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#496896 Fri Dec 06 2013 05:49 PM
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This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find it anywhere. Does touching up porcelain devalue it?


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no, can always be removed.. cool


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Personally I would not care ether way but if the person is trying to be misleading with it it makes the seller seem a little shady in my view.

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I think if the colors don't match and the job is impossible to ignore, then it devalues it to me more than the holes, pecks, etc.


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I never touched a sign that been touched up.. You don't know what's going on underneath the touch up, you can damage the sign further removing it.

It might be different buying in person, but off of ebay etc... not me.

Follow some auctions where there's touch up involve and judge for yourself....

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IF you hadn't been Touched Doug, you'd still be single! laugh

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I dont think it matters at all, Its what you want and if your selling it the person who is buying it will look for those areas and paint come's off of porcelain very easily and WILL NOT hurt the sign

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I think we have to be careful. Sometimes touchups aren't so obvious. I have a freind who works for an auction co. He does great work on sign repair wouldn't be obvious to except to an untrained eye. He's on par with the Van Kannels.
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Touchups to porcelain restore value to a piece. The issue isn't the touchup but the representation of the seller of a repaired piece. Since I deal in more than signage I have discussed this issue in depth with collectors and sellers alike.

First, let me say that touchups in general when done well do restore value regardless of what some collectors want to deny. Ask Christies auction house or any serious auction house, when they let their bidders know the issues and repairs they get better results.

Second, there are always going to be individuals who don't want a repaired/restored piece; but conversely there are many people who don't let restoration stop them from owning a piece they desire. And from a sellers point of view these people will tell you to find them a better piece so it increases your business with them.

Third, the quality of the restoration greatly affects the value. Poorly done restorations are a waste of time if the purpose is to create value, they don't and often can detract from a sign. Overly done restorations to "better than new" do restore value, but they limit the potential customers and thus potential value. Sympathetic restorations and well executed ones restore the most value and are appreciated by the best collectors.

Fourth, buyer beware on any "mint" piece, if you are dealing with an unknown seller always inspect a piece, including a blacklight and magnet(in the case of metal pieces) which will most often help you find damage. I find that many collectors are willing to buy repaired pieces as long as they are represented as such. A good seller should represent a repair upfront, and if you as the buyer do spot a repair point it out to the seller if they don't do so when describing a piece.

Fifth and finally, establishing the value of a repaired piece is like establishing the value of anything being sold between buyer and seller. A price is quoted and it's the buyers decision whether the price is fair to them. One person may value a repair ed piece very low, while others appreciate the overall effect the repair has on a piece and are willing to pay more. For the rarest of pieces restoration may have been the only option and is of little consequence to the specific collector. Again, establishing the value is between a buyer and seller.




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Thanks for that review Paul!
I get the utility of a magnet to discern metal (iron containing) from non-metal (like Bondo) but how is a blacklight useful to discover repairs/restorations? Does it better show variations in topography??
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The thread/question is about "Touch Ups" not Restoration. There's a huge difference.

Oh yeah paint comes off real easily ??? I guess with children's water colors. Good luck getting paint out of all the pits etc... having more porcelain damage ? Just my thoughts I'll bet non professionals 75% of the time don't even come close to matching the color. I'm a firm believer in leaving signs alone, unless you do go and get a professional job done.

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Dave, a blacklight tends to react differently to old versus new surface paints and can show areas of repairs.


FYI Blacktree... on porcelain you can remove paints using muriatic acid.

Touchups or restoration, a well done job is better than one not so well, and again it's between the buyer and seller whether it effects the value.




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I have bought and sold signs at shows for years!
Touch ups severely hurt a signs value! I wont buy touched up signs UNLESS I know I can remove the touch up during cleaning.
I also know that a high percentage of my buyers dont want touched up signs...
I have also seen touched up signs bring BIG money after being done CORRECTLY and advertised as such! But generally the touched up sign once restored ONLY brings 1/2 to 3/4 of the value of a mint one...Just my opinion!

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But generally the touched up sign once restored ONLY brings 1/2 to 3/4 of the value of a mint one...

With a lot of signs the difference between "mint" and rough is huge. If you could take a sign that was only worth a fraction of a mint version and restore it to 3/4 that value I would think that would be a worthwhile process in a lot of cases. To me "mint" means like new, no blemishes, as it would have been the day it was made. What you usually see an item described as is "near mint" and that can mean any number of things depending on the beholder. The question has to be whether the properly touched up piece is worth any more (or less) than it would be if left alone. If that value is relatively the same or higher then what's the harm or difference if everyone is aware of it. I would rather look at a sign from five feet away that looks like new ( even if it has been touched up) than a beat up barn hanger that has "character" ......BUT THAT'S JUST ME....GB

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I think it all has to be looked at on a case by case analysis. just how far gone can it be before resto/repair hurts the value? here's one I did a while back. it was a pretty well worn sign to say the least before I did anything to it.



only restored one side, so no deception if I ever decide to part with it.



so tell me, in your opinions, did it lose or increase value? I'm happy, as I ended up with a very presentable sign to hang in my shop for very little money. I also have a D-X motor oil sign I plan on doing the same with. I know this is an extreme case & also have a few untouched signs with a few freckles that i'll leave alone.

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