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#488476 Wed Oct 30 2013 04:39 AM
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The first picture is the Mathews auction where this sign sells for a nice fair market price of $450. The second pic is Redhots Ebay sucker fishing listing with the price jacked up 4 times! Oh! But he's a businessman with a degree so I guess that justifies him trying to rip people off. If you go to the links you will see without doubt this is the same sign. The least he could have done is put his sister in the picture!

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https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.a...gn-15x23-Inches

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sunoco-...utorefresh=true

I know this post is a waste of both my time and those who will read it. It just ticks me off.

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Looks very similar to the one that Bagged61 sold me a few months back at $425.

Oh well - it is pretty easy to vote with your wallet and just ignore these sales.

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He's selling an Opaline sign for something like $1800...I sold the same one for $400...his prices are so disgustingly high that no one even wants to make an offer.

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the unfortunate thing is he actually sells about 10 or so items a week... with that kind of price mark-up, its no wonder he keeps doing it!

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I don't quite get it here? Why are you guys upset because he's asking too much for his possesions?
It happens every day and when people ask too much, they generally don't make sales, but I sure can't term it "ripping people off".
Its his property and he can ask whatever he wants for it. There is certainly no label on him that makes his prices the "benchmark" for the whole collectibles industry?
He and others that mark their stuff too high are a bit of an irritant, in that other uneducated sellers tend to follow suit and price their own treasures accordingly! I can't recall how many times I have asked on the phone as to what someone wanted for a particular item and been told that they know what its worth because they saw one priced that high on ebay, or saw one on their favorite TV show "American Pickers"!
Now, this practice might be irritable, but its certainly not "RIPPING PEOPLE OFF". JM2C


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K W FRITH #488499 Wed Oct 30 2013 06:28 AM
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Kevin, i agree... I term it as unfortunate or, like you said, irritating. my main issue with it is that I can understand someone having something priced at $600 thats worth $400, however if redhot has something worth $400, then he will price it at $1400.

and because he has so much inventory that he is doing this with, it eventually trickles down to someone local using it as a benchmark. Which does end up affecting me.


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...these people bring 'nothing to the table' for the hobby...


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Kevin, I agree with you. He has the right to ask whatever he wants for his stuff. As does anyone. I was just as you said, irritated when I saw this this morning and probably vented a little. But on the other hand, I can see people who are new to the hobby seeing this add and maybe paying $1200 or $1500 for this sign not knowing that they are paying a price that is grossly over the actual market value of the piece. Caveat emptor I guess! But Redhot would sell it to them well knowing that they are paying a price much higher than market. I think he's a smart enough guy to know that no experienced person in the hobby is going to pay 18 or even 1500 for this sign. He is hoping someone who doesn't know any better will come along. What other explanation can there be for his price points? There just seems to be no conscience to such practice and to me there is something wrong with that. I don't like seeing it. Does he come down from his asking price. Sure. But how much. 10%? 25%? It's still appears as preying on someone to me. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm the fool. Maybe I should have just let it go and not even posted it. Maybe I'm to nice cuz I couldn't allow someone to pay me double or triple what I well know a piece should sell for.
I'm sorry, but I just see it as taking advantage of someone. Feeding off their inexperience. It's just not in my repertoire.

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Kevin I agree with you 100%. If someone is trying to sell fakes as originals or somehow scamming people that's one thing. But getting ***** off just because a guy is pricing things higher than you think they should be is really looking for a reason to get upset in my opinion. It's really none of my business what you pay for an item and why would I waste my time tracking and comparing auctions and previous sales of items just to find that out!?! Spend that time researching items that are on the market, priced right, and offer an opportunity for you to make a big profit selling it for what you think is a "fair" price. We have seen signs selling for stupid money for the last two or three years everywhere, so what is "overpriced"? Just last week I bought an item that was priced almost $1000 over what I thought it was worth because I offered $1000 less than the guy was asking. He had been trying to sell it for two months priced the way it was with no takers. The market usually dictates value and if you use some business savvy to find the right buys it all works out. I have never felt sorry for someone that grossly overpays for anything. They are the ones who are always complaining about being broke! To quote the famous realist Ron White...."you can't fix stupid" ..... There, now I am a official member of the Stupid Post and Reply Club here on Oldgas.....GB.

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The good thing is that buyers have a lot of resources out there including people in the hobby. Inventory does cost money, but the markup is a bit excessive.

I will admit that I have thrown out some prices on some of my stuff that is off this planet, as others have, but that is because I don't want to sell it. If someone wants it that bad they will have to swing for the fences and give me something that will make me lose my interest.

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I'm certainly not condoning his practice with my comments and don't really agree with his methods, but its a free country and he's got a right to ask whatever he wants for his merchandise.
I agree with Gulfiend that he brings nothing to the table as far as this hobby is concerned, and since this hobby is the focus of his attempted sales, its a direct irritant to all of us.
Like it or not, he still has the right to do it, and our only recourse is constant education of those around us through this forum and any other means at our disposal.


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At Wally World,They buy stuff for pennies and sell for big dollars...Its sad when they make 10,000% markup....But thats business..Look at petro prices a decade ago and now..Supply and demand..Theres always going to be uneducated consumers anywhere. And I agree FAKES sold as originals by people who do this knowing its fake, is the ones we need to team up and GO after. Ok I am off the soapbox lol


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The guys, that really irritate me are the critical couch potatoes; that label everything around them as being overpriced and common. Low and behold, then they find a piece of s. item in poor condition and it's blasted all over this forum as the great find of the century. Then, they list their junk at over inflated prices. Some of these people need to scrutinize themselves before finding fault with everything owned by others.

If you can't afford to buy and sell items worth more than $50.00. Try, not to hate those that can. They have the same rights that you have when you are trying to peddle your junk.

Remember,if you really want to do something about all the overpriced stuff; No one is stopping you from being Robin Hood and buying items and selling them to others at reasonable prices. Yes, you too, can make a difference!

Send, me a PM and I'll tell you how I really feel about a certain member participating in this thread.


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Jeeez

Who cares


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Originally Posted By: DCpate
Jeeez

Who cares


LOL... not me...


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me either.. cool


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Bringing this out in the open is the same as giving him Free exposure. He will get 1 sale out of this thread, not a B****'G, posting member, but by someone reading it. May not be the item discussed, but something he has in his listing.
Best to not even bring it up.

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It should make all of us angry because it ruins the hobby..as do fakes which I can't stand..but when I go on ebay and see a common sign such as a fire chief pump plate for example, and the buy it now is $450 it makes me sick..the seller often has no idea what signs are worth so they ask double and when you throw them a reasonable offer at retail, they think you're screwing them over.

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Couldn't agree more.
You guys don't get understand his selling tactics.
He knows full well his outrageous asking prices,but realizes this website & the hobby in general laughs,scoffs & despises him,so he is playing on that.
He's literally hoping someone from here or elsewhere will post something about him or a link to one of his items each week.

He then takes their best offer.
Look at his completed auction..that's how he's selling stuff and taking advantage of this & other sites.

Good or bad,he's getting noticed.
Stop giving him any mention & wasting Oldgas bandwidth.


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Didn't he get drummed out of this segment of the hobby already?
Isn't he old news here?
I particularly like our free society where one is free to overcharge or to overpay.
Although not exactly apples to apples, auctions (Matthews, Daniels, Barret-Jackson, etc.) have a far greater effect on prices and perceptions than one piddling ebay seller. I don't follow them nor watch them on TV nor do I any longer look at this and many other sellers' ebay auctions as that is the only way I can effectively combat their effects upon my attitude about their effects upon the marketplace.
I don't ***** and moan, I do as DB advised; I hit the ignore button.


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A Few members here are trying to learn Overnite, what we learned over the Years, asking about every item they run across. Stick w/ just a couple of companies 1st, then branch out as THEIR KNOWLEDGE expands.

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How about the ones that show up overnight and by morning think they are ready to hold class?


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Hi I really Enjoy this site I joined it because I Enjoy reading everyone stories, bow, old pics etc But it seems lately all the posts are people complaining about other people and what they want for items has gotten out of control. I collect because I enjoy it. If you don't enjoy this hobby and it raises your blood pressure Maybe its time for a new hobby Just my 2 cents

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Careful Kash - somone will complain about you complaining about them complaining.

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Originally Posted By: rbonitz
Careful Kash - somone will complain about you complaining about them complaining.


See, now that is funny right there!! Laughter was 50% of the reason I posted this at all. $450 to $1800 is pretty damn funny on the surface. But yah, the other 50% was just a basic disgust with seeing someone trying to gouge the uninformed. But I did find it a little funny to see the price markup right in front of my face.
But DB is right, I shouldn't have even given it the time of day. So I apologize to those who took offense with this post and I share a laugh with those who find this seller's tactics a bit goofy to say the least.

Have a blessed evening and GO OLDGAS!!!!! (insert fist raised, head banging smiley here)

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I do belive he can buy and sell whatever petro item he wants and no one, and I mean no one, can tell him any differently. He may sell 1 thing or nothing. Up to te "buyer" entirely. If he's still at it, it must work at least some of the time. If it wasn't for people buying: he would not sell....sorry no one accepts that....This really is cut and dry, and people are sounding very jelous here now. If you dont want to trade a $20 dollar bill for a $10 dollar bill then don't.

I guess all you/us can do is not buy it or *****. This thread is for information, not somones saying, I cant afford that..thats a crazy price, I didnt sell mine for that much, so he should not either. I cant understnad that he wants that price. Well guess what he does and sometimes can.....accept it.

He has had more exposure for sales than he already deserves. Stop being fuel.

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See this is why , I like old gas , where else can you go and have this much fun !


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supply and demand people get over it...they prob have $600 + into it with fees and shipping and they will prob sell it for 1k-1200 and make a buck or two after fees on the other end.


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But if a wholesaler buyes an electonic piece for resale and then charges a huge mark up, they call that capitalism. It is a problem I agree with people here on what originally was called out, but what about all the middle men that mark stuff up 100-400% for our everyday use?
It is bother some in each instance, but again we have the choice to either go somewhere else or buy another item.


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I deleted the last post as it was completely off topic and was very confrontational. If anyone has issues with another member, please use the PM function for contact.
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Let him do his thing....eventually he will learn and that will be one expensive learning experience.


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