!) - but they won't state that number, in case it's lower than what someone MIGHT be willing to pay...just scared to death eek that they'll leave a dollar on the table...

...can you imagine if you had to go through this rigamarole with EVERY transaction you made? mad

...regarding the seller who priced all of his stuff, only to have to dicker with every potential buyer: most folks add 'wiggle room' to their prices for that very reason...THAT'S why the seller 'bothered to price' everything: it gave, at the very least, a starting point for the conversation...when I'm browsing at a show, sometimes I'll ask if the seller can do a little better; sometimes I just buy the item, if I'm glad to have found it and I think it's a fair price...




You are exactly 100% correct.


+1 - what they said smile Hit the nail on the head!

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#448678 - Thu Jul 18 2013 05:08 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Signs&Neons]
JimT Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 06 2002
Loc: Cleveland,Ohio U.S.A.
I agree with these last few posts.
I too prefer to have a starting point to work with. When I see an item marked with "make an offer" on Oldgas, I usually just move on. I figure I'll make an offer and they will use my "Bid" for leverage with someone with deeper pockets. I dont mind paying retail for some stuff, if I really want it. But I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth PM "auction" with somebody who is willing to overpay (in my mind) for the said item.
I dont care for a booth at a show where there are no prices on items. I prefer when the dealer takes the time to mark their items.That way you can negotiate, or just move on. Lotsa times when theres no price marked I'll ask and when the dealer comes back with some ridiculous price, there is an awkward moment when you put it down and try to move on to the next booth without offending the person. Sometimes I feel like the dealer sizes you up and throws a number out there if he feels you really want the item. That wastes both of our time. We sell general antiques at a few shows a year and try to have prices on our items. We just mark what we would like to get and what we feel is fair. Then, if someone makes an offer we can decide if its an item we want to get rid of or an item we would like to hold out on for awhile .

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#448696 - Thu Jul 18 2013 08:33 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: JimT]
Wes Maxwell Offline
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Registered: Fri Oct 15 2004
Loc: Central Ohio
I dont think the Old Gas site needs more rules. The ones in place are not followed a lot of the time anyways. As an example, the for sale section guidelines has this "rule";

" Please restrict comments in this forum to those directly related to the buying or selling of the items listed in the topic.

Posts that criticize the condition or price of the item will be deleted."

Yet in this for sale add there are about 10 comments having nothing to do with the sale or a valid offer to buy.

http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=448562

One possible solution would be to make yet another catagory, the "For sale, make an offer" catagory. Or combine it with the vaule wanted section. or to keep the number of catagories somewhat under control, make a Misc. catagory. Put all of the Value wanted and make offer type of post there. That way if people dont like it, they do not have to look at it.

I see no reason to say a person can not take offers on their property they want to sell. While I do not like to buy stuff that way, I for one do not think as a rule a person should not be able to do it.


Edited by Wes Maxwell (Thu Jul 18 2013 08:34 AM)
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#448711 - Thu Jul 18 2013 09:25 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Wes Maxwell]
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Loc: Near Tracy Rock
Originally Posted By: Wes Maxwell
I dont think the Old Gas site needs more rules. The ones in place are not followed a lot of the time anyways. As an example, the for sale section guidelines has this "rule";

" Please restrict comments in this forum to those directly related to the buying or selling of the items listed in the topic.

Posts that criticize the condition or price of the item will be deleted."

Yet in this for sale add there are about 10 comments having nothing to do with the sale or a valid offer to buy.

http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=448562


Geez Wes...... sometimes ya gotta be able to have a little fun. smile Regarding the link to the Pegasus for sale.

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#448724 - Thu Jul 18 2013 10:22 AM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: huskybob]
Oldgas Offline
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Registered: Tue Jul 25 2000
Loc: South of St. Louis, MO USA
The moderators don't have the time or the inclination to clamp down hard on every part of every post that is not strictly within the rules. We expect most members to follow rules for the good of the community. We understand that a little humor is healthy if it doesn't go too far and an examination of authenticity or a tactful dose of reality are sometimes required.
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#448765 - Thu Jul 18 2013 12:04 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Oldgas]
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
I'll take the 5th!

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#448786 - Thu Jul 18 2013 12:49 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
Alex Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 08 2003
Loc: Butte, Montana USA
I will drink a 5th
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#448963 - Thu Jul 18 2013 10:53 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Alex]
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Loc: Peoria, IL
perfect example of the best offer method, and why it shouldnt be allowed:

Best Offer Example Thread

I was the one who offered $150... after receiving the highest offer, the seller just takes it and posts it to fish for higher amounts. If you want an auction style, do an auction style. Or better yet, just go to Ebay. I was real close to just ignoring best offer posts, now I think I will - which is unfortunate cause I would like to think I am a pretty regular buyer on here.
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#448964 - Thu Jul 18 2013 11:01 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: BryceG]
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Bryce, That's $25 More than I would have Offered for ALL of 'm.
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#448967 - Thu Jul 18 2013 11:08 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Dick Bennett]
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Registered: Sun Jan 13 2013
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well despite, or because of this thread, there is a new best offer on the site right now. I will take Bryce's position and not involve myself in those sales.
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#454597 - Sun Aug 11 2013 06:15 PM Re: why dont people just put a price? [Re: Gasman84470]
72Scamp Offline
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Registered: Mon Jun 25 2012
Loc: Mullica Hill, New Jersey
They are still doing it. I ignore those posts. How do I know if I'm interested if I don't know the price? For a dollar I'm interested. For a million bucks I ain't. Somewhere in between I may be.
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