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Was able to help my good friend Geno get this 36" flying A sign for his collection... picked it up Monday, Thanks Geno ;-)

Boy what a great sign, now I am really jealous. Remember what Indiana Jones once said "That belongs in a museum!"

Wow!! Either your posting a stolen sign or one that you got them to sell after I won the auction. I can tell by the stains. I bought it for a $4000 buy it now and before I could pay the seller said it was stolen. I asked for a copy of the police report and never heard anything. Geno has been after mine(this was an upgrade) for years. Hope you and Geno are happy you got the guy to cancel my buy. I'll be giving Geno a call later today you can bet on that.

Greg, this is rediculous! Another oldgas member talking people into selling an item EVEN AFTER THEY ALREADT SOLD IT ON EBAY!
Here is auction Greg's Sign on ebay He won Fair and Square
The seller told greg it was stolen!
You should be ASHAMED of yourself Visaliabob and Geno!!!
Geno, how much did you pay visaliabob to get the sign for you? This is just soooo wrong!
Same thing happened to me Greg on my gulf sign eric grinder ended up with a week later! Sketchy people offering sellers more money ONCE the item ALREADY SOLD!!!
I havent posted in weeks and NOW YOU SEE WHY!
Lurking crooks playing on BOTH sides of the street!

Wow! I couldn't even bring myself to display that sign after something like that! How could you even feel proud to own it??
Someone needs to think this over as to what they have done here.

alright guys before this gets outa control, here is what happened..

I noticed the sign on ebay a day after the auction ended, I called Geno to find out if he bought it and he said no, so he emailed the seller and asked if the buyer backed out he would be interested in buying it, later that day Geno called me and asked if I would pick it up for him as he was informed that the buyer had backed out...

you guys really think I would post this buy of the week on here if I felt that something was done wrong..

The seller of this item on ebay obviously has no integrity and deserves negative feedback,, his ebay name is 629liz he says he lives in Fresno and I went to Hanford to pick it up for Geno

Here is what seller said to me. I'm reporting him to ebay. On hold now. Will talk to Geno later. I have his # in my phone.

Dear bustermonty,

The sign was stolen from the front of my house unfortunately. I had it hanging next to my garage door and someone climbed up on a ladder and took the thing! The sign has been a staple of my collection and I was ready to pass it on and sadly some low life decided to steal it. I filed a police report and hopefully something turns up. Sorry that I had to back out on the deal if the sign is recovered then I will honor our transaction and sell you the sign

...sounds like a great opportunity for Geno to be a stand-up guy, and sell the sign to Greg...

Sounds to me like the ebay seller is at fault unless Geno paid more than $4K for the sign. Then bad on both of them. According to the info presented, I myself do not see where Visilbob did anything wrong.

Yup.

Yep, but for what price? the pos seller has his money... which has to be more than the original sale of $4k. So does Geno sell the sign to Greg for the price he paid, or for the price that Greg legitimately won the item for?

very interesting scenario this whole thing is.

I personally handed the person $4k for the sign and Geno paid me my $4k back..

& the Drama continues:
Auction ended Saturday the 24th with a buy it now & you were there Monday the 26th to pick up the sign. Sounds like a quick interception of Greg's sign. You outta give yourself a pat on the back, a true friend of Gino's.
Do you seriously believe anybody is buying your story?
I was born at night but not last night!

...sounds like it would be easy enough to untangle this: all Geno needs to do is sell Greg the sign for $4K, and everyone's even...Greg gets the sign he should have in the first place, the eBay seller would get his negative feedback, and hopefully loss of his eBay privileges...heck, maybe Geno could even get the sign he's been trying to get from Greg for years, since it's an upgrade...

Talked with Gene, ball is in his court. He had no idea seller lied to him and said I backed out. I asked him to consider the situation and left it at that. I should ad that in all my conversations with Gene he has been an honest credible individual. At least if he does nothing I know he got the sign he's been searching for. I know it means a lot to him due to a personal family tragedy and I can live with that. It's the seller who I'm really ***** at and explained it all to ebay. Probably a wrist slap offense in their eyes. And Bob cruising sold listing trying to change outcomes is not a very good practice. I hope that's not an indication of where things are going. I think this really crosses the line. To take something from someone who has legitimately one.

I would think that would be obvious!

Wow I do a favor for a friend and look at all the drama and someone calling me a *****, been in this business WAY TOO LONG to operate in the manner in which you are suggesting.. It was only 20 minutes from my house and nothing was done wrong, starting to think that this site is way to much of a sewing circle for me, I dont know about the rest of you but you probably should be thinking about the seller who lied, said they filled a police report and then sold it for the same exact price that was listed for the buy it now when they said the buyer backed out.. I'm thinking the seller did it so he did not have to pay the 10% to ebay and the 3% to paypal... he saved over $400 in fees

For those that have done business with me know that I am a stand up guy and operate in a honest reputable way and will continue to do so.. If you choose not to do business with me over this it will be your loss as I have done nothing wrong..

This is the last I am going to comment on this subject

The seller saved $500 here. I think that you are in the clear Bob. As greg said, the ball is in Geno's court.

Well it's a complicated world we live in. I take Geno for his word. He sold a tremendous amount of items (a 30" Hancock curb sign among them, said it was going to PA now on a resell) almost $7000 worth(his cost) for the quick 4k to buy the Flying A. That is how much this sign means to him. It's a long story but let's say I'm happy he got the sign. It was better than the one he'd been trying to get from me. For what it's worth, it would have been an upgrade for me to look at (another sign on the wall) For Gene it has a far deeper, more personal meaning.

PS. Let Bob off the hook he did nothing wrong

Seems like the seller could be in big trouble if he did in fact file a police report. Last I knew filing a false report was definitely against the law and would not be too difficult to prove in this case.

Nice pick, great sign Visaliabob.

It's not the purchaser nor the pick up person,it's the dishonest people that do things like this on EBAY and many othere areas in our society.Honesty and integrity are going by the way side.Greed and dishonesty are rampant.A mans word used to be good enouth.Not now.Even written agreement's are suspect nowdays.Sadly this is the state of America.Too many trying to beat the system in so many ways.Thank goodness there are still many many people whom you can trust and are honest.Sad story , but anyone whom has dealt with EBAY buying or selling long enough you will eventually run across a crook or two!Just ask me.

It seems like there's three victims here, one crook. Greg I applaud your attitude re: the disposition of the sign. Geno is a very good person and has a deeply personal reason for looking for this sign, he did nothing wrong unless you count believing someone's lie. Those that passed judgement on anyone but the ebay seller owe an apology.

Wow, I was away this morning and missed out on commenting on this.

All, I can add to this is that I feel your pain Greg. I also admire the mature position that you have taken. You are probably exercising more restraint and control then I would be able to under similar circumstances.

I agree that Tom hasn't done anything wrong.

Geno needs to do some soul searching and then do the right thing.

I have always had difficulty with people trying to get sellers to end auctions early or muddy the waters by contacting sellers after an auction has ended. In my books both are slimy and underhanded actions. For me it's simple...If you are not a part of the sale then you have no business contacting the seller.

In general our hobby has been invaded and overrun by persons of lesser moral fiber because they are in this for money. Reality TV has brought these morons to our door step. Greed is a terrible motivator and most of these individuals are cursed by the absence of a conscience. They don't care about reputations as they are in this for a short time and a quick buck. They have no vested interest other than MONEY, they don't care about the stuff, the hobby, or the people in it.

For me, when money becomes more important then this stuff or integrity becomes a commodity people are willing to sell...that takes the fun out of this. I buy stuff because I like, I buy an item because I want the pleasure of owning and the enjoyment of displaying it. I don't care if I paid more then what it's worth. To me it's priceless. It is disheartening when on a weekly basis we are made aware of incidents like this. I am also bothered when people buy an item and the first thing they want to know is the value. In my opinion those people are in the wrong hobby for all the wrong reasons.

All good. Case closed. Sign is where it belongs. Bob and Gene did nothing wrong. Guy took the easy, local money and saved the fees. Mods should lock this up no need to keep going.