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#48211 Fri Jun 29 2007 02:56 PM
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Original Signal back is on left, Repop is on the right and clearly marked "Ande Rooney."


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#48212 Fri Jun 29 2007 03:46 PM
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Frank,
Note that you have described only one repop Signal sign. These signs have been manufactured by several companies with differing characteristics. Check out the attached photos of another repop Signal sign, 11 3/4" diameter, red band on the edge and gray back. The common traits for all Signal repops is no white band on the edge and the mounting holes are closer to the edge than the genuine signs.






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Pablo,i had not seen that one,thanks.Not a bad looking $20.00 sign!


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Its interested to read discussions about reproductions and not see more people questioning the legitimacy of the fonts as a telltale sign that signs may not be original.

If you look closely at hawkike's post which has an image of two Signal signs, note how the fonts appear similar, but are not exact.

For example, focus on the "A" in gasoline. Note how the sign on the left has crisp edge corners, but the sign on the right has slightly rounded corners. Now look at the triangle inside the "A": note how they are of different sizes.


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Older REPO's will no longer be a Problem.
BUT.
With the Technology of today, REPRODUCTIONS will need a Chemist to determine the authenticity, even when comparing the a REAL item to a New item.

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Chadhas..........
the font is a tell tale way of telling the difference between repo & original however there were different sign companys, different fonts, colors , size, etc. etc. there are many other ways to tell the difference & the colors are a big indicator.....each sign has its own indicators & its all difficult to remember unless you have this type of forum ........compare photos with expert commentary....we do not have this privelage when we are at a swap meet, garage sale, collectors house, when pulling the trigger means getting a good deal & not pulling the trigger means not getting your prize or treasure,,,,,,this seperates the men from the boys It would take an encyclopedia to document all the differences between original & repos of all the diffrent signs , pumps, globes,cans, paper , glass, porcelain, font style, colors, size, etc. etc. etc.
.....................another way to tell the difference between repo & originall would be to invest in a spectrometer & analysis

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I had the opportunity to speak at length with the historian for ConocoPhilips about this very topic.

He told me that many petroleum companies used the same sign manufacturers to reproduce their advertising. But national companies often worked with multiple advertising and sign companies in various different geographical territories. During the 20' and 30's in particular, this left inconsistencies in an artist’s interpretation of a brand.

Although this was a common occurrence, he added that most companies provided the same kind of oversight about how they protected the integrity of their brands "back in the day" as they do today. In other words, they would not let "out of the ordinary" products reach the market.

But that is not the question that I am posing here.

What clearly stands out on some reproductions is their use of modern day fonts. It’s clear that the person reproducing the art has chosen to take a short cut: rather than trace an exact replica from an original, an existing font that is similar looking in appearance is chosen instead.

It is the only possible reason to explain how a font that dates from the ‘80’s could possibly end up on a globe/sign from the 50’s/60’s.

After all, their rationale likely is that if only a discriminating buyer would know the difference, that person is not the target market for these goods anyway, but rather the unsuspecting.

There is nothing wrong with this method of reproduction provided the buyer is made aware.

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