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Pan Am Globe #498124
Thu Dec 12 2013 08:38 AM
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
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Pan Am Globe. I have never seen this one before. I bought this (single) at Columbus 2012. Is this a rare bird? All of my other Pan Am Globes with the burst in the center are all 15 inch dia. This is 13.5 inch with a indented notch a 12 o'clock. 15 inch lenses have the same notch at 6 o'clock. I was told that it was from the Pan Am Sunset Palace Hotel...Where? Is this a canopy globe since the notch is at 12 o'clock? Did they make a 13.5 inch metal body, because I have never seen a original one. The globe body is a fantasy metal body from Vic's.

pan am.JPG
Last edited by texaspelican; Thu Dec 12 2013 08:43 AM.

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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: texaspelican] #498127
Thu Dec 12 2013 08:52 AM
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Hey paddy doesn't the notch at 12 mean it would have been on a banded body at some point


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: s932] #498128
Thu Dec 12 2013 09:08 AM
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
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your right Shawn. I keep thinking metal body because all of my other Pan AM globes are in metal...Having a senior moment.. Now the question is why 13.5? Period of this design when all others were 15 inch.


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: texaspelican] #498137
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I have helped all I can now. If I even made an attempt of why I'm sure I would be wrong. Hey you coming to Columbia this year?


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: s932] #498141
Thu Dec 12 2013 10:01 AM
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...I have seen this before - but I couldn't tell you where or when...maybe an auction catalog?


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: gulfiend!] #498144
Thu Dec 12 2013 10:19 AM
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Paddy, Doesn't the banded bodies date back to the era of some metals? Banded and hulls date to about same time meaning it could be used on the pan-am.
Now to why... who knows! LOL


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: Jarvis] #498166
Thu Dec 12 2013 12:59 PM
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A friend of mine pulled some 13.5 Pan-Am burst lenses out of an old Pan-Am bulk plant down here (along with the regular 15's I believe). Never could figure them out.

Also-is that the same one pictured in the globe cd?

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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: TheGriffin] #498210
Thu Dec 12 2013 03:44 PM
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
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Never got the CD. Anyone know anything about Sunset Palace?


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: texaspelican] #498218
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Wasn't the "Sunset Palace"; just outside of the Main Gate of Polk? It opened for business just as the sun went down...

You know the place, Paddy...

Where the Troops went for some R&R during AIT weekends... grin whistle blush


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: Bob Richards] #498219
Thu Dec 12 2013 04:24 PM
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
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That place (bar) was called Tinkers Dam and that was where you got your butt whipped Bob.

Now can anyone tell me about the Sunset Palace?


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: texaspelican] #498247
Thu Dec 12 2013 06:44 PM
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From Scott's cd

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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: texaspelican] #498281
Thu Dec 12 2013 09:02 PM
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7 miles from Texas in Louisian...
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Thanks Dave and also to TheGriffin that messaged me with the same info. Guess I need the CD and toss my old globe books in the truck.


Paddy
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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: texaspelican] #498630
Sat Dec 14 2013 08:35 PM
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I saw this posting while at work on Thursday and meant to post then but I am really not suppose to surf let alone log into a website. I will first say that I am not a globe expert but I find it very hard to believe this came from New England area as Pan Am was only in the south. Even my reading of the first edition of the Gas Pump Globes book seems to indicate it was a southern based name versus Amoco which was used up north. If it was used there they still must have been pumping Amoco gas since they were affiliates. smile

I will say it is a way cool globe.

John

Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: Fueluser] #498771
Sun Dec 15 2013 04:45 PM
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PAN AM did have branded stations in NYS prior to WWII, probably late 20s-early 30s era.


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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: MetroPetro] #498816
Sun Dec 15 2013 06:59 PM
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They produced maps for the area, also.

Pan-AmNew York1929.jpgpANaMnEWeNGLAND.JPG

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Re: Pan Am Globe [Re: Dave Richey] #498844
Sun Dec 15 2013 08:57 PM
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Well I'll be. As people say you can learn something new everyday. Thanks for the information. John

More talk about the Pan-Am globe Road Maps as proo #499343
Tue Dec 17 2013 06:16 PM
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Hi. Yes I am slow to react to certain situations so I want to flush this out a little more. As you may know in the Showcase and Stories section there was a discussion on the Pan-Am globe.

http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=498124&page=1

I posted that I found it difficult to believe that the globe originated in New England as Pan-Am is a southern brand (or so I thought). MetroPetro said they did and as proof Dave Richey posted pictures of Pan-Am road map from New York State. At first blush I accepted this. However chewing on this a couple of days I still am not convinced. Having 1400 maps myself (but I must admit, no Pan-Am ones) I looked at my Amoco maps. My 20's Amoco map offered no information but my 40's map included this map of the US and what I take to be its distribution territories. So lets talk about this more.



I can see if I were living someplace (for this example areas serviced by Pan-Am) and submitted a trip request card (to the Pan American Petroleum Corporation) for maps up into New England area,PERHAPS I would be provide Pan-Am maps and not Amoco maps. Could this not be the case here? Just because a company offered maps for a particular state does that necessarily mean they marketed there? I am not so sure so lets discuss this. Thanks for reading my ramblings. John

Re: More talk about the Pan-Am globe Road Maps as proo [Re: Fueluser] #499351
Tue Dec 17 2013 06:48 PM
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At one time, Pan Am was one of the largest oil companies in the US, with marketing not only in the south (originally as Panamco during 1923 and 1924, then Pan Am from the fall of 1924 forward), but also through a subsidiary "Mexican Petroleum" using the Pan Am name in New York and New England, and using the Pan Gas brand in California. The company was purchased by Standard of Indiana in 1925 and pieces started to go different directions. First off, the California operation was sold off to Richfield in the late 1920s. Then Standard began expanding Pan Am's subsidiary American Oil, in which they purchased had minority interest in 1923. In 1933 Standard realigned the brands and Pan-Am surrendered their Mexican Petroleum subsidiary in New England, New York and northern New Jersey to American Oil, and Pan-Am marketing in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida was also converted to American Oil. They advertised versions of "Make it Amoco from Maine to Florida" in the early years after the realignment. Pan-Am was relegated to Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, adding Arkansas (1947, purchased Root Refining) and Kentucky (early 1950s). In 1958 the Pan Am name was phased out in those, by now, six states, in favor or Amoco but using a torch and oval logo, not the red oval used on the east coast. Then, in December 1960 is was announced the all of the Amoco brand would be replaced with American. This happened in the summer of 1961. In 1971 the began phasing Amoco back in, and Amoco was reintroduced to replace American completely in 1974.

Wayne Henderson
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Re: More talk about the Pan-Am globe Road Maps as proo [Re: Carolinatraveler] #499358
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Great intelligent discussion Wayne and John. All interesting and mostly new to me being far away but still worth the read. I have a Pan Am sign here-just liked the look and size. Now I have the background info.
Fred

Re: More talk about the Pan-Am globe Road Maps as proo [Re: Gasman84470] #499362
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Wayne, great information. Thank you. John

Re: More talk about the Pan-Am globe Road Maps as proo [Re: Fueluser] #508376
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Just found this.

$_57.JPG

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Re: More talk about the Pan-Am globe Road Maps as proo [Re: Dave Richey] #508394
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Looking for photos, etc from 60s era Shell-A-Rama gas station and Pal's Diner, Rt. 17 Mahwah, NJ
& US or state highway signs, shields, route markers
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